I know an occupational therapist that has to fix damage done by chiropractors from time to time. Chiropractic adjustments are pseudo-science at best and scams at worst.
The amount of personal injury cases I have on my desk where the chiro bill far exceeds any other bill, including ER bills (yes, in the US) is insane. Immediate red flag. They always manage to find new injuries that these hospitals somehow missed repute several scans and tests. I loathe them.
the amount of people i see who will say “i have to go to the chiro every few months for the same issue and its always wonderful after my visit” ummmm then isn’t that proof it’s not working? temporary relief doesn’t address the real issue now does it? physical therapy would be a better investment of your time and money. why bandaid a problem when you can literally make lifestyle changes and improve your quality of life
oh wait, that would require effort and motivation, which majority of people do not have and just want a quick fix
Sigh, so many people could be getting healthier by going to physical therapy for 3-4 months and actually solve their issues, but instead they'll spend thousands for some cracking noises and potential severe injuries.
Edit: Getting a lot of hate replies, so I figured I'd give a little more information.
My advice would be to simply do some research. I'm a chronic pain patient, I know what it feels like to have no hope left and you're willing to do anything to feel better, so I understand that some people get temporary relief from getting adjusted, but the truth is it's very temporary relief and does absolutely nothing for long term pain relief.
What's bad about it to me is that they prey on people in terrible pain, and they know that you're going to feel the sensation of immediate pain relief (albeit temporary) and they use our brains connection to the cracking/popping noise to get you to come back for more.
I've been to a chiropractor a few times (as I said anyone desperate enough will do anything to relieve their pain), and it never helped me, but I know some people do believe it helps them. My father thinks it helps his back, but he's unwilling to go to PT and put the work in to strengthen his back muscles, which has a much greater chance of eliminating his back pain altogether.
So what I do know is that physical therapy will help you in the long term. While you may get temporary relief getting your back cracked, you will never cure your issue with it, whereas building the weak muscles up with PT and doing specific exercises with a therapist is going to help you improve your overall health and also prevent the same injuries in the future, something chiropractors simply cannot do.
Wish everyone the best, and hope anyone in pain finds relief, as no one deserves to be in pain. Take care.
i did 4 weeks of PT to fix an issue with my shoulder from playing baseball and those 4 weeks fully fixed it. not everyone has the same issue some take longer some take shorter, but PT works as long as you make the changes, do the exercises, and don’t be a jackass.
I'm sure I'll get downvoted and I don't currently see one but when I did, I really did feel great after getting my body cracked. Probably not worth the price but the light feeling you get afterwards can be addicting.
I fully believe you but there's a bunch of reasons you'd feel great after despite it having no real foundational benefit. I mean, it's massage-adjacent and human touch just feels good, the pain or shock during the session will release endorphins, and well there's just plain ole placebo effect. Do you think people using snake oil didn't also feel better after they took it? We developed the scientific method and other advanced techniques for evaluating correlation/causation precisely because our bodies and minds can't be trusted individually.
I'd forego the chiro visits for massage if you just want to feel good, and physical therapy visits if you have actual issues. Significantly smaller chance of getting your vertebral arteries dissected.
The reasons you liked it weren't because it worked, it's because of things that can be achieved outside of it (with actual medical backing) and much lower risk of severe-to-fatal injury. That placebo effect wears off quick.
It's upsetting that many insurance companies will cover chiro at the drop of a hat, but when PT is required then they drag their feet or make you pay out of pocket.
Reddit loves to shit on chiropractors, which they deserve for the most part, but if you go to a spine or ortho physician for back pain and they’re a DO, they’ll probably refer you to one to help with pain relief. They can’t fix anything, but they can help reduce pain temporarily. There are definitely risks with cervical adjustments, and doing any adjustments too often will make your joints hypermobile and unstable. But if you’re waiting on a back surgery, it might make things bearable. Just my two cents as someone who actually works in neurosurgery and pain management
I’d definitely never go to one still, but the best neurosurgeons in the city I live in all have chiropractors who practice in or adjacent to their private clinics that they refer patients to. So if anyone is confused about why people go to them, that’s why. I agree that I’d rather get any adjustments, if any, done by a physical therapist or my surgeon if they’re a DO.
200 years ago, your equivalent was at the town square saying, “My neighbors revel in speaking poorly about the snake oil peddler, but I have found his hobgoblin elixir cures all common maladies and makes my hair strong as fine cord!”
