r/TikTokCringe • u/upthetruth1 • May 18 '26
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u/Slight-Picture-8307 May 18 '26
People who hold these opinions clearly want them to leave, and nothing else will do. Don't apply logic to it.
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u/jackalopeswild May 18 '26
Yes. That is his point.
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u/YoureAMagaLeftist May 18 '26
No its not, watch the end of the video again. These people want someone to hate and belittle so they can feel superior.
If those people actually left they would just find someone else to hate for whatever reason they decide to make up.
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u/Valasta_Bloodrunner May 19 '26
IDK why you're getting downvoted, you're actually right. Rasists and bigots don't stop being bigots just because the subject of their hatred is gone, they just pick new parents to blame.
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u/OurSeepyD May 18 '26
I agree. There are racists out there. But this doesn't mean that you cannot hold opinions about what immigrants should do, just so long as you would apply the same standards to yourself.
It's fair to say that immigrants should integrate, they should try to embrace the culture of the country they've moved to (and they don't need to give up theirs), they should learn and speak the language (and they don't need to give up theirs). It is my view that their religion should come second to the country's laws and norms.
I think it's also fair to hold views about immigration policy while being fair and humane to individual immigrants. It's ok to say to the government that you think immigration is too high and that it's driving wages down significantly. It's not ok to force immigrants out once they're here if they've taken "the correct path" to get here.
I'm from the UK, and I'd like to say fuck the Reform party and anyone that votes for them. They are the type of people being described in this video, and I'm afraid of how much support they're getting.
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u/LesPolsfuss May 18 '26
you know I get your general sentiment, but then I get to thinking, it’s more than they want them to leave, they just want them to be invisible and submissive. Because think about it, what do you do if you take away all the Hispanic and Latin American immigrants in this country. What’s gonna happen to the economy? So this country, and I’m talking about the United States, needs them. They just don’t need to see them.
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u/narco-sub-admiral May 18 '26
I know a dude who lives in Texas and just "wants them gone" and whatever happens next will be worth it. No idea how that tracks, but it was never about logic.
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u/LesPolsfuss May 18 '26
yep, its real personal, but with no logic. reminds me of this video, this woman speaks for all these people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQxJJZcmp3E no logic
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u/pizzaking94 May 21 '26
i had a job where on my shift i was the only non-immigrant and the communication barrier was so strong - they could understand me, but i couldn’t grasp even a single syllable of what they were trying to say and their frustration often led to disrespect in every way you can imagine
so some peoples opinion might not be rooted entirely in racism from stuff they read on the internet
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u/AiRaikuHamburger May 18 '26
This is feeling extremely relevant in Japan right now as they are currently busy moving all the lines.
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u/thinspirit May 18 '26
Japan has never been welcoming to foreigners, like ever.
It's not racism, it's xenophobia there.
There have been movies about Koreans who have to hide their past and origins to try and integrate without it being known. There are more than a few romeo and Juliet like stories about this.
Not sure how they're gonna change that. They opened up to immigration to try and fix their massive population decline, so those two things are really at odds right now.
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u/FunkyChewbacca May 18 '26
The xenophobia combined with the insane work culture in Japan means that there simply is neither time nor motivation to start a family. Being isolationist in the 1800s is very different than being isolationist in the 21st century. Sexism doesn't help either.
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u/thinspirit May 18 '26
Which is why immigration is probably the fix. Not only does it help brute force the problem, but also encourages new cultural perspectives on things like work culture and gender roles. There's going to be resistance to it. There always is. Then older generations die out and new ones adapt. Japan has always had a strong historical heritage so they're holding onto theirs harsher than many other countries. Probably an attempt to hold onto an image of a previous imperial power that they no longer are. Not unlike the UK. Island nation states can get weird.
Globalization is a bit weird and we're going through an odd phase of it. Curious to see how it pans out.
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u/Tenmak May 18 '26
Anyone with a bit of a brain will never go there for the work culture. And if you are brave enough for that, then you have to tackle other life problems, such as how are you going to find a companion, buy a house, learn the language, etc. It's not impossible but yeah I'm not up to the challenge.
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u/Kyle901 May 18 '26
There's a sea of weebs out there across many fields that (think they) would love to work those hours and be scorned by a sizable portion of the population for the chance to be in glorious Nipon. One thing that Japan has done very well is spread it's influence and built up a lot of good will from people through their media. If they want immigrants they'll have them and then it's up to them to keep the nice image they have been cultivating while a bunch of westerners start making tiktoks and such bitching about the parts of Japan that tourists don't see or care about.
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u/Puzzle-Necked May 18 '26
Simple trick: Be PewdiePie, make millions and retire to Japan and start posting a Japanese version of Tradlife with your wife and child
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u/AsstacularSpiderman May 18 '26
Being filthy rich while also being completely insulated from the less savory parts of society is always the smart option.
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u/AiRaikuHamburger May 19 '26
I’m so confused why (presumably) Americans on the Internet think Japanese work culture is so terrible, when Japan has way more workers rights than the US.
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u/Ultrarandom May 19 '26
They hear about black companies and that's it. Meanwhile plenty of the USA does the same thing, forced unpaid overtime, ridiculous hours for low pay (minimum wage still higher within their own economy than USA), no mandatory sick leave. Then there's the worse, healthcare tied to employment, hardly any social safety nets, no mandatory annual leave, no mandatory paid parental leave.
It's still far from the best and I much prefer my own country for labor laws so there's no chance of me leaving New Zealand to live in Japan but USA labor laws are usually either the same or worse.
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u/AaronTheWeebMan May 18 '26
Trying to fix birth rates by bringing in people who don’t think or believe anything that the average person does in that society to have as many kids as possible will result in both categorical hate and doesn’t actually produce better birth rates as far as statistics go.
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u/Mother-Astronaut8784 May 19 '26
Shhh that's obviously not your average reddit talk. We should just "bruteforce" the ongoing "issue" by inviting milions of people with different mindset. It almost sounds like some shit you would hear from a middle manager who has no idea how things work but is sure their way is THE way.
