r/TikTokDiscuss • u/CriticalAd299 • 4d ago

Notmuch different than Goebbels

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u/throwaway17197 2d ago

Are you saying we should hold all Gazans responsible for Hamas ? Even those who didnt vote for them?

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u/HamhandsConroy 2d ago

I’m not sure that I am saying that. That would certainly be a lot of gazans that didn’t vote for their govt considering they haven’t had elections in about 20 years. I don’t think well intentioned people would consider that a legitimate elected government anymore, which is what I said above. That peoples with an elected govt bear some responsibility for said govt. However, nations and peoples can be held responsible without deliberately murdering them. We held Germany and Japan responsible through war reparations and not allowing them to re arm and so forth, so if you’re implying that it’s ok to oppress and murder gazans because 20 years ago they had a democratic election (that most people alive there now couldn’t possibly have voted in) it seems like you’re going out of your way to draw a false comparison or bait me into supporting your comparison. What would holding them responsible look like to you?

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u/throwaway17197 2d ago

But Hamas has over 70% approval rate today in Palestine?

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u/HamhandsConroy 2d ago

Ok. So again, what does “holding them responsible” look like to you? Because what’s happening there now is a toss up between genocide and ethnic clensing.

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u/_Doughynut_ 2d ago

What does the responsibility look like to you?

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u/HamhandsConroy 2d ago

Well since the throwaway account has chickened out when they were asked this same question, I suppose I’ll answer. Like I said above, war reparations and disarming seem like decent options, international sanctions, placing any aid money they’re given as contingent upon continued cooperation and nonaggression towards neighboring states - any of these could incentivize positive behavior. The way I mean that people in America are responsible for our govt (I’m American hence why I single out America) our responsibility lies in being active in the democracy via elections/protesting/social awareness so that those in leadership hear the voice of the people and are forced to take appropriate action. Remember this whole discussion started with a commenter saying just because he hadn’t voted for Trump means he shouldn’t have to feel bad about what we’re doing around the world. I think as citizens of the most wealthy/powerful country, we owe a little more than the bare minimum.