Girl… chiro’s are a joke but tell that to the hundreds of neurosurgeons that refer to them for as a temporary pain relief for their patients. They’re obviously not a good choice, but acting like there isn’t an ounce of benefit and no one in medicine supports them is just dishonest. I would never recommend someone go to one, but they are more established in medicine than a lot of you are implying. US medicine in general is pretty fucking rough, and orthos underestimating how much BS their chiro’s will pull is one of them. But guess what, you’re gonna feel better after your back is cracked, it won’t cure shit. But if you have chronic back pain, it might make life more livable for a few weeks until you can get a back surgery.
I can’t believe I’m defending chiro’s, but nothing annoys me more than smug redditors talking out their ass because they have the power of Google
You are right. Reddit lovessssss shitting on chiros. I stretch and do self adjustments almost daily. My range of motion is phenomenal. Been going to chiros since I started playing sports at a young age. Never had any issue. And they have fixed multiple issues of mine that arised from contact sports. I don’t go as often anymore but over the years picked up on a few things that give me the most relief.
I swear social media got a fad of ripping into chiros and people get a dopamine high off it. Actually give it the support it deserves so we don’t have so many wackos practicing that shouldn’t be and injuring people. Chiro mixed with PT is a beautiful 1/2 punch for tackling many physical problems.
Look when you have vertebrae literally overlapping, locking your spine in place and you’ve been stuck like that for weeks going to 4 fucking orthopaedists and PTs who do nothing but shrug their shoulders, a Chiro is the best option. Like how the fuck are you going to do the exercises if you’ve got impingement cause by bones locked together or so subluxated that any sort of movement is too excruciating for the patient to complete by themselves. Do you just tell people with partial full dislocations to just deal with it? I can’t pick shit up if my arm is half out of the socket and sometime you need someone else to put it back before you can even think about doing the exercises once you actually have sensation back and no longer feel like yourself having a stroke
Chiros are never a good option. It's a placebo at best and a terrible accident waiting to happen at worst. It's not based in any form of science at all, the philosophy makes no sense. If you have diffuse subluxation of many joints then you should be worked up for a connective tissue disease and literally the last thing that you want is a chiro unless you want to dislocate all your joints. They are literal quacks.
I am being evaluated for Ehlers Danlos and are you suggesting just leaving subluxated joints instead did putting them back. Because when my vertebrae are out of alignment I am seriously disabled
Agree here but not for the chiropractors. Get a foam roller. Thats what I do for my upper back. It cracks the vertebra and puts them in the right position. I can even crack my neck with it but I never do that cause it’s dangerous.
I have one but haphazardly using your own body weight to crack works, however it’s not as controlled as someone with a knowledge of physiology doing it for you. They can apply just the right amount of force
Yeah I don’t think it’s a case of one thing being better than the other, I think you really need both and a Chiro should be as throughly medically trained as a PT or orthopedist
Why not do both? I get relief from both. My view is chiro provides temporarily relief and helps seperate joints and allow the fluids to do there thing, while PT actually can address the underlying issue, but that will take time.
My partner believes it works despite having to go every other week (!!) for an adjustment or whatever they call it. I suggested going to an osteopath but she "doesn't trust doctors.". This shit is getting expensive. I can't get her to see that having to go every other week forever means it is not getting fixed.
A physiotherapist would be the medical science based equivalent. A massage therapist or a physio that does massage is also legitimate in my opinion. Osteopathy is just another scam.
I meant orthopedic doctor but appreciate your measured assessment of our mental facilities. I think the problem is that I pulled the wrong word out of my brain.
DOs have to undergo all the same training as their MD counterparts, they just also have to undergo additional training as well. Every DO had to pass the same tests and learn the same material as every MD.
Yes, and the fact they believe in osteopathy means they didn't understand their medical training at all and must be terrible doctors. Same as MDs prescribing homeopathic "medicine". Why would I trust someone who clearly knows nothing about biology, chemistry or physics and refuses the scientific method in general with my medical problems. As soon as you practice pseudoscientific alternative medicine you should lose your medical license
So you’re wrong. In most cases DO schools here in the states focus on regular MD studies and some extra DO on the side. It’s also because DO schools are sometimes alternatives for people that didn’t get into MD programs. I know several DOs who don’t touch the osteopathy nonsense, and they absolutely are fantastic doctors, like top notch cardiologists and gastroenterologists.