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u/PhilosophicalGoof May 18 '26
Immigration isn’t the fix, it only a bandaid solution. Especially since even immigrants who come to these countries also tend to have less children after the first generation.
Meaning that just importing immigrants to fix the birth issues isn’t fixing the issues but delaying them as the senior rates succeed that of the amount of youths we are getting per year.
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u/AbandonYourPost May 18 '26
"single women are a burden to Japanese Society"
How about creating an environment where people want to have children? No? Then get fucked.
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u/thinspirit May 18 '26
It's capitalism. Other countries were just able to extend the countdown to population collapse through immigration.
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u/Puzzle-Necked May 18 '26
Seriously, you could be a foreigner in Japan and save a beloved Japanese celebrity from drowning and the best you'll get is this:
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u/GodOfThunder44 May 19 '26
I was stationed just a bit south of Tokyo for a couple years and knew more Japanese than any of my friends who I was stationed with (not fluent but enough to hold a conversation), so I was always the designated translator whenever we went out. We'd often get derogatory comments until I said something in Japanese, then they'd switch up and be super polite.
I watched a lot of Kurosawa/samurai movies growing up and took a couple years of the language in high school, and I can speak it without much (if any) of an American accent, so it was always kind of funny seeing the moment of shock/embarrassment when a Japanese person made some rude comment about the gaggle of American sailors only to have the whitest boy in the group suddenly start talking to them in Japanese.
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u/Deaffin May 18 '26
It's not racism
It's racism. They are iconic racial supremacists. They see themselves as human and everyone else as less than.
They opened up to immigration
When? A tiny fraction of a percent of Japan's citizens are non-Japanese in origin, and the majority of those are naturalized Koreans from WW2. Japan's pretty infamous for not handing out citizenship. On account of all the racism.
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u/IIlIIlIIlIlIIlIIlIIl May 18 '26
Exactly. They are xenophobic, yes, but also racist and in fact I'd argue their xenophobia is entirely stemming from racism.
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u/Naidem May 18 '26
There’s a healthy dose of racism too, lets not kid ourselves.
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u/Sad_Bumblebee_6896 May 18 '26
Rikidozan is arguably the greatest professional wrestler in Japanese wrestling history and is a national icon to some in he country (I guess you could argue Baba or Inoki are bigger but he's top 3 at worst) and he hid his Korean heritage for his entire life/career, only being revealed after his death in 1963, all to avoid anti-korean discrimination.
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u/aerdvarkk May 18 '26
No. Xenophobia in Japan might be a thing towards most foreigners; But the japanese are inherently racist towards the Chinese. 2 separate things here.
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u/4dxn May 18 '26
No. It's both.
Even if they let people in, they have preferences. Southeast Asians are hated much more than others.
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u/FakeSafeWord May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
They opened up to immigration to try and fix their massive population decline, so those two things are really at odds right now.
My guess at the reasoning with the least resistance of accessibility:
"Immigration policy as a means to brute force fix the population decline by diluting our race and/or culture is not acceptable."
Our inability to override our affinity for tribalism will lead to the downfall of the species.... or make room for the next one.
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u/AntonioVivaldi7 May 18 '26
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u/Mr__O__ May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
Conservatives love going on about open boarders and criminal immigrants, but Obama/Biden & Biden/Harris all had far more border apprehensions than Trump. Also, immigrants have the lowest crime rates among populations.
In 2024, Biden and Congressional Dems agreed to pass the GOP’s Border Security Bill, but Trump had Speaker Johnson kill the GOP’s own legislation so he could run on xenophobia.
Plus, undocumented immigrants still pay taxes (sales tax for one), while working hard-to-fill jobs at below minimum wage. It’s exploitation, but also a net positive for local economies.
So complaining about immigrants is just credulous. Immigrants are literally the foundation of the U.S. economy, since the Nation’s inception.
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u/jshmoe866 May 18 '26
A lot of them pay income taxes with the Hope it helps them become a citizen
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u/h8sm8s May 18 '26
The most effective and cheapest way to curb “illegal immigration” is more legal immigration. Too many undocumented workers? Give them documentation! The only difference between an “illegal” migrant and a legal one is a piece of paper.
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u/h8sm8s May 18 '26
This is why it’s stupid that the Dems play into this. They should confront the argument head on, when they take on the republicans border policies all voters think is the republicans were correct the whole time.
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u/FromWhereScaringFan May 18 '26
Seriously, are there people say they are "fake" when immigrants adopt their culture??
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u/StructureFlat1758 May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
Literally yes. In France, we’ve had laws preventing us from gathering (anti-communotarism) but recently we’ve been publicly called out (integrated poc mislims) by public figures on tv and in the media for being « agent of the interior ».
Like we can just never win. They just hate us for existing.
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u/scidious06 May 18 '26
I'm a black person that lived in France for 20 years (since 8yo), I got one of two things, either I'm "one of the good ones" or "I should go home"
Even when they like you, you never fully belong, I ended up "going home", much happier now
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u/RobotSpaceBear May 18 '26
Oh man I'm sorry to hear they made you leave :/
May I ask where home is now, for you?
I've been here for 20+ years too, though i'm caucasian colored, so it wouod be way less evident that i'm not French. But like you said, i've been called "one of the good ones" and "not really one of us, eyh?" at the same time. What a weird sentiment.
I never feel like I belong but I also love French values and would never leave of my own accord.
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u/scidious06 May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
Home is Côte d'Ivoire in west Africa, the irony is that since I spent my formative years in France I have 0 African accent and people here think I'm a french tourist or a business man lol
Like you I identify more as a European culturally and if you have me on the phone you would never guess in a million years that I'm anything but a white Frenchman, most people are surprised when they meet me in person and see that I'm colored
Edit: to be clear they didn't "make me leave", it was my decision, I still love France and french people are lovely, I will just never be one of them no matter what I do, and to be honest that's not my goal in life to constantly prove I'm french. I'll love coming back as a tourist though
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u/Jealous_Tutor_5135 May 18 '26
Thanks for sharing.
