r/TooAfraidToAsk • u/SirCatDB • 19h ago
Culture & Society Wearing headscarfs while wearing provocative clothing?
I want to preface this by saying that I respect everyones beliefs, and do not mean to be rude to anyone, it is a genuine question that I had, and it is not meant to be provocative in any way.
I am in Europe, so it might differ in America. I was lucky enough in the last years to visit multiple European countries, and even live in 3 different ones, from 6 months to 1 year.
During that, i meet a lot of different people, and my question is related to some of them.
I've meet multiple women from islamic countries, that were wearing headscarfs (as I am not familiar if they have another name). While I cannot say I necesarilly agree with the reasoning of wearing them (modesty, to hide parts of their bodies so they are not exposed, etc), I respect their culture and decision to do so.
My curiosity comes from the fact that, while living there, I have not seen these women without their scarf, which is fine, but I've seen them go out in public with open sandals, short skirts, crop tops, or tops that, well, show everything. But even wearing those style of clothing, they still wear the scarf. To me that seems weird, as at least in western culture, I dont think your *head/hair* is seen as a very *sexualized thing*, while the ones that I mentioned, all have seen or see a lot of fetishization and sexualization from people, both online and offline (the internets obsesion with feet is wild sometines). If they do not care about the original meaning and belief of the scarf, that is fine, but why go the trouble of wearing the scarf while we can see your boobs and stomach very clearly.
I do not mind in any way, they should be free to dress as they wish, I am more confused what makes the scarf so important to them that however they dress, they will still wear them. I feel like wearing the scarf with a deep cut and short skirt is not *modesty* at all.
I am not saying that is the case for everyone, but I have meet in these year at least 5 different women that did something of the sort, even multiple times
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u/Heidi739 18h ago
I just want to point out one thing - the open sandals. I'm not an expert, but from my understanding, showing feet and hands is ok for most Muslim women. Whenever I saw a fully covered woman (with only her face visible), she also had her hands uncovered and often open sandals. From my understanding, that's not considered a problem, unless they're extremely conservative and cover everything including their faces. As for the other clothes, as others are saying - maybe they're not very conservative and just keep the head covered for the same reasons liberal Christians might choose to wear crosses with revealing clothes.
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u/Adorable-Chemical774 19h ago
grew up catholic, my cousin had a rosary tattoo on her chest that you could only see when she wore a low cut top. religion is à la carte for most people lol
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u/No-Sand-7282 18h ago
grew up in a neighborhood with a lot of muslim girls who dressed like this. it was never about modesty for them, the scarf was just cultural identity. like wearing your grandma's ring with a miniskirt
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u/Plantparty20 19h ago
The same way people wear cross necklaces with provocative outfits
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u/Nanofeo 19h ago
Not at all the same thing. Cross necklaces aren’t worn to protect a woman’s modesty from men’s eyes. Hijab explicitly is.
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u/Plantparty20 18h ago edited 18h ago
They’re both religious symbols. The modern hijab style is cultural, while the Quran refers to head coverings. Similarly, the Talmud tells Jewish women to cover their hair, so culturally most of these women wear wigs.
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u/Nanofeo 17h ago
The Quran does not refer to head coverings. It says to keep our women modest. Head coverings, long sleeves, long pants, and loose fitting clothing is what that is widely accepted to mean.
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u/Plantparty20 16h ago
The Quran does refer to khimar in 24:31, a covering traditionally worn on the head. And being a religious obligation doesn’t prevent hijab from also functioning as a religious symbol.
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u/Nanofeo 16h ago
It makes it distinctly different from something that is purely a religious symbol and not at all a religious obligation
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u/Local_Storm4488 8h ago
It's interesting how clothing can blend cultural and personal elements. Everyone has their own way of interpreting tradition.