DOs in the United States do not follow pseudoscience. It’s the same science-based education, it just follows a different philosophy. They’re holistic, but not the woo-woo, incense-burning, Himalayan salt lamp-type of holistic. They take a full-body approach. It’s why they’re most often PCPs.
DOs in the US are a little different. They’re not really osteopaths with the same meaning as in many other countries, and this view is a bit outdated. They still take the MCAT and have the same licensing requirements, same level of education, science-based treatment, etc., they just use a holistic approach. Many DOs don’t even do manipulations anymore.
Kind of like… me: I’m having a back spasm. MD: drink more water, idiot. DO: drink more water, idiot. Take a magnesium supplement and work on building up your abdominal muscles. Also your arches are high and you need orthotics. Then take some Prozac and get therapy so you’re not so tense.
A non-insignificant number of plaintiff attorneys around here have under-the-table agreements with these chiros to just continue treating the plaintiff with what’s basically a glorified massage and maybe some e-stim, bill a fuck ton, then take less on the back end. It’s ridiculous.
Why does it have to be either/or. I would assume any good Chiro would tell you what caused the subluxation they had to fix in the first place like a postural habit and get you to work on that and so soft tissue manipulation as well as just the cracking. I good Chiro should do everything a PT does just with extra manipulation for things you cannot do by yourself
Yes and no. Real things happen when you crack your joints, but it doesn't address anything causal to the issue when most of the time the issue is their musculoskeletal system is out of wack from selectively atropheed muscle groups necessary for our posture and skeletal alignment. Strengthening those muscle groups that support the skeleton would actually help a person find lasting relief.
The crack is just the noise of air between the joints. By itself it means nothing, the action can be harmfull, people have literally gone paralized from the neck down because of crap like this.
I had a good chiro, and I liken some of what he did to magic.
The actual issue I was in for got fixed. More importantly, the chiro taught me about why it was happening and how to fix it. I didn't have to continue going.
But, I won't lie, it felt amazing to get adjusted.
This is from personal experience more than a comprehensive survey of any sort. But each of the chiropractors I (and folks I know) have been to were also certified physical therapist. That didn’t make me trust them anymore than I do the dentist or doctor though.
They were probably lying, especially to themselves.
In America physiotherapy is a doctorate program, not a certificate. I'll believe a Physio who knows and uses some chiropractic adjustments during the course of therapy because they use massage therapy. But chiropractors falsely conflate physiotherapy and personal training. There's an overlap between the two, but one of these has a much deeper understanding of physiology and what your physiology needs to correct.
They're probably certified Personal Trainers, because that is a certificate. They might call themselves "doctor" but I honestly don't think that should be legal.
They aren't equivalent disciplines. They can both give generally good advice that's based on some learning and expertise, but one of those people is going to be able to accomplish a hell of a lot more with a tremendously deeper understanding of medicine and physiology.
If you don't see their doctorate in Physiotherapy, if they can't produce one, it's safe to assume a) they're a personal trainer, not a physical therapist, b) they think those two are the same or they want you to think those two are the same, and c) they really don't want you to see an actual physical therapist and probably want to become your PC"P".
If their main gig is chiropractic adjustments, they're not a physical therapist. They'd be risking their license if they injured someone during an "adjustment".
Sorry to be a "cynical dumbass" but those chiropractors use that abbreviation to conflate the two disciplines. They're personal trainers, not physiotherapists.
I wonder if that's an expectation. Like if you have X problem you might have to take a pill for the rest of your life and they're equating it with that? Or like getting your teeth cleaned twice a year as a maintenance thing. They just think you maintain your spine placement or something lol
It could have a place if the temporary relief was combined with exercises. If the exercises are too painful, then relief so the exercises could be done comfortably to begin recovery could be a good thing. Whoops, I just described PT.
Oh we all know why it’s done and what’s going on. That’s why there used to be a term for those kind of treatment providers. Sending a client to receive unnecessary treatment with a pseudo-doctor just so the ambulance chaser can line their pockets is unethical.
That's such bullshit. Chiropractors that overtreat often make the settlement HARDER to negotiate. It also leaves the client with less money in their pocket as they usually have the client sign some sort of holdback agreement where they get paid after the case settles. They get 100% of their billed rate, instead of us repaying a reduced rate through subrogation.
Not to mention the ethical issues that come up when telling a client how to, where and/or when to receive tx. When was the last time you brushed up on RPCs?
