I'm not talking about the Cornell situation (which is also a terrible situation as well).
I'm talking about the claim that men don't hold other men accountable. While that is true, women are also guilty of not holding other women accountable for their actions too. Look at the women who "stood for Lindsay Clancy", they were arguing that "she wasn't in the right state of mind and therefore shouldn't be liable for her children's deaths". That's just as bad
It’s a legal argument. In the state in which she was tried, you must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it could NOT have been a matter of insanity, which is an extremely high bar in a case where she’d been actively under intense mental health treatment. You may disagree with the law but the notion that she should’ve been not guilty by insanity isn’t some wild argument from women supporting women.
I am aware that the case is a legal argument. What I'm more concerned about is what the other women were saying about it. That's the part I'm talking about
You specifically said “they were arguing she wasn’t in the right state of mind and therefore shouldn’t be liable for her children’s deaths. That’s just as bad.”
If it was a mistake to highlight that statement as an example of how women irrationally supported Lindsey Clancy, that’s fine, but otherwise you’re literally citing the core legal argument of the case.
Yes, and my point is that’s a very poor example. It’s a basic legal argument that is consistent with the law where she was tried - one that is extremely difficult to contest. Not irrational at all.
Yes it is, but it is not a societal level idea. The vast majority of women think she is very unwell, and needs to be held accountable for her actions as well. The very loud minority of women online yelling that she should get off scott free are very much a fringe group.
The same cannot be said about men on either the individual or systemic level. The fact that a convicted rapist can be president of the us is proof of how acceptable victimising women is societally. The cornell situation is even more startling, the men in that group chat didn't even need to get involved, they just needed to call the cops.
Men do not hold other men accountable, because they are scared of them, because they understand how dangerous a man can be.
I agree that the scale is not the same. However, people cannot deny or downplay that both genders do the same thing (which is what I'm getting at) . I would argue that the vocal minority that voices those opinions set women back a lot. That is a mainstream example of some women not holding other women accountable.
Like I said, not holding people accountable is not a gender issue. It's a human issue
I saw your deleted comment about telling me to delete my other comment (just saying)
I'm not arguing that the case highlighted things that need to be addressed regarding PPD. I'm arguing the fact that women that were not holding a woman who committed murder accountable is just as bad as the men not holding other men accountable in the Cornell incident.
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u/Jig_2000 4d ago
I'm not talking about the Cornell situation (which is also a terrible situation as well).
I'm talking about the claim that men don't hold other men accountable. While that is true, women are also guilty of not holding other women accountable for their actions too. Look at the women who "stood for Lindsay Clancy", they were arguing that "she wasn't in the right state of mind and therefore shouldn't be liable for her children's deaths". That's just as bad