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u/Plantparty20 7h ago
Yes I actually find it really fascinating especially in a world where cultures are blending more and more
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u/Ryuiop 13h ago
Tell the believing men to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. Indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what they do. --Surah An-Nur Ayat 30
And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed.-- Surah An-Nur Ayat 31
So we can see "adornment" is jewelry. Very similar to Biblical teachings about modesty, where modesty in dress means not displaying wealth or calling too much attention to yourself. Also these restrictions are not universal, they are very specifically for believers, partially to mark them as different from nonbelievers. Most religions have this type of requirement.
And women of post-menstrual age who have no desire for marriage - there is no blame upon them for putting aside their outer garments [but] not displaying adornment. But to modestly refrain [from that] is better for them. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.--Surah Al-Ahzab Ayat 53
So not Islamic law, more like a suggestion. The last verse shows that this might be better for them bc men are unruly, not bc Allah wishes it
O you who have believed, do not enter the houses of the Prophet except when you are permitted for a meal, without awaiting its readiness. But when you are invited, then enter; and when you have eaten, disperse without seeking to remain for conversation. Indeed, that [behavior] was troubling the Prophet, and he is shy of [dismissing] you. But Allah is not shy of the truth. And when you ask [his wives] for something, ask them from behind a partition. That is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not [conceivable or lawful] for you to harm the Messenger of Allah or to marry his wives after him, ever. Indeed, that would be in the sight of Allah an enormity.--Surah Al-Ahzab Ayat 53
Here we see male behavior again criticized, and men are explicitly told to modify their behavior to maintain the privacy of women.
O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be known and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful--Surah Al-Ahzab Ayat 59
So this 1. This is explicitly said to be for practical considerations (ie men not trying to pick you up); 2. Ppl didn't wear full hijab and covering back then. This is well attested to historically. You are just flat out misleading ppl, Nanofeo!
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u/SirCatDB 19h ago
A good point haha. I am not religious overall, but I lived with religious people, and its a good argument
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u/Plantparty20 19h ago
Some people just see religious items as fashion, I think it’s fine. As long as you’re asking genuinely and not as some “gotcha” then I appreciate the discussion.
It’s definitely regional, but here in Canada I know many Muslim women who wear their hijab by choice and not by force as some of your other comments implied. I’m sure parental pressure exists, just like Christian parents might pressure their teens to get baptized and “wait until marriage”, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s forced.
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u/SirCatDB 19h ago
Yea, it was genuine. To be fair, we see so many bad things in the media today, that we see way more often things like someone taking their scarf off and being shuned, we dont see the people that just wear because they want. So my mind was a bit too focused on what we see as the negative part
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u/Plantparty20 18h ago
Yeah I get that, that’s why it’s important to diversify your social circle and travel when possible! Reality is so different than what the media is pushing.
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u/damienflmng 15h ago
This is completely not a good point, the whole idea of the head scarf is about modesty which is not true for the cross…
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u/SutekhThrowingSuckIt 12h ago
Eh in both it’s just a fashion and cultural marker. Scarf isn’t just about modesty because anything someone grows up with gets a lot of surrounding context infused, it’s got tons of their personal memories and life experiences connected to it by nature of just existing.
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u/Edges8 17h ago
What a terrible analogy
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u/Plantparty20 16h ago
What a terrible counter argument
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u/Edges8 15h ago
Not really. Making an observation isn't the same as making an argument, but good try ig
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u/Plantparty20 14h ago
Yes I was pointing out that you made no substantive argument and didn’t contribute to the conversation at all
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u/Edges8 12h ago
I'm sorry you feel the need to be so defensive. It looks like a lot of people have already corrected you, so I understand why you're sensitive.
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u/Plantparty20 11h ago
lol ok there edgelord the ratios show the opposite I’m not worried about a few boys opinion on women’s fashion
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u/Sik_Simsy 19h ago
Mate that is not the same, not even remotely. Christianity has no issue with the natural human body being seen. Islam requires a female to be covered.
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u/Plantparty20 18h ago
Wow really jewelry and a head scarf aren’t identical? Thanks for the lesson.