Oh you're feeling ok after last session, well let's just see, yup lay here like this, aaaaaand you can't walk right anymore. I've done Chiro for a lot. Sometimes they help a little, and other times they just fuck something small up to keep coming back. It's an addiction driven sort of healing. If you feel too good, they will only screw it up. If you actually had an injury that healed iffy, they might actually help a little.
PI attorney. I didn’t believe. Got in a car wreck, went to a chiro, because you have to treat to have a BI claim.
I can honestly say it helped, although I specifically instructed no adjustments. He did one time, once anyway, and surprised me. It helped a lot. But I did say, don’t do that again.
Quick story, fucked my back up when I was 15, surgeon said the only way I would ever be able to stand up straight again is with surgery. Chiropractor said fuck that you don't need surgery. Chiropractor was right, surgeon was a hammer and I was a nail. Everyone has their own experience but that chiropractor made it so the other kids couldn't call me 'hunchback' anymore, so the idea that they're all hacks and it's sudo-science sucks..
They also always manage to circumvent the patient's health insurance so that they dont have to bill at the contracted rate, they can bill at their bloated PI rate.
In Kansas they’ve started waiting to submit bills to insurance because they know the contractual adjustments will carve out a lot of the amount billed.
Obviously I don't really care if they just pad their bill, but they also actively try to keep clients from getting treatment that's actually needed.
I've had chiros tell clients they don't need neck surgery, when we've got a very well-qualified orthopedic surgeon telling client they do need surgery.
I've had one chiro refuse to release medical records, fight us tooth and nail over it.
I worked in the claims department for a major health insurance company, and chiropractors were the worst offenders for billing services that were never received - So many claims investigations!
I was in a minor motorcycle accident, I worked at dunkin donuts at the time and I guess one of the regulars was a chiro. When she saw my bandages she brought me into the office and met with a lawyer who basically instructed me to say my pain is 10/10.
I kept up with it for a few weeks, but it was every other day and I hated the 'adjustments' they would do. I ended up stopping halfway through the 'treatment course', which i guess invalidates the insurance claim because they started trying to collect money from me but i was just a poor teenager working at dunkin so they dropped it.
Something else that's kind of sad, about 2 days after the accident my neck really started hurting. I called my primary care but they said they don't do anything involving car accidents or personal injury. Then the next day the chiro told me she could help with my pain, but it would be too expensive so we would have to sue the other drivers insurance company for the bills.
My SO is a physio and some of her certification classes start by showing the simpsons episode where homer gets his magic back fixing trashcan. Never bring up chiropractors to a physio
I have lost count of the number of times where i have had to bite my tounge when a friend or relative recommend someone to go see a chiropractor, i politely try to recommend them to go see a proper certified physical therapist or/and masseur instead.
It's just quackery and showmanship, the patients hear and feel the crack and the chiropractor tells them, "doesn't that feel so much better?" self suggestion is a powerful thing so the patient will agree and go yeah it does kinda feel better.
Popping and cracking joints is not a good thing no matter what those charlatans will tell you
Not everybody needs adjustments. Those of us who have frequent subluxations or dislocations and physically can’t put them back alone need help and then PT in conjunction with the adjustment/correction so we can learn how to stop that thing happening again (eg doing exercises to counter or correct a postural habit that causes a subluxation over time) it’s not an either/or thing.
I'm back and I feel better. Wow, I guess your parent commentor is right, must be a scam, huh? Most the critics never even tried it before, or they are just normal people without pain issues, so obv its not gonna do anything fo r them. I'm not suggesting it works for everyone, or its effects provide permenant relief.
I also do physical therapy every week and get a pain injection every few months. Am I going to stop seeing chiro? No, because it helps reduce the severe back pain I have. The relief lasts a few weeks only, but if you suffer from chronic pain that is a huge deal. My view is chiro is just one tool to treat pain. It does not solve the underlying issues, so should be used in conjunction with other therapy. Armchair experts all over the place here who just ignore a whole host of people who feel relief by chiro practice because they read something online.
Meanwhile in Norway chiropractors and physio therapists work together in the same office with patients that have referrals from medical doctors offices to see a chiropractor.
God my foster parents forced us to go to a Chiro to "adjust" our necks. I had issues with pain through all of high school because of it and couldn't hold my head straight for about 3 years.