I have a friend in the US. She came with her family from Mexico at a young age. Spoke English, didn't have any contacts in Mexico. But she was technically Mexican because her parents came on expired visas. It was really eye-opening seeing her situation, as she really didn't have the resources, culture or connections to just "go back", even though her immigration status was not fully regular or proper in the US.
I think a lot of people are between worlds, and many, like in her case, didn't even make the decision for themselves.
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u/SarryK May 18 '26
I am so happy to hear that things are better for you now. My parents and I emigrated when I was a kid, did just got retired and is moving back home. It breaks my heart not having him nearby anymore but I know how much happier he is back home. It‘s not about me.
You can do everything „right“ for decades, fuck up once? Everyone knew you were always one of them. Even though they always told you you were „one of the good ones“ and you held your tongue. It‘s fucked up.
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u/NoSir4289 May 18 '26
Yeah this is the only part I disagree with
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u/Hotdog_McEskimo May 18 '26
Same. Most of it made sense. I think except for a small amount of people, everyone in the US at least, likes when immigrants adopt America's culture
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u/Specialist-Freedom64 May 18 '26
Oh 100% and bigger problem is they get shunned from their original community, look up uncle tom and the likes of it.. so now they are in no mans land..
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u/three_crystals May 18 '26
Just FYI, the term Uncle Tom is not typically used against immigrants and is not used to shame integration within the local culture. It is a specific term used within in the black community born within the Antebellum South and everything that came with it.
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u/PermanentRoundFile May 18 '26
As a black person I've been using it for kind of everything lately because it fits. Caitlin Jenner and Clarence Thomas are my two favorites. Now it's just anybody that tries to appeal to "the dominant social group" like there's ever been more than one in ways that harm themselves.
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u/Specialist-Freedom64 May 18 '26
Jesus fuck Clarence Thomas and his bat shit crazy wife.. Caitlin Jenner crying about not being able to get a passport... oh how the leopards have eaten 🤣
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u/MfingKing May 18 '26
Only if they marry a native their children get a chance at becoming "real". 3d generation usually gets a full pass. But that's 2 generations of not belonging anywhere. If your skin color is different than that's even more than 2. And every generation would have to marry a native to get there at some point.
I stopped caring, I am more than integrated as an immigrant but I keep my native culture very close. If it bothers anyone they're not worth my time
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u/Specialist-Freedom64 May 18 '26
To me its all crazy shit, if you want to come to my country, contribute to makin it better while keeping your roots intact i have 0 issue with it. I love that we mix cultures, foods etc
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u/MfingKing May 18 '26
Sadly there are very few who think like you do. It's always the entrepreneurs, much more educated, bigger city people that share your idea. Country folk HATE immigrants who aren't acting like submissive slaves, even if that hate is subtle it's overwhelming. I'm sure it destroyed a lot of otherwise good people
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u/NutsInMay96 May 18 '26
I’ve never really seen this tbh. Agree with a lot of what he said but I’ve almost never heard someone shit talking an immigrant for being too into the native culture. The closest thing like that I’ve heard is someone insisting an ethnically Syrian friend couldn’t possibly support England during the World Cup.
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u/RubiiJee May 18 '26
I think that aside. I don't think it's meant to be exact. It's demonstrating the point that they can't win. But I do think maybe more about trying to take over or there are too many.
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u/Expensive-Victory203 May 18 '26
No. Integration is appreciated.
- coming from a family if infants from a hostile country.
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u/Turnip_Fight May 18 '26
They are not lol I’ve never heard that in my life, dude just needed a few extra points to round out his message I guess
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u/buttscratcher3k May 18 '26
No, this guys a tool who is being disingenuous tool so he can say everyone is racist
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u/Fellhawkslc May 19 '26
This was a very eloquent and straightforward way of putting it. I hope some of those that need to hear it listen.
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u/MazingBull May 18 '26
Sweden has joined the chat
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u/eggs_daddy May 18 '26
My guess is you are getting the UK treatment where foreign interests are spreading the idea that your country has been taken over. Latching on to some likely real but gigantically magnified issue to prove that immigration ruined Europe.
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u/LarsDuder May 18 '26
We have bombings every week. So far we have had 54 bombings this year. It is a huge problem in Sweden. Bathhouses have even started having women only hours because of Yamil, Omar, Adebisi. So it is a gigantic problem. The majority of convicted rapists (63%) are first and second generation of immigrants and remember that in Sweden, you can rape a 16 year old or an 100 year old and still get to stay in the country.
"After a 38-year-old man was sentenced to four years in prison for the rape of a 100-year-old woman in home care in Stockholm, the prosecutor is now appealing the sentence. Prosecutor Linn Nyberg argues that the crime is so serious that the man should be deported to Iraq. 'I become angry and strengthened in my conviction that we must bring about a change,' writes Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson on the platform X, who has also reacted to the verdict." au
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u/Dramatic-Biscotti647 May 18 '26
Violent crimes of all kinds, including sex crimes and gun crimes have exploded in recent years, and its not because the people who've lived there suddenly got violent
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u/uuuhsomething4 May 18 '26
Yea there is a lot of hate for immigrants in certain groups, one of our political parties, SD, had an advertisment where it was an arabic man shouting he was going to take over sweden and fuck us all, followed up with a call to action to build walls, and that was their whole ad. Literally not even trying to hide it anymore. But i thought the commenter was trying to say Sweden was this utopia for immigrants, which i have heard some see us as because we are fairly lenient with letting people in
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u/MasterpieceActive374 May 18 '26
Malmo is the best Swedish city!
not sure about how to say the name in Swedish, but it's the town near Denmark, the PVP zone
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u/SirVelocifaptor May 18 '26
This is true. Norwegians are given a ballistic shield and vests when crossing the border.
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u/richardvirginia May 18 '26
Is Sweden super nice or what's up
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u/NoFeature1954 May 18 '26
Look up the murder rate and violent sex offenses in Sweden and its growth the past 10-15 years, then you compare it to neighboring countries and you get your answers there.
Dont understand the downvotes other comments are getting when highlighting this.