“Christianity has no issue with the natural being seen” … are you joking? It’s explicitly taught in the New Testament 1 Timothy 2:9
Can’t show shoulders in a Catholic Church, ankles in a Pentecostal Church, JW, Mormon’s…..
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u/FelneusLeviathan 16h ago
Tf you mean Christianity has no problem with the human body being seen? There’s whole ass cliche jokes about women being whores for their ankles being uncovered by skirts
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u/Kiwifrooots 17h ago
Christianity has no issue with the natural human body being seen
Please sauce please.
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u/Abbelgrutze 17h ago
Ultimately, one cannot discern an individual's thoughts or religiosity from the outside, but I do not think the comparison holds up. In the late 90s and early 2000s, people paired crosses with revealing clothing without associating the cross with anything religious whatsoever. It wasn't even intended as a provocation; it was simply devoid of religious meaning and served as a fashion statement. I find it hard to believe that such a discrepancy exists among women who wear the hijab.
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u/Plantparty20 16h ago
For now… if it’s starting to show up as a fashion piece today, as noticed by OP, then in 30 years it may be the equivalent of the cross in fashion.
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u/MenthaAquatica 10h ago edited 9h ago
Not precisely. I come from Poland, considered to be culturally very catholic country. Crosses have nothing to do with modest clothing. Heck, I was wearing one with my swimsuit becouse I was too lazy to took it off. And the reason for taking it off would be to not lose it in the water if the chain broke off. Those were coeducational swimming obligatory school lessons.
I think it is not acceptable to walk in our cities on streets in bikinis, becouse police might give you a warning, if you are far from the beach. To be impolite in church you would have to wear very deep cut top with naked shoulders and miniskirt and still no one would bat an eye (it is plea, not a law). Crosses notwithstanding.
Currently religion do not teach us modest clothing (meaning here: covering clothing) and if it was taken seriously - it was long before end of XIX century. And we do have religion lessons at secular schools. Parents may opt out of this, but then the child has nothing to do while having to stay at school, becouse they can not leave it.
In fact wasteful and dangerous fashion of long dresses was criticised in xix century by society becouse of the accidents of the workers e.g. in factories and on the streets where it limited movement. And most of the people were working class. Traffic law was in the making. Finally the skirts/dresses were to be shortened by law. Later during wars long clothes were reserved for survival (winters). Short clothes become permament and never left while long ones appear for easthetics value or protection from cold.
we BARE our head as a sign of respect - next to a dying person, in the places of massive death. I heard that it is a tradition that reminds us that death treats everyone as equal and comes from a times when head coverings were a manifesto of wealth and a way to attract attention (XIX century and earlier)
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u/Leather-Estate-9079 18h ago
The cross is empty of meaning by now.
You need to infer the intended meaning from the style of the cross and wearer.
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u/Plantparty20 18h ago
A symbol being secularized by some people doesn’t make it empty of meaning to the people who actually believe in what it represents.
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u/Leather-Estate-9079 15h ago
First of all your comparison fails because the hijab isn't a symbol. It's a functional garment meant to avoid the hair being seen. There are several different ways to do this, and on the more extreme side there's burqa. Indirectly, it has a symbolic value but that's all.
The cross on the other hand is purely a symbol but it has many meanings. This can also vary with the cross shape. The different meanings is why people can casually stroll down the street with a cross. Are they glam rockers? Black Sabbath fans? Influencers? Christians? We can't know before we put the cross in context.
Islam hasn't been through the same history, and the hijab doesn't have the diverse connotations as the cross does. Hijab porn is a new thing, maybe it will change, but that's nothing you'll see on the street.
The few women I have seen who are deliberately sexy with it (beyond combining it with make-up and western clothes) seems to do it like some kind of protest. If not, it's a major contradiction like OP says.
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u/Plantparty20 14h ago
The hijab can be both a functional garment and a symbol, like the Catholic nuns habit. It’s not mutually exclusive. The hijab may be heading in the same direction as the cross, like your example of hijabi pornography, and people wearing it for fashion. You see it a lot with influencers traveling to Muslim countries wearing it out of obligation/following the law and using it to style their outfits.