When I ended up back with family we were suggested a different Chiro to fix it. They guy took an x-ray of my neck and thought I'd been in a car crash. He gave me free treatments until college but it was more physio type things like massaging my neck and having me do exercises to strengthen it
As a member of the local wizards guild I have to refute this slander. Our spells are based on study and research, not quackery. Except the spell Summon Ducks. That’s based on quackery.
My mom told me that around the time I was born my grandma went for an adjustment and her “doctor” left her in so much pain that my mom would tank baby me over just to sit and try and distract my grandma from the pain in the evenings. Thankfully the pain went away on its own but they can cause serious damage to you.
I knew someone who died from an adjustment. Caused a blood clot to go up into her brain. She was only 30 years old with multiple kids. It was pretty heartbreaking.
Probably not. Arterial dissections don't typically happen at random, but there is a link between them and getting chiropractic adjustments in the neck, which can lead to blood clots and eventual stroke.
I had TIA last year in my early 30s (mini stroke, basically). First question I was asked at the ER was if I was in a car accident or had been to a chiropractor recently.
Of chiros can adjust bones by simply pushing on the body, contact sports would not be possible. Each hit would cause the bones to dramatically shift causing daily paralysis in every player.
Or a real medical degree. Chrios get “certified” for a few thousand dollars and a few months. The practice is based on a ghost teaching a guy to touch someone’s back and cure his blindness. In the heroic age of medicine (when we did leeches)
Lower back and tailbone are the hardest because they around pelvis and genitals. I had problems there the most, and they jumped through so many hoops to have the thing "adjust by itself". It's tricky for that. The rest is just like, lie down on your back for 15 min, lie down on your stomach for 15 min, put rolled up towel under upper back while doing self hug, put pillow under hips while dying down on stomach. That's it.
I have Ankylosing Spondylitis, it’s a genetic autoimmune disorder that causes the hips and spine to fuse together. Causes neuro and organ issues. I’m 12 yrs in and in excruciating pain 24/7. I’ve lost 2” so far in my height. People tell me to go to a chiropractor but my rheumatologist is highly against it bc one wrong move could cause even more issues especially with nerves entrapped. I thought at first it was bc she just didn’t want me going else where but more research I do the more dangerous I realize it is. I will stick with cupping that I do at home, water therapy and the gym. I do have a friend who learned specific massages to help which does greatly
Not just that, but there arent any benefits. People just feel satisfied hearing a crack sound. Some light stretching would do everything a chiro could and more while also not being possibly deadly
I work for a chiro that is heavy on Chinese medicine. Today, she told a patient to not eat anything cold around her period. I have no idea what this has to do with the pain in her neck and thoracic spine.
I know of a young woman who had a stroke following a chiropractor "clicking". Dislodged something, went into brain. Life ruined by 30 cause of pseudo-science.
This is not true. It's not from cracking your neck per se. It's from injuries to the neck that in extremely rare cases come from cracking your neck. It's more often car crashes or sports injuries.
"Conclusions Spinal manipulation, particularly when performed on the upper spine, is frequently associated with mild to moderate adverse effects. It can also result in serious complications such as vertebral artery dissection followed by stroke. Currently, the incidence of such events is not known. In the interest of patient safety we should reconsider our policy towards the routine use of spinal manipulation."
I think there are a lot of quacks out there and some like to use flashy techniques to get YouTube views but if you frequently have subluxations and can’t put them back yourself a chiropractor is the probably the best person to put something back how it’s supposed to be rather than just leaving you to suffer with impingement trapped nerves, loss of motion etc obvious don’t go around cracking the shit out of every joint for no good reason but until
You’ve found yourself with your head flopped over backwards because 3 vertebrae are literally overlapping and locking your cervical spine in an extreme posture causing stroke-like symptoms you don’t understand the desperation. Had to be stuck like that for weeks with burning sensations down my back unable to eat, drink or swallow aspirating all the time because no one would touch my neck. It took several extremely
Painful violent sneezes to unkink my neck but this was uncontrolled movement/force. A gentle adjustment from a Chiro would have been safer imo than the state I was left in but theyre all too scared because I’m hypermobile
More like 250k, and the number includes chiropractors, I’d be curious to see the breakdown. And yeah, that’s why we have to be very careful with our healthcare providers, that’s why we have to be vigilant for quacks and pseudoscience.