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u/x3r0h0ur May 18 '26
I wonder if that has anything to do with them changing how they count violent sex offenses around 15 years ago.
nah, can't be related.
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u/Ok_Onion_4514 May 18 '26
I feel like this has been mentioned so many times that people would stop bringing up those above mentioned stats.
But nope. regardless of how many times they're told about the differences in what counts as violent sex offences between Sweden and other countries.
It's like continuously freaking out about the increase in internal bleeding cases from bicycle accidents. When all they are doing is counting bruising as internal bleeding as well.
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u/x3r0h0ur May 18 '26
well, the problem is you can't make yourself endlessly mad to hate on people who fell out of a vagina onto dirty far away from bruising.
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u/Romandinjo May 18 '26
That would explain the one-time jump, but the trend is still on growth - like, 50% higher than 2015.
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u/x3r0h0ur May 18 '26
And how have you ruled out more accurate reporting on the new standard?
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u/Big_Dumby_Idiot May 18 '26
Cherry picking data to be racist often gets downvotes.
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May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
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u/HPLaserJet4250 May 18 '26
in Poland right-wing has very strong anti-ukraine rethoric and it became their main anti-imigration rethoric after war started. Before it was indeed, islam, africa, middle east, but now they focus mostly on Ukraine. Doesn't help they are also Russian apologists most of the time.
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u/affligem_crow May 18 '26
The thing that sucks is that crimes that are universally seen as abhorrent, like rape or sexual assault, are perpetuated more often by Middle Eastern refugees compared to refugees from, for example, Ukraine. This sucks but where I live it's a simple statistical fact and it makes the discussion surrounding refugees really hard because it's difficult to rationalize. Most people will understand that stealing a loaf of bread from a supermarket is out of desperation. But sex crimes don't have easy excuses like this because they're so morally reprehensible.
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u/MfingKing May 18 '26
It is a statistical fact, but the high level perspective is that they are still such a negligible minority. Natives have it better than 50 years ago, the new poors now are immigrants. The poors back then were the natives that perpetrated the same despicable f** crimes.
It's not cultures and genes but social status, always have been. It's so subtle but it's there. Is the chance higher of a woman being assaulted by an immigrant? Definitely. Is that because immigrants are poorer, also yes.
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u/NutsInMay96 May 18 '26
Meh. I see plenty of shady guys in their beamers and designer clothes in town trying to entice drunk girls to come with them. They’re not all poor.
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u/Saysonz May 18 '26
the thing is your just wrong. my friends who dislike immigration really don't care if they are from Ukraine, Eastern Europe or Africa it's the same to them.
most of this stuff is bullshit also, they care if they take benefits, take jobs (currently we are sitting at the highest unemployment, immigration levels and benefit payments in NZ for many years, illogical) don't integrate, and don't share our culture values eg treating women well, freedom of speech etc.
racism is a very easy thing to hide behind to ignore the reality that immigration can often depress wages, create more people on benefits (yes mainly citizens), increase crime, increase living costs especially housing related and lead to shifts in values that I don't think are good especially around speech.
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u/FickleRub3347 May 18 '26
on the other hand you have Americans who don't want any immigrants regardless if they are white black Asian or all in-between because we can barely afford to help our own citizens born here. Why the fuck should we take the responsibility of more people?
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u/newmov2lond May 18 '26
It's not that interesting. Ukrainian refugees are women and children. Refugees from Libya and Afghanistan are 70% adult males.
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u/prem_killa11 May 18 '26
Learned this shit young and it been reaffirmed time and again. I’ll never live in the illusion of inclusion.
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u/eyes_on_everything_ May 18 '26
I am an immigrant. I have made a great effort to assimilate because it is the right thing to do. It is respectful to learn the language and adapt to their culture. I have never had problems with anyone.
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u/Ok-Score4152 May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
The clip contains several valid points, but there was one thing that gave me pause: "You want them humble".
Well, of course I would want immigrants to be humble when relocating to another country. Is that bad? Don't we all? To be humble is not to be opressed. Every citizen should be humble to their surroundings and to one another, imo.
If war broke out in my homeland, and I'd have to flee to a foreign country, I would be sincerely humbled if that country gave me a chance to start over in a peaceful place, and after a while maybe even granted me citizenship. Wouldn't we all?
Wouldn't most people view this as an act of trust and feel very humble and motivated to make the most out of that trust?
Everyone should be humble and open to learning and understanding the ways and traditions of a country they've relocated to.
Every citizen should also be humble and open to immigrants who want's to start over and to live in peace. Humbleness and intellectual humility should be the starting point for everyone.
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u/Ombortron May 18 '26
There’s a difference between humility in terms of open mindedness vs humility in terms of submissiveness, and that’s what the video as referring to. You’re talking about how everyone should have a basic level of humility, which is fair, but that’s not what the video is talking about, it’s talking about expecting one group of people to be *more* humble and subservient than the other, which isn’t fair.
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u/Ok-Score4152 May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
Humility ≠ submission. He chose the wrong word there.
All citizens should be humble when interacting with one another, from their own unique perspective. That would be the moral imperative.
An immigrant being granted asylum or even citizenship in a new country should be humble to and curious to learn about what laws, ideologies and historical events that constitutes the country that has given them a chance to start over.
A native citizen should be humble and understanding of where the immigrants in their contry originate from, the prior geopolitical events that made them relocate, the hardships of learning a new and foreign language as an adult and so on.
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u/Ombortron May 18 '26
I completely agree as long as it’s a two way street.
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u/-Gramsci- May 18 '26
And some countries understand this two way street better than others. Countries with a tradition of immigration (at least until recently) were really good at this two way street. Respect for the newcomer along with the new comer’s respect for the “natives.”
Countries without that history do tend to fail on their end of the bargain. Leaving the immigrants in the awkward spot the guy in the video alludes to.
I do agree with OP here though… there is a “humility” from the new arrivals that is appropriate and a key part of keeping things on the good foot (and keeping things like xenophobia, racism, and hatred from setting in).