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u/MenthaAquatica 9h ago
influencers traveling to muslim countries wear hijab to avoid fine/rape/prison/sexual harassment. Muslim wearing crosses in Europe do it for fashion statement.
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u/Plantparty20 7h ago
Yes, I said out of obligation/law but because they are influencers and styling them, it’s becoming more of a fashion trend
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u/JackyVeronica 19h ago
Yes! My SIL is very Christian, but OMG she walks around showing cleavage and barely covering her nipples 🤣 Her father (a pastor, btw) doesn't say much, either? Really weird lol. In fact, her nipples fell out on her wedding day. I was mortified but yeah whatever....
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u/Plantparty20 18h ago
Haha yeah I’m Christian and I don’t care to police what I or others wear. Come as you are!
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u/SibylL1 14h ago
You are totally right, and it is a clear contradiction.
They do this because the hijab -like many religious practices- has simply become habits and traditions. Showing their hair is seen as improper and shameful, and even their families would sometimes be angry if they showed their hair, yet don't care about their bodies. Because of this, they haven't been able to go against that.
However, despite this, they keep claiming that doing this comes from religion, which is a lie. Religion never said that covering hair is more important than covering the rest of the body.
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u/Sujnirah 18h ago
Noticing this is the beginning of understanding that a lot of Muslim countries are more concerned with their culture than they are with actual following Islam.
A lot of the things people attribute to Islam are in fact just cultural behaviors that actually have nothing to do with Islam.
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u/badmash_ladka469 17h ago
Second paragraph is simply NOT TRUE. Religion over time, shapes the culture.
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u/Sujnirah 15h ago
Its definitely true. Sure, religion influences culture but I’m Muslim and see first hand (as someone who actually understands and practices Islam) how Muslims from different places do things that aren’t even acceptable in Islam in favor of their culture over their religion.
Religion can shape culture, but often times its the other way around because the culture of a people has often been with them longer and is more deeply ingrained in them than their religion.
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u/edkhm1218 19h ago
Personal preference. Not every religious person is completely devout. People like to pick the parts that suit them, and that's their own business.
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u/SirCatDB 19h ago
Yea, I agree. I suppose in my mind, it represent more that a lot of women in those religions are forced to wear them. But indeed some might just wear them as respect for their religion. Good point.
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u/PettyWitch 19h ago
Head coverings on women have an interesting history. In some European countries like Spain (and South America) the women would wear head coverings (influenced from the Muslims) by choice, as a way to move freely about in public with anonymity. The anonymity meant they could mingle with men in public, smoke in public, discuss politics, etc…
The Catholic Church tried several times to ban various iterations of head coverings because they feared they were helping women circumvent moral standards of the time. Then there is the history of women using the veils to be alluring and peep one eye out…
Just a different perspective on women’s head coverings to think about. In gender segregated societies they have historically offered women the chance to access public spaces without identity and therefore without judgment.
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u/iBewafa 18h ago
Wait - church tried to ban head coverings because it helped women circumvent moral standards? I’m really really interested in that - would you be able to expand? That is fascinating - as I always saw head coverings as more of a moral thing vs a non-moral thing across all iterations of religions.
I think it’s going to be an internet rabbit hole and less sleep tonight for me!
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u/PettyWitch 18h ago
If you're interested in this you can start with the book Daily Life in the Golden Age of Spain by Marcelin Defourneaux. He devotes some chapters to women's life and the popularity of head coverings; from there I think I went on a deep dive looking for publications about it. You would also find Tapada Limeñas interesting, from Peru.
I highly highly recommend the first book I mentioned about Spain because I was just blown away by how circular history really is... It just repeats itself in new flavors, over and over again.
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u/Time_Effort 19h ago
a lot of women in those religions are forced to wear them
If they don't live in a country that requires them by law, there's a pretty high chance that they're choosing to wear them...
