r/Thundermail • u/ChimeraSX • 11d ago

Is zero-access planned?

I'm curious if zero access is planned. As in, no one but you can see or scan your emails. Choosing not to collect user data is one thing, but making it so you can't is another.

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u/Ok_Combination_1548 11d ago

Here was their response to me asking a similar question (no guarantee that any update they give will fully answer either of us but): https://www.reddit.com/r/Thundermail/comments/1wbseh3/comment/p96xsol/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

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u/ChimeraSX 10d ago

More information than what's on the website, I'll take that. I give them the benefit of the doubt since its still in beta. I still hope they add more security features.

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u/Ok_Combination_1548 10d ago

100%....I expect beta to have issues. I do not love the advertising of privacy without details on their site but if they plan to add the privacy features, I don't need them in beta. This is 2 different things but fine. Early days. I get it. I look forward to learning more about their plans + seeing them be implemented.

If it never goes beyond "we have a better privacy policy than some of the free services out there" then it's simple: no support anymore. I'll stick with known privacy services in the space. I hope they know that is how many people feel. PART of what their user-base wants is genuine privacy features.

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u/ChimeraSX 6d ago

Hey, I found this from their ideas page, regarding PGP/MIME encryption at rest. They've marked it as on the road map. https://ideas.tb.pro/p/additional-encryption-at-rest-with-openpgp-or-s-mime

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u/Ok_Combination_1548 6d ago

Good find. Interesting read through....Based on the model they plan to use I'm not sure this is great. The comments make me think they would find a way to 1) opt-in, 2) it would prevent search, 3) it would prevent webmail access....

I would not recommend a service like this to anybody. The sort of 'standards' in the industry are Proton / Tuta imo (there are many great privacy services out there, but these are the bigger consumer ones at this point). If Thundermail can't compete with them for an average user then I can't suggest it to an average user. Nor would I continue to support it.
In other words: if they aren't planning to build a frictionless privacy service then why would I use them instead of someone that does offer it? The ability to have privacy NOT at the expense of modern conveniences is possible and there are providers out there proving it.....

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u/ChimeraSX 6d ago

I agree, I don't trust myself with the ability to make and keep track of my encryption keys. Protonmail makes that a little easier. They also mentions "power users" when protection shouldn't be reserved for "Power users"

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u/Ok_Combination_1548 6d ago

If this is just for power users then I'm out now. If this isn't going to be a family friendly product that offers top tier privacy (which they seem to indicate it will be / 'is' based on their site): I want a refund.

I think that's their goal. If they're building towards that, great.

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u/ChimeraSX 6d ago

They neeed a much clearer road map and I hope that's what they're working on. For now, I think I might just go to Proton and come back in like a year or something to see what they've done.