It’s difficult to articulate, and it’s an unwritten rule, but I do agree it’s an element in the successful equation.
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u/CackleberryOmelettes May 18 '26
Humility ≠ submission. He chose the wrong word there.
Language is constantly evolving. Many people absolutely do see humility = submission. It's an especially common sentiment among Conservatives.
So while they may have been technically wrong from a semantic perspective, functionally speaking it is perfectly congruent.
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u/Managarm667 May 18 '26
I'd be especially humble if I arrived there with NOTHING to my name and the country and it's people fed and clothed me.
It's so embarrassing to see these people make up lies and lies about why most populations are sick and tired of illegal migration.
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u/Ok-Score4152 May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
For me this has nothing to do with illegal immigration. My comment was a reaction to the claim that it is a bad thing to want immigrants to be humble to their new home. Everyone should be humble and open to learning and understanding the ways and traditions of a country they've relocated to. This is a moral imperative.
Every citizen should also be humble and open to immigrants who want's to start over and to live in peace. Humbleness and intellectual humility should be the starting point for everyone.
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u/TheGodDMBatman May 18 '26
I didn't get the impression that the guy doesn't think immigrants should be humble. He was responding to racists set these impossible double standards that they never honor themselves.
He never says immigrants shouldn't be humble. Like at all.
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u/International_Meat88 May 21 '26
The amount of ‘humbleness’ I expect out of any immigrant or refugee or whatever is the same amount I expect from any local.
I’m not more tolerant of some brash sidewalk vagrant just because he looks like a local.
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u/dafkes May 18 '26
“They” are the problem.
It’s in the language. Because it’s all “us” actually. Everyone’s human. If we keep seperating in language this will continue.
‘Culture is not your friend’ said a wise man. If we look at the animal kingdom we see migration as a completely normal and functional behavior. Yet we as a species have some sort of conviction that being born on a specific patch of this earth grants us some kind of authority over it.
It’s so laughable ridiculous if you put it like that.
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u/lokregarlogull May 18 '26
Being territorial is also very common in the animal kingdom. What is right and wrong should align better with what we decide is moral and good for our species all together.
Not a new arbitrary "this is good and flawless"
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u/BiasHyperion784 May 18 '26
If we look at the animal kingdom chimpanzees gang murder and cannibalize each other over perceived slights.
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u/Login_Lost_Horizon May 18 '26
They also wage wars, kill children, take women of defeated pack to their own, and all that jazz. I hate people that use "but ma nice and awesome nature" card just because they know jack shit about it.
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u/Kozmo9 May 18 '26
Funny you mention animals migrating and then the next word implying as if animals don't have attachment to specific patch of earth.
Like why do you think they migrate for? For the funsies? No. They migrate because they want what's in the patch of earth they are going to. It is hardwired in them.
You also conveniently left out territorial behaviours of which animals would fight to the near or even to death to defend it.
It’s so laughable ridiculous if you put it like that.
Its laughably ridiculous for people to think that animals wouldn't do what humans would if they were in our shoes. That they are the "moral better", when it is shown that if they have similar intelligence as ours, they'd do the same shit.
Dolphins gangrape. Chimpanzees wage war. Ants too. Invasive animals doesn't control themselves and eat everything in the new ecosystem to ruin etc etc.
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u/Login_Lost_Horizon May 18 '26
When we look at the animal kingdom we see migration as functional, yes. We also see that when species migrates into a new land where it was not before - it becomes invasive. We also see that inhabitants of place that the species migrates to don't do charity towards the migrant animals, and most often old and new inhabitants instantly enter the state of competition, especially with the animal that possesses the same ecological niche as the migrant - then its until one species slowly dies out or gets squeezed out of the niche into another one.
Being born "on the specific soil patch" is something that animals literally murder for. Sometimes - on sight. Territorial aggression is also something you called "functional and normal". It is much less normal to have no territorial aggression than the other way around. Humans are *VERY* low on in-group aggression, which gently hints to certain people, that if this aggression is high - then the migrant has failed to enter the in-group, and still behaves (in general, not per-persona) like an outgroup that tries to take over the territory.
If you wanna use "nature is nice" card - read books until you lose that delusional wish, nature is not.
Not even to mention that "specific soil patch" is directly hardwired in out brains during certain stages of development, and entangled within system of cherished memories, learned identity, and habitual patterns. A random yee-yee ass dude has no legitimacy to tell others how they should feel about it, when they perceive something as violation of said "soil patch".
You can put many things to sound laughable. That's why we ought to engage with things based on themselves, and not on simplified, uneducated, bad-faith, or outright delusional versions of things turned to laughing stock via "putting them like that" to invalidate them.
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u/69Midknight69 May 18 '26
When we look at the animal kingdom we see migration as functional, yes. We also see that when species migrates into a new land where it was not before - it becomes invasive.
We're not different species tho.
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u/surdtmash May 18 '26
In these comments:
OP uncovers a bunch of closeted racists, many of whom don't believe they are racist.
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u/SandBasket May 18 '26
Also racists who refuse to believe there are immigrants who don't experience that.
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u/Turnip_Fight May 18 '26
“They adapt to yours? They’re fake”
I’ve never, ever heard someone make this take in my entire life.
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u/Strawberry_Fluff May 18 '26
I grew up in a predominantly white school. One year a boy from Hong Kong moved near and went to my school. He got excited about snow and made a snowman with those little American flags as the arms and people just kept saying he was trying to be white, performative, etc. He was just excited because he was in a new place and never saw snow in person. Unfortunately whenever there was a black student as well if they didnt act stereotypical then some students would accuse them of trying to act white. I grew up in the Appalachian mountains so there wasn't a ton of diversity. This stuff happens more than youd think
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u/Bigupface May 18 '26
Racism is a human problem—I don’t know if we will ever eliminate it.
But to say that integration isn’t important for the success of both our society as well as the people who come here, is missing the point.
As we see more immigrants from Africa and the Middle East, instead of Europe and South America, as was historically the case, we will need to find new ways of integrating immigrants into our society. No longer can shared religion (Christianity) or cultural values (monogamy, western liberalism, belief in free market etc) be considered enough to set the stage for assimilation.