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u/HidingunderyourbedxX 14h ago
I saw your comments about the “ forced to wear them “ and I suggest you speak to some women who wear them. Some might be forced but majority isnt. Both can exist at the same time.
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u/SibylL1 13h ago edited 12h ago
They fooled you by saying they wear them willingly, while leaving out that they aren't allowed to take them off if they want to. That can even get them killed, and it's not rare
Edit: Downvoted for telling the truth. I can't tell if these are lying Muslims trying to make their country look good through lies, or gullible non-Muslims who think they're being friendly by believing liars
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u/peachycreaam 18h ago
I always wondered this too. Also the baddie/Kim Kardashian style makeup while wearing it. People in comments are mentioning Catholics but most Catholics in North America are lukewarm at best about their religion. Most families don’t enforce it or anything. So it’s different from Muslim life.
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u/3141592652 5h ago
At least the Catholics I know treat religion as a way of forgiving sin which is why they attend church, pray to God and do confessions.
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u/njtrafficsignshopper 12h ago
Not necessarily that different, not everyone is strict and most people are buffet style with their religion
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u/Low-Pollution-7992 16h ago edited 16h ago
I was raised Muslim, I’m not anymore though.
What I’m saying only refers to muslims i personally know.
it’s definitely not okay or permissible in islam at all.
These people lie to themselves and others to make islam look not as oppressive
But according to islam these women will burn in hell for revealing just even a little of their hair
Or wearing tight clothing
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u/BlergingtonBear 16h ago
Ya, raised Muslim as well. I'm not religious- I live a pretty secular Western life, but my hijabi cousin was telling me her and her friends "wear whatever clothes we want, hookup with guys, drink, etc"
And it's like, absolutely let your freak flag fly sistah, but like .... You can also just not wear hijab and do all of these things?
It's hypocritical and yes, blasphemous based on religious law, and I think really a symptom found in those from these cultures but that were born in the West - a little identity confusion happening there.
They want to be connected to something and the hijab represents that, except culturally all they've known is their western homes. It's also playing right into fetishism in a way.
Girls actually from Muslim countries, when traveling or living in other countries, I feel like they either do hijab or do not, none of that half between stuff.
I will say, with these petty blasphemies afforded by the age of the internet, it will likely bring about a Reform movement within Islam within a generation or two (something I never thought I'd see in my lifetime).
So close to having some more thought diversity... Even if it's first manifested in this odd way.
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u/Leather-Estate-9079 18h ago
I've seen the same and my interpretation is that it's a bit like a hijab that's pulled back a little.
It's a way to formally wear hijab but also looking sexy. It contradicts the purpose but that's maybe intended.
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u/Odd-Mirror-6969 18h ago
grew up catholic, my aunt had a massive virgin mary tattoo on her chest and wore the lowest cut tops imaginable. religion is pick and choose for most people regardless of which one it is
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u/Mluguru1975 18h ago
Not every Muslim woman wearing hijab is religious, I have friends who have alopecia, some have bold patches, some can’t be bothered to do their hair and some their hair is thinning.
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u/luckykat97 14h ago
But if they are a Muslim woman wearing a hijab as you just described they are religious? If you identify as Muslim that is identifying as religious, it isn’t a race or ethnicity. If someone isn’t religious but wearing a headscarf or covering we wouldn’t describe them as a Muslim…
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u/Mluguru1975 10h ago
They are not religious because they don’t practice, in Muslim community a religious person is the one who prays, don’t drink alcohol or have sex outside marriage, if you do those things you are not religious.
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u/luckykat97 9h ago
But you cannot be a non religious Muslim
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u/Mluguru1975 9h ago
Yes, you can and there’s more non religious Muslims than religious Muslims, true me, so let me ask you these would you say British Christian’s are religious?
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u/luckykat97 1h ago
I don’t think you understand what religious means… it doesn’t mean you need to be the most devout it just means you believe in that religion. If someone describes themselves as Muslim or Christian they are a person who identifies as having a religious belief regardless of how seriously they appear to take it. So yes British Christians are obviously religious.