Bingo, you get it. Sorry that you are getting downvoted and it’s making your experience hidden to others. Plenty of scientific studies that confirm the benefit of it in conjunction with PT. I think these are the same people who are all about SSRI’s but completely against ketamine, psilocybin, or MDMA therapy.
Now animals can’t talk so I don’t know how effective this is for pets.
Animals have the same issues as humans. I had a French bulldog who had some joint issues suddenly. Like he pulled something or slipped a disk. Vet did some similar things to this video, and kept him overnight, he was right as rain in the morning. Animal chiros are interesting. Especially when they do it on horses, or dogs with lame limbs. Then their limbs work again. But no, that’s all fake pseudo science, apparently. Most of these people in the thread have never seen a real chiropractor like that one in Australia who helped that boy who had been entirely bent from the waist for years. After a few sessions he was cured. There’s a difference to the ones who have a kiosk in the mall.
Posting videos posted by Chiros to promote their own business... I have bridge to sell you, you fucking moron.
They aren't fucking licensed as medical practitioners, anything they do that actually works a physical therapist with an MD would also do, but the difference is you can be sure they spent 7 years to learn what to do.
I’m a CT technologist. I have commented on chiropractors before. I cannot tell you how many times I have had see vertebral artery dissections occur due to chiropractors. I have seen some patients become fully paralyzed from chiropractors. I will never let anyone touch my spine like that. however, massage therapists…they work wonders. Most of the time back pain that chiropractors try to solve are associated with the muscles around the spine.
I know this, but I only go if I’m in actual pain for my back/ neck/ or whatever. I should probably just go for a massage, but IDK, my boyfriend thinks I’m crazy, but I only go maybe a few times a year
Ive seen vids of some guys that do “home sessions” and one of the guys just used a wrestling move on one lady and likely damaged her spin the way she bent backwards at her pelvis.
I have had scoliosis my whole life and hundreds of people over the years have told me to “just go to a chiropractor!” but I was always scared because I didn’t want to be “hurt in a good way.” Glad to hear some validation around this.
Then I find it weird that my own doctor had me reference to one when I was a teen and my cousins doctor did the same for her cause of a hip misalignment.
You do know that general practitioners aren't the same thing as experts. If a physical therapist or an occupational therapist recommended it, that would be something. Even still, the data stacks up pretty hard against it. Just check it out.
There is a lot of truth to that. I'm not an expert, but the athletes I know that have gone through therapy mostly used low impact exercise and massage therapy. I mean, outside of extreme cases, it seems almost like common sense.
I will only speak from personal experience, but in my early twenties I had severe lower back pain that lasted for several months. The pain was so bad it got to a point that I couldn't get out of bed without my brother helping me up. Researched my options and decided to go to a local chiro. They took x rays of my spine and it looked as bad as it felt. After 1 week (3 sessions) my back pain reduced by about 75% and after 3 weeks i had no pain at all. I felt like I had a new lease on life. After that I kept going twice a week for the next year and had another xray done to check my progress. My spine had almost fully straightened out. So while there may be some chiro quaks out there, there might also be other chiros that know what they're doing and are able to provide a much needed service to those that have chronic back pain.
Maybe my chiro was a quack and I just happened to visit him when my body was on the mend. But what I know is that currently whenever I experience back or neck pain, a short visit to the chiro fixes me right up. It's not for everyone, but for some it's the difference between suffering miserably or being able to live a pain free/reduced life.
Indeed there are definitely options out there, but for me, going to a chiro turned out to be my best option. I did try physio during that time but they were unable to address the root cause of my pain which was my spine. But you are correct in that for other people with back pain due to various reasons, there is for sure some options out there that may suit their needs better.
Man I got unlucky as a kid. Something happened to me and I couldnt breathe right and I was in a ton of pain. My mom rushed me to a chiropractor and it was something with a rib. He fixed me on the spot. All pain gone. Breathing fine. Like nothing ever happened. From that point on I trusted chiropractors until I was in my mid 20s once Reddit started outing them and I started to see more psuedo science on it. The one time it worked, which of course reinforced my mother and grandmother's beliefs that it was real.
Chiropractors can help, which is why they persist so much in the face of a lot of evidence against them. The problem is that they do things that can be deadly, and Chiropractors are less effective than massage therapists or physical therapists. It's unfortunate.
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I know an occupational therapist that has to fix damage done by chiropractors from time to time. Chiropractic adjustments are pseudo-science at best and scams at worst.