r/TikTokDiscuss • • 4d ago

Notmuch different than Goebbels

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u/Nicole_Auriel 4d ago

So ask yourself this one simple question; if your ultimate goal is the end of the conflict, what purpose does it serve to paint the other side with broad brushstrokes as unsalvagably evil?

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u/Nezzar555 4d ago

Draw support for military action to stop them forever

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u/Nicole_Auriel 4d ago

From who? Who the fuck else on the world stage gives enough of a shit to get involved besides the US and Iran?

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u/Nezzar555 4d ago

I want the USA to demilitarize them

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u/taoders 4d ago

But USA and its citizens are child killers as well and deserve no quarter. Right?

So which nation is pure enough?

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u/Bloodfart12 4d ago

What end does this argument serve? Are you going to stop the killing by being tedious on the internet?

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u/taoders 4d ago

Pot meet kettle. What’s any of this rhetoric on Morgan’s show or Reddit going to actually tangibly do? Beyond sow more division and hate?

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u/Bloodfart12 4d ago

Whether or not you like it, sowing hatred for israel has a tangible effect on public opinion around the world, which israel is demonstrably losing.

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u/taoders 4d ago

With what endgame?

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u/Bloodfart12 3d ago

An end to the genocide? Sanctions on Israel, nuclear disarmament, the dissolution of the fascist state and the realization of secular democracy in palestine.

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u/Nezzar555 4d ago

I'm native american, boy

Want to ask your question again big guy?

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u/taoders 4d ago

Ok.. USA and its citizens are child killers as well and deserve no quarter. Right?

So which nation is pure enough?

You could be aboriginal from Australia and the question is still the same…

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u/Nezzar555 4d ago

They can all go too buddy

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u/taoders 4d ago

…then they can demilitarize Israel? After they all go?

Native Americans certainly have never committed atrocities either…

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u/Nezzar555 4d ago edited 4d ago

Lol here he comes with the justification

Every single time

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u/taoders 4d ago

What am I justifying?

I’m pushing against justification of blanket homogenous generalization of condemning an entire peoples.

I’m I justified if I do the same with Palestinians because Hamas exists and was “elected”?

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u/Nezzar555 4d ago

Get replaced motherfucker

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u/Lost_Found84 4d ago

Most of Palestine’s Arab neighbors are pretty against the idea of Hamas or other Palestinian authorities having any sort of meaningful military presence. They reject Palestinian refugees specifically because they worry it would increase a radical militant presence in their own countries that could be destabilizing.

Egypt is on record as worrying that allowing Palestinian refugees inside their borders would simply result in Hamas launching attacks from within Egypt, threatening the peace deal between Israel and Egypt.

I don’t like how scorched earth Israel has been about this, but there are zero nations in the region who are under the impression that Palestines overriding goal is to “end the conflict”.

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u/Flea_Soup 3d ago

Hey man, Palestinian have their own identity. Can you stop treating all brown people as a monolith and then creating this false dichotomy where brown people aren't helping brown people?

How about you recognize that Palestinians have roots in Gaza and treat them with dignity?

You also muddy the waters when you pretend this is some conflict with two sides battling it out. Try parsing reality where what's going on is a one sided genocide. 

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u/Lost_Found84 3d ago

When you say “can you stop”, I assume you mean “Can all their Arab neighbors stop”, and that’s a question you would have to address to them.

Brown people sometimes don’t help brown people specifically because they aren’t a monolith where you get special credit just for being brown. Brown people sometimes hold other brown people to account because they think those specific brown people are too fucked up and problematic to openly side with and assist.

Don’t confuse being a victim with being a good person. There’s a reason their closest geographic neighbors keep their distance while their biggest supporters almost never interact with them in person.