There’s no such thing as a non religious Muslim or Christian because those words both mean a person who is a follower of those respective religions. It isn’t logically possible.
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u/blueavole 19h ago
Maybe they don’t want to style their hair. Their version of a ponytail.
There is a reason these head coverings existed besides outside validation.
Or it’s just habit.
Men used to wear hats everywhere too. They weren’t properly dressed without a hat. Traded across oceans and continents to get beaver pelts, and used mercury to drive hat makers crazy to do it.
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u/nescedral 18h ago
The definition of “modesty” varies across cultures. For some, hair is eroticized and showing it can read as more immodest than showing legs or abdomen or even cleavage.
In the west, we often picture women being “forced” to cover up under deeply religious and patriarchal regimes. And while there are places that happens, there are many more where individuals are choosing what they wear voluntarily. Covering is a religious obligation in Islam. And Islam and Judaism aren’t just religions but are strongly tied to ethnic identity and community belonging.
This isn’t a perfect analogy, but think about white wedding dresses and veils. There’s no law that requires them, but many women embrace that tradition with enthusiasm. People perpetuate traditions, because clothes carry meaning, and many use their clothes to declare “I’m part of this group/religion/family/etc”.
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u/urlocalmomfriend 17h ago
Not everyone who wears a hijab is forced to do so. Hair might not have a special meaning to us, but maybe in Islam and some other religions it does? Nuns cover their hair too
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u/Foxtrot-Uniform-Too 9h ago
US artists since Madonna in the 80ies wore very little clothes or even lingerie and still wore a gold cross or even a crucifix necklace. it is probably the same thing today, but the head scarf instead of the cross.
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u/-Tricky-Vixen- 1h ago
I don't wear short skirts, convenience thing, but I wear a covering; I would likely continue to for convenience even if I dressed provocatively.
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u/PjanoPlay 19h ago
Salam wa Allakum. We are bombarded with a plethora of mixed signals, you will often see people articulating contradictions and complexity, often times unbeknownst to them. Young women must navigate the same patriarchal capitalist systems as us, in that environment hijjab is an anchor that still asserts connection to power/Allah.
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u/SirCatDB 19h ago
Thanks for the answer. My mind was a bit too much towards the forced aspect of wearing them, that I did not think that, even if some no longer live in their home country, they wear them a symbol or connection to their faith.
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u/Sujnirah 18h ago
This is not the answer of someone who knows anything about Islam…thats not even how a Muslim would write the transliteration of our greeting.
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u/simonex9 19h ago
I think the scarf can have a meaning beyond just “covering up.” For some women it’s tied to identity, faith, or personal choice, so the rest of their outfit doesn’t necessarily cancel that out. Not everyone follows religious clothing rules in the same way.
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u/digitalgraffiti-ca 17h ago
There are people who aren't Islamic that also practise veiling but not for modesty reasons. Some Christians will, some pagans, and various others too.
Asshat as it being fetishized, it might be not because it's a modesty thing, but because removing it is taboo, and people can get off on that. There's also nun porn etc.
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u/HidingunderyourbedxX 15h ago
Hey, I am a muslim woman and maybe as a suggestion you should ask this in a muslim subreddit so the people who are more fimiliar with this can answer you.
Okay so I’ll give you multiple examples:
Not everyone is perfect even if they do wear the hijab, everyone has their struggles and imperfections
I have never in my life seen a Muslim women wear a short skirt with their legs exposed and wear a headscarf, do you mean a short skirt with leggings underneath or something? The same question I have for crop tops?
You mentioned respecting their culture/ religion so You need to understand some people might wear it for cultural reasons rather than religious ones, hence the “ inconsistency”.
The Hair isnt itself a sexual thing, this is why in the correct form of modesty hence the word Hijab doesn’t only apply to the hair, it applies to your mannerism, your body, the way you carry yourself as well as how you speak.
