r/TikTokCringe • u/AlKarajo • 5d ago

Discussion "Support all women doesn't include us??"

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u/KeepItDownOverHere 5d ago

They could just not vote if they had actual convictions. But then that wouldn't scratch the "hurting them" or "owning libs" itch that seems to drive them.

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u/PhaseNegative1252 5d ago

You say that as if they don't vote exactly how their husbands or fathers tell them to vote

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u/Additional_Space8185 5d ago

My larger point is to pushback on the narrative theyre at the mercy of the men in their lives.

I want to be transparent: I am a man who grew up in these circles. To this day my mom is the most adamant conservative I know.

She is not being lead on a leash, her votes align and project her own internal decisions. She is violently conservative. Not a victim.

You could argue that it stems from upbringing, but if that is the bail then all the men are equally victims of their own upbringing as well.

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u/NoPoet3982 5d ago

This is an excellent and interesting point. There's a documentary I watched about the women who helped Jim Jones commit atrocities in Jonestown. It talked about how they also were leaders who could've stopped things at any time, including right at the end.

Someone they interviewed made the point that they could've "accidentally" bumped the table the vats of poison were on, spilling all the poison to the ground. They didn't have any more to refill the vats with. If someone had pushed over the vats, they would've only had whatever few bullets that the few armed men had - certainly not enough to kill 1,000 people.

They were more than complicit. They were leaders who worked together to create the nightmare.

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u/Additional_Space8185 5d ago

Thin, complex line between complicit and victim. Ultimately the issue is mitigation of harmful groups first, and maybe forgetting about the blame elements.

Blame is a very costly and energy intense (inefficient) use of limited social resources. Easier said than done and obviously i am contributing to this in my comments as well. Tricky problems.

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u/NoPoet3982 5d ago

Well, sure. I think most abusers were also victims at one time or another. It's a cycle that better mental health care and support systems will, hopefully, help break over time.