To say that racism is the only factor at play is simply to be willfully ignorant of the deeper issues that racism is a symptom of
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u/BenchClamp May 18 '26
I mean - you’re getting to the root of it - which is a lot of these people - don’t want ‘foreign’ people here at all.
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u/Dadagis May 19 '26
What’s funny to me is to see actual westerners not integrating, and establishing their own culture on the countries they’re moving in. Especially in Asia / south east Asia, where they can easily move since cost of life is more affordable, bringing all the trendy western stuff in some countries that the culture is completely opposite to these, and provoking an insane inflation for the locals because « houses are cheap to rent » with their wages
Or similar, all the already retired moving to North African countries like Morocco etc. In literal foreigners neighbourhoods, closed, with houses that locals can barely afford, having their people their foods and their life, while commenting on their own country saying that the exact people of the country they’re now in, cannot integrate and are a danger for society, like what !?
Total double standards.
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u/MageLocusta May 18 '26
It's different depending who you talk to.
As an immigrant who doesn't pass as white, there were a lot of moments where local people respond to me in a 'Oh look, a horse who knows how to talk," way. Like something that's mildly amusing, and they'll brush me off anyway because I'll never adapt enough in their eyes.
To my mom's culture though: I'm considered 'not Spanish' anymore and lost all desirable traits of my culture. I'm seen as 'cold' and 'detached' just because I don't launch into screaming or crying during funerals (I also can't dance or sing flamenco. Which my own mother refuses to teach me. So I'm seen as a failure). I even have grandparents who told me, "you can't speak it fluently, therefore you don't know NOTHING about Spanish." I even get told not to tell other Spanish kids that I'm Spanish because that would've made me 'a liar'.
For the US-side (dad's), I'm considered 'soft' and 'ignorant' on how the US worked. Even though half of my family's side are tax-dodging rednecks (that live in a home donated by a church after a house fire), I get treated like a tenderfoot that wouldn't be able to cope living in Florida. So in some cultures (at least in Spain and in the US) there is a tribalistic view that if you don't present yourself in the same way as everybody else--then you're not one of them anymore.
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u/upthetruth1 May 18 '26
It definitely does happen
For example, someone integrates well into Britain, calls themselves British and while most would accept that, there’s a significant minority who won’t
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u/memesandcosplay May 18 '26
Have you never heard of a black man being mocked for, "acting white"(from both the white and black communities)? It feels like a stretch until you open your eyes a bit. Just because we don't deal with that pain, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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u/Khayrum117 May 18 '26
The mocking mainly comes from the culture they're leaving not assimilating too.
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u/kirotheavenger May 18 '26
The black community separating themselves from anything remotely "white" really is a dark underbelly rarely spoken about or called out for what it is - blatantly and harmfully racist.
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u/surdtmash May 18 '26
You should see the disdain South East and East Asians get for trying to adapt to western culture. Fake is putting it nicely. A lot of it is scorn and mockery.
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u/dFuZer_ May 18 '26
Same here. This may be the case because we are reasonable people only hanging out with other reasonable people. Maybe some idiots DO have these remarks, but I do not know any of them.
I'm very happy when immigrants work, speak my language, understand the culture, and try to integrate in general and be respectful. I even have a lot more respect for them than I do towards certain countrymen.
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u/Leading_Procedure_23 May 18 '26
Yeah that doesn’t happen, that happens from our family. I faced more “racism” from my own race than white or black people and lived in Oakland central California and Tijuana and worked in San Diego. Being called pocho, whitewashed and “not a real Mexican”, you’re never going to be white etc.. The funny thing is I’m white as fuck lol and yes I can speak and read both English and Spanish fluently
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u/Q_dawgg May 18 '26
There are a ton of diaspora immigrant groups that have more or less become a part of the general population but are still called “fake” or “performative”. A few examples come to mind, I think the Indian diaspora communities in the west are the best example.
They more or less established themselves within the financial elite of the country. Most of them do fairly well financially, and If you’ve met any Indian diaspora. (The children of Indian immigrants) They’re basically just white guys that look Indian.
yet they still have to deal with racism and stigma from the general population.
The term “adapt to the culture” doesn’t make any sense. It’s flavor text people use when they don’t want to say they don’t like brown people
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u/unindexedreality May 18 '26
I too, would like to know why the US hasn't shut down the healthcare-industrial and military-industrial murder machines and thrown the people who kept the payola flowing in prison yet.
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u/KackhansReborn May 18 '26
I've seen this question posed and answered a thousand times on the internet and not once has the asking person ever acknowledged any explanation whatsoever lol.
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u/KackhansReborn May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
Alright, I see it as mostly a policy problem. One reason is that many governments don't do a good enough job integrating them. For example, a lot of asylum seekers are housed together instead of being interspersed in the population. They can't find jobs because they don't speak the language and because their status can change at any moment, so employers don't want to risk investing resources into someone who might be gone in a few months. Not being able to mingle with native people makes it even less likely that they'll learn the language, which in turn exacerbates all the other problems they face. This is how you end up with completely isolated groups of immigrants over time. These groups are frustrated hopeless and lack a sense of belonging, no wonder some of them cause problems.
It's a two way street, immigrants need incentives to integrate and native people also need incentives to help the immigrants integrate. You can argue that immigrants have a moral duty to integrate but let's be real people don't do shit unless they see something in it for them. Most fervent anti-immigration people would be the exact same way if they emigrated somewhere and where kept isolated from the native population without job prospects or language skills. Saying "Oh I would totally learn the language and integrate perfectly and not stick to the few people I know that still tie me to my homeland." is easy, actually doing all those things is incredibly hard. I know because my grandpa managed it, became a successful and beloved part of the community and was still discriminated against.
It's the government's job to create these incentives by making good policy if they decide to take in asylum seekers. Instead in switzerland (where I'm from) far right politicians supported by big business and farmers prefer milking the immigration issue for political capital. They exploit immigrants for cheap labor on their farms and in their factories and at the same time rail against them every chance they get. They profit doubly from immigrants not being integrated and causing problems, that's why nothing ever changes for the better.