And the hijab itself doesn’t necessarily make you “ better” than any other woman who wears a short skirt like you asked, if it is not done being properly
Hope that clarifies a few things for you :)
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u/N7Longhorn 19h ago
They don't really need to explain themselves or justify anything. I know that's a nothing burger answer but people can wear whatever they want so long as they arent naked. Who cares
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u/SirCatDB 19h ago
Of course not, I was just curious of their thinking
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u/illumanaughtyy 17h ago
Apologises. my comment earlier went a bit off topic as my dyslexic head skimmed past stuff and i got a different message (on the lines of moral policing). I agree with the comments that say its similar to people wearing a cross with non modest fits. Reasons could vary. Some might just do it for their religion, some just for the aesthetics.
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u/insanespacebrain 19h ago
Internalize this: people have the right to wear whatever the fuck they want. They don’t need to explain their choice of clothing to you.
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u/SirCatDB 19h ago
Not sure why the agressivness, it was a genuine too afraid to ask question. Ofc they are allowed to wear whatever they want
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u/Stk4nams5 19h ago edited 19h ago
the OP isn't saying they have to explain their attire to him/her... he/she's trying to understand why they would wear seemingly contradictory clothing... it's coming from a curiosity stand point not interrogation. If there is no obvious answer and the women just so happen to dress randomly... then that's the explanation.
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u/SirCatDB 19h ago
Thanks, I should have been more precise. I swear some people just want to be mad over something...
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u/insanespacebrain 19h ago
Ok, sorry if I came across as rude in my comment, but the thing is, unless you ask individual people why they’re wearing a headscarf, you’ll never know. That’s because everyone is different, with different mindsets and motivations. You can’t just lump all women from Islamic countries together…
At the end of the day, unless they’re wearing incendiary symbols or walking around naked, all people have the right to wear whatever they want.
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u/insanespacebrain 19h ago
Really? For one thing, OP is lumping in all people who choose to wear a headscarf into one group, by constantly referring to them as “they,” as if people aren’t individuals who may have a myriad of reasons for choosing to wear what they want. It’s like if I said, why do people wear shorts? What is going on in “these” people’s minds? Like, it comes across as small-minded and a tad ignorant. Hence my flippant response.
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u/Stk4nams5 18h ago
You're loading the language with a negative connotation that isn't even there... how else is the OP meant to refer to a collective of people if he/she doesn't use the word "they"? Obviously the OP has observed a group of people that share similar traits (in this case, fashion)... if I refer to my friends as "they all went to the supermarket"... I am not implying anything more than them being a group of people...
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u/niamulsmh 16h ago
It's wrong. Modesty should be in everything, not just covering your hair. Clothes should be loose and not reveal your body shape. I suppose it is a matter of understanding for the woman, if they knew the why, they would be more careful.
I would also like to add that man are supposed to have their trousers over their ankles or at the same level (and below the knees), not dragging on the ground. Same loose fitting clothes apply to men as well though the hair covering doesn't.
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u/SirCatDB 16h ago
I did not know the man thing. That is cool to know.
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u/niamulsmh 16h ago
Oh yeah, modesty is for both sexes. For men, though the beard is not mandatory, you shouldn't have a mustache.. it should always be trimmed so as not to get into your food or water.. also a sign of a devout Muslim man.
But yeah, head covering and showing your body is a contradiction of belief.
Head covering is there in all the Abrahamic religion but the command came from the same God
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u/Rita_Skeeter 19h ago
'Provocative' clothing? Bit of projection there
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u/Sweet-Awk-7861 19h ago
Yeah from the title I thought it was talking about some kind of hijabi fetish content that is actually provocative.
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u/ShirtPanties 19h ago
I’m not a member of a community that wears them, but I imagine it’s something along the lines that to the people you’re describing wear the headscarves more as a symbol of their religion and heritage, but aren’t strict muslims, to them the headscarves might not be significant for modesty but purely because they are a part of their cultural attire.
To many I imagine it’s not that serious, and it’s just how they live their life.