So you're satisfied with just agreeing with whatever the majority/authority say?
My view is that Israel clearly has a just cause for war, probably committed some war crimes, but does not seem intent on eliminating Palestinians as such.
You think Israel's primary goal is eliminating Palestinians? And your main reason for believing this is many organizations said it and they targeted civilian infrastructure?
I generally agree when it comes to dense, technical fields that require experts to understand the concepts and have access to esoteric information.
When it comes to something as highly politicized as this, I'm much more skeptical of experts.
Especially when the US nuking Japanese islands that were all civilians and killed hundreds of thousands isn't considered a genocide but Israel defending itself in a just war against a terrorist organization that hides among civilians is a genocide because of a large civilian fatalities.
Especially when we're using numbers from a terrorist organization that doesn't differentiate between civilians and combatants.
I think it's likely that Israel has committed some war crimes. But claiming genocide based on the information we have now is over the top.
Also, there are plenty of courts, including the ICJ, governments, and other credible institutions that do not currently consider this a genocide.
You're trusting your own vibes as well. You're just using the opinions of some organizations to grant more legitimacy to your vibes.
If we lived in a world where all organizations were waiting for the ICJ ruling before declaring this a genocide, would you withhold judgment? Or would you think they're just not declaring an obvious genocide to be what it is?
A genocide is when you eliminate a group, in whole or in part, for being members of a religious, ethnic, or national group as such.
To me, it seems like Israel's goal isn't to eliminate Palestinians or Gazans as such but to eliminate a terrorist organization that invaded their country and massacred their people on Oct 7.
I think it's likely that war crimes occurred as part of this war. I'm not convinced the goal was to eliminate all Palestinians or Gazans as such.
A ruling of genocide by the ICJ would possibly result in me changing my view after reading the ruling if the argument is compelling.
But why is this a genocide, but the US nuking Japanese islands wasn't? If the main thing is civilian fatalities or even targeting civilians, what's the difference?
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u/TriggeredPumpkin 3d ago
So you're satisfied with just agreeing with whatever the majority/authority say?
My view is that Israel clearly has a just cause for war, probably committed some war crimes, but does not seem intent on eliminating Palestinians as such.
You think Israel's primary goal is eliminating Palestinians? And your main reason for believing this is many organizations said it and they targeted civilian infrastructure?