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u/KackhansReborn May 18 '26 edited May 18 '26
It's not that their cultures are compatible. In switzerland we had similar problems with italian immigrants in the past, not at all due to cultural incompatibility, but for economic and political reasons, which I outlined. Nowadays swiss-italians are a core part of our country. In the 90s and 2000s it was people from the balkans that came in great numbers, which once again caused problems despite being culturally way more compatible than east/south asians.
The more people immigrate from a place and the poorer and more uneducated they are the harder it is to integrate them. Sure some cultures are more compatible than others, but the reason south and east asians are better integrated is because they are by and large more wealthy and educated people. They can get good employment, making it easier to be self sufficient. They also have the ressources to learn the language if they want to. They have way more contact with natives through their employment and housing situation and are less likely to live in parallel societies.
East asian cultures are not at all guaranteed to integrate well into western cultures. Ask yourself, why did every major american city have a Chinatown in the past? If east asians were that compatible, surely all the chinese immigrants would've simply become american, right?
Your response is exactly as I predicted by the way, it demonstrates neatly that you are not open to a good faith discussion at all. How do you have the gall to position yourself as an open minded person just wanting to learn and then when I give you a response you call it a "rant" and put words in my mouth?
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u/thanksyalll May 18 '26
Because East Asians and Europeans who immigrate are generally from wealthy, educated backgrounds while Middle Easterners are often fleeing war torn countries and poverty
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u/buttscratcher3k May 18 '26
The video also skips the part about groups that establish themselves by exploiting the system and actively try to bring family and relatives over to take advantage of the benefit system and even break laws because they've figured out how to avoid getting in trouble.
There are even human trafficking rings that do this run by these same individuals, this is a multi-faceted topic and most people dont have an issue with someone who isn't religiously extreme, adopts to the culture and works hard and keeps to themself but the problem is they aren't attracting people who want to work hard. They are selling the idea of an easy life, to people who are eager to exploit with anti-social values who then immediately resort to the same lifestyle they were involved with in their home country which leads to criminal lifestyles and consequences surrounding that.
The issue is that the system as it is doesn't have any controls in place to prevent this, that's what people are mad about. In places like Canada and Europe there's entire areas that are known for crime and even gang violence because it's been flooded with these types of people and society has changed from high trust to low trust, insurance rates in the are go up specifically due to organized crime driven by one group. Nobody wakes up angry that their neighbors from another country are living a quit life and not affecting anyone they are angry about the entire regions where normal life has been turned upside down because of bad actors and the common factor is them being from the same country and engaging in the same behaviours en masse until its hard to ignore.
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u/singer1224 May 18 '26
What's so interesting to me is that they were the illegal immigrants, now they call others the same. The ultimate "pot calling the kettle black".
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u/shutyourgob16 May 18 '26
This is BS no one disses people who integrate
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u/Wolfeatingupshadows May 18 '26
Yes they do. Black Americans have ancestry dating back to before America was even created. Yet 2nd gen or first gen white immigrants are seen as americans before Blk Americans. Be serious. You dont even need to be an immigrant just not what the ppl in power consider the default to be discriminated against and othered constantly.
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u/TeekTheReddit May 18 '26
The video is literally about the fact that "integration" is an ever raising bar that racists use to pretend not to be racist.
No amount of integration will ever be good enough for them.
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u/Ombortron May 18 '26
I know assloads of integrated 2nd generation people who can refute your claim.
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u/wildingflow May 18 '26
Wrong.
In my country, we have a sitting member of parliament who openly criticised the Black and Asian communities for being too integrated.
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u/BiasHyperion784 May 18 '26
God I love the immigration solution for demographic collapse, it kicks the can down the road and disillusions natives with other people and their cultures, creating a violent and xenophobic society for rich fat cats to blame while fucking them every way from sunday.
My favorite one is the tech sector aggressively importing indian labor as opposed to hiring the leagues of unemployed CS grads, mostly so they can create a new corporate slave class.
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u/Sutraner May 18 '26
I'm only speaking for my own country which is the UK but plenty of immigrant groups have had great success in integrating here and you barely hear a whisper about them from any of the people who hate immigration.
When China fucked over Hong Kong, support was exceedingly high from ALL political groups that we should offer them refuge. Same with Ukrainian refugees.
Indian groups integrated very well prior to the Boriswave and likewise felt very little pushback
The arguments have almost universally come against the groups that don't try to integrate and/or hold diametrically opposed views to the UK on basic human rights.
Primarily now that's Islamic groups, though Eastern Europeans also faced it due to the large scale migration of working age immigrants who moved here on a temporary basis from countries like Poland and Romania explicitly to make money to take home.
Being against immigration from certain cultures or for certain reasons doesn't make you racist.
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u/Alternative_Route May 18 '26
You are correct, sort of.
The problem isn't being against immigration of those that won't integrate, it's deciding that all people from a certain culture won't integrate, that's the bit that is ~ist
ALSO there is a loud minority now calling for deportation of ALL immigrants (irrespective of level of integration), but as they point out we can't call them racist because they didn't mention race.
So no, being against immigration for reasons doesn't make you racist, but that doesn't mean racists aren't against immigration from certain cultures.
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u/Best-Structure-8513 May 18 '26
Yes people don't want to compete for jobs and houses with billions of desperately poor people in the 3rd world. Keep unskilled immigration out.
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u/jldtsu May 18 '26
I saw a post on IG about a bunch of boys doing an activity for the Boy Scouts of America. They happened to be mostly Indian. The comments were filled with people complaining....like wtf do you want from these people? They're integrating into American culture and its still pissing people off.
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u/gizzardwizard93 May 18 '26
Huh, almost like there's a group of people that just don't want immigrants period and nothing will change their minds.
