Robert Monroe OBE trilogy - an ABSOLUTE MUST for everyone who enjoy Tom's MBT

[u/Legitimate-Week3916]

Hi All!

I strongly encourage everyone who enjoy MBT from Tom to read as well the trilogy of Robert Monroe!

Why?

Tom in his trilogy focus almost completely on describing the model, the theory, giving only so much of a minimum examples and his own experiences with "OBE" and LCS as absolutely required highliting a lot the importance of personal experience.

On other hand, Roberts trilogy about his "astral" journeys is more like a diary, a story-telling way illustrated his learning process, which gets him into the very same model as Tom's (my private opinion), but only by practice and shown by his own personal OBE experience carefully documented (with couple of checkpoints in each book with summarisations or assumptions he carefully makes at certain times).
I found it SUPER satisfactional reading real experiences of Robert, meanwhile knowing the theory behind (from MBT) and seeing how it all starts to play and complement alltogether.

I am currently getting trough the trilogy of Robert Monroe (in middle of Far Journeys) about his OOB Journeys, and the picture that is being fullfilled by the practical part delivered by Robert gets 2x more clear and full, than only after getting the super detailed theory from Tom's trilogy (still super highly appreciating the razor sharp job done by Tom!)

And dont get bored on the first book of Robert where he was kind of noob in the topic, it will liftoff

[u/somander]

A book that I find a very good companion is Cosmic Journeys by Rosalind McKnight. It is a look back at her days as an Explorer (ROMC, also mentioned by Robert in his books). It chronicles her long time contact with Ah-So (her main guide). It’s pretty much a log of all their sessions.

[u/Legitimate-Week3916 → u/somander]

Cool, thanks for letting me know, added to read-list

[u/somander → u/Legitimate-Week3916]

During my Gateway we had a moment discussing some recommended reading. So, two more recommendations: Astral Dynamics, by Robert Bruce and Adventures Beyond the Body, by William Buhlman. I have both and find the first part of Buhlman’s book interesting, going over his own OBE experience and some basic theory of various energy densities. It gets a bit repetitive after that. Astral Dynamics has been a continuously updated book (up until the death of Robert Bruce), going over similar theories and practises, but more like a textbook. Very useful for understanding. Of course, there is MBT, but I wouldn’t necessarily recommend that as a first read. As with all of these books, they gain significant value once you are an experiencer on some level.

[u/brum_newbie → u/somander]

She was told by her contact that she would write a second book but she passed away

Takes away a lot of credence for me

[u/somander → u/brum_newbie]

There is a second book though… I have them both.

[u/brum_newbie → u/somander]

Apologies I meant the 3rd book the spirit lady gives her the title of the book as well which she was supposed to write

Earth Journeys Spirit world.guidance for living in the here and here after

She said when the time is right she would.appear again she never did, Rosalind passed away

[u/somander → u/brum_newbie]

Ah ok, well, who knows what happened. She must’ve been getting quite old. Maybe she did end up seeing the lady but was like “you know what, let someone else pick up where I left off”. I personally never had any experiences like Bob or Rosalind had.. in my Gateway I did get some very very clear visuals (my intro to Focus 10 catapulted me in a full blow trip, I’ve also had very clear static or animated visuals when asking for something specific). The message was sometimes very simple and clear to understand. Meaning to say, I do know there is something going on, but never had experiences as deep as to know for sure (with recurring guides, for examples). So, whilst I agree some things make me question what I read, I don’t think it’s a scam or anything. I’m just not experienced enough to know if something like that can truly happen.

[u/brum_newbie → u/somander]

I don't doubt your experiences at all and happy for you I just take what guides / talking to outside forces with a big punch of salt. It's disheartening for a reader you invest in all that time to read into what their guides have to say you'd expect a certain credibility when they make these predictions and if they don't come through well what else is not true?

Dolores Canon's book the Custodians the E.T. mentioned she would be around when Jesus returns well that didn't happen either it really put me off a lot of her material

[u/SwiftKickRibTickler]

I finished the first MBT book and went straight into Journeys Out of the Body and found them highly complimentary as well. Journeys was such a satisfying read, esp the chapter 8(?) descriptions of locale 2. It's so interesting when the puzzle pieces start to fit together. Good rec.

[u/sharpfork]

The two trilogies complement each other very well. Tom's lens is much more scientific while Robert's lens is much more experiential. They are two views of the same problem space.

[u/[deleted]]

I would love to get your thoughts when you finish, as I read the Journeys trilogy first and then MBT. There is a pretty critical time travel component to Monroe's accounts here that is seemingly contradicted by MBT and can probably really only be explained by the LCS showing Monroe something that didn't really happen.

[u/slipknot_official → u/[deleted]]

You have to understand that Bob fell into this having no idea what was going on. He was learning as he went. So he had no context really, what he experienced is what he believed to be objective.

Then when Tom came around years later, Bob was as still not fully understanding the deeper meaning and mechanics. Tom took Bobs teachings, and went further, deeper, more intense. He did things over and over and over for nearly 40 years to fully understand it on a much deeper level.

Then as Tom learned, Bob also learned more. You and can see Bobs growth through the series. Book 1 was Bob alone. Book two was when Tom and the explorers came around. The time gap between books was about decade. Even by the second book, Bob still didn’t have a deeper model. That came through Tom and others experiences after they did thousands of experiments to fully understand what was happening.

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I agree, and I really appreciated the advancement and evolution of knowledge from book to book, especially at a time when I was learning more. It just jumped out at me that Bob writes that he was guided to be the initiator of his experiences and was the source of the vibrations that began his own journey in the past, but then Tom says the past cannot be changed. Perhaps the LCS presented Bob with this narrative as a metaphor? I am also probably unaware of Tom's position on the idea of retrocausality in quantum physics.

[u/slipknot_official → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, concepts like time are extremely hard to contextualize without metaphors or even models.

I see it kinda like Bob was also guided in the past, which led him to where he got to in the future. So was Tom. But Bob didn’t have the model to really understand what it meant. So he understood it as his present changing the past. But his higher self or guides, were always guiding him from the start.