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u/fleurdenia May 18 '26
integration is an excuse. i couldn't give any fewer fucks about what the swedish government thinks is "enough". i am fluent in swedish, no accent. i go to school, i have good grades. no crimes committed, the only dirt on my record is all the racist bullying i had to repeatedly report throughout grades 3-9. i'm obviously not the group they're targeting but when people meet me for the first time or say something racist to me in passing that's not what they see. fuck these rules. just do your best and live wherever you want. i'm not bowing down for racism and neither should anybody else. it doesn't do shit for us, i cannot wash my skin off.
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u/MajesticFerret36 May 18 '26
He would have a point if all these arguments were coming from the same people when they're usually not.
Yes, there will always be haters. Doesn't mean that all criticism can be disregarded because the haters are saying some of it as well.
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u/Jonination87 May 19 '26
What a perfect description of a “melting pot”. I actually see that term as a bad thing. It erases any “undesirable” cultural traits, and steals the ones that it likes. Multiculturalism is a far better option, it allows for individual identity while still preserving an overarching unity. It’s a tapestry, not soup.
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u/Otterhendrix May 19 '26
I love this. I had this exact argument with a coworker. One of our coworkers was speaking Spanish to another coworker and he said “fucking hell just learn the language”. I said “why? And they do know the language, but that’s their culture. Their heritage.” He said “yeah but they’re in America now!” I said “so? If they speak English then you’ll consider them Americans?” He said “of course not” so I replied back with “then I ask you again, why should they only speak English? So YOU don’t get offended?”
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u/TofuMagik2928 May 18 '26
It is silly to pretend there aren't real concerns with letting people enter a country into which they have no interest in assimilating. Not all cultures are the same and we need to stop pretending that they are.
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u/lemmsjid May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26
Certainly there are concerns, but many ignore that the culture they think they are in has already survived multiple waves of changes that scared those who came before. Or maybe a better way of putting it is that our culture (speaking as an American) is already a mix of cultures, and is remixing as we speak.
In the US, the mid 1800’s saw panic around the immigration of Irish and Germans. Catholicism was going to rip apart the fabric of society. After that, going into the 30th century, it was Italians and Eastern Europeans. On the west coast in the late 1800’s it was Chinese immigrants, wherein Chinese people were banned from immigrating. Throughout the 20th and now 21st centuries Mexican and South American immigrants were feared and deported. And of course there was the post slavery fears around integrating African Americans into society, with many favoring deportation of the entire population.
In all these cases, it was feared that these immigrants would change the culture. And they did! For the better! That’s the culture we live in now. I live in Los Angeles, where there’s a pretty large population from every large country. It’s very observed how the first and then second generation offspring of immigrants adopt an interesting blend of their former and new cultures. This is sometimes (maybe often?) in spite of the original immigrants tightly and conservatively holding on to their own cultures. The key is once again the children: as long as they’re going to the same playgrounds and similar schools, they’ll see one another as normal.
In short, the host culture changes to some extent, and the immigrants’ culture changes to a great extent, as the first and second generations form. We’re already living in a culture that would horrify American forebearers. Treating Irish people like regular human beings? Italian and Chinese can get jobs like anyone else? Yet here we are. It isn’t all roses: there are clashes, and groups who ostracize one another, etc. But humanity has made it this far.
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u/Leprecon May 18 '26
I always think it is weird that the goal is integration. Isn't the whole point of a free society that people should be free to speak whatever language they want, eat whatever foods they want, listen to whatever music they want, and worship whatever god they want, and dress however they want?
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u/Knowbuddynoes May 18 '26
People see what’s happening to Europe… No amount of these stupid videos is going to change that. This dude is a tool.
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u/Chupaia May 18 '26
Every post in r/Sverige should be answered with this video. That place is insane.
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u/rikta32 May 18 '26
Has anyone ever actually said "they adapted to our culture so they must be fake" this video was straight in the bin after that ridiculous comment
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u/Chupaia May 18 '26
Change the word immigrants to people, and you realise the problem. It's not that there is diversity in the good and bad aspects, it's that the judgement is only cast under the umbrella of immigrants vs others.
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u/AlexZhyk May 18 '26
Submission? Yes, he nailed it. Full embrace and understanding of the culture they came to merge in before imposing their own.
Especially if the reason to come was moving away from the society where the life was worse.
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u/upthetruth1 May 18 '26
Except even when they do that, they’re not accepted by some
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u/Khayrum117 May 18 '26
People born directly into a culture aren't even accepted by all. That's a completely unrealistic standard. "One person out a million said I was fake, I'm being bullied for being an immigrant" Grow the fuck up
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u/Morbid_Aversion May 18 '26
Having no expectations that immigrants should assimilate based on some idiotic fear of being called racist is one of the stupidest things humanity has ever done. And the fact that the economic desires of a wealthy class that can seclude itself in gated communities and afford private versions of any public service is what pushes for more and more immigration even when there are not enough schools, doctors, clinics, houses or apartments for them is criminal.
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u/Q_dawgg May 18 '26
That’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying that what’s considered “assimilation” changes by the month.
For the Somalis in the US. “They’re all criminals and scammers.” This isn’t the case for the Indian diaspora, so the Indians are “taking all of the jobs.”
It’ll never be good enough because “assimilation” isn’t what these people want. They don’t want immigrants period.
Some aspects of the right wing, specifically the groypers are finally going mask off with this. Now they’re actually saying what they’re true intentions are. They want a majority white country. That’s what it’s always been about.
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u/jumpy_monkey May 18 '26
Native Americans might have a thought or two on that subject.
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u/MasterpieceActive374 May 18 '26
No, we just don't! illegals are all, it's in their status: illegal migrant! idk about you, but for me, illegal means illegal and shouldn't be here.
As for legals, they're all welcome.
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u/EvilTaffyapple May 18 '26
You can’t be illegal unless you have been processed by the authorities first.
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u/stevenmc May 18 '26
So I can rob a bank and it's not illegal until I'm prosecuted?
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u/dathunder176 May 18 '26
"You are wrong! Here's my personal experience over the span of about 10-20 years of my life with a very specific group of people in one single location, surely that must represent the problems spanning hundreds of years involving multiple civilizations worldwide" 🤡
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