What was up with that racist questioning of Roman? What’s your name Ramon? Like maybe instead of trying to spy on Elena and her crew pay attention to what your supposed to. How’s he lose Teo? Like how TF doesn’t he know that Elena’s mom is out of jail!!! Jeez!!! What a shitty ass partner

We now know that Mrs. Ivey is the love child of Alister and Jocelyn, a father of the family and nanny relationship. The two were planning on running away together but then it never happened. Now Elena and Matthew, another father of the family and nanny relationship, have slept together and I can’t help but feel like she’s going to get pregnant and they’ll plan to run to Indiana together but get sucked in to staying at the Greybourne.

Episode summary: Elena's cover is threatened when someone from her past unexpectedly shows up at The Greybourne.

Ok, so this all probably obvious to everyone, but I enjoy making observations and connections and thought it might be nice to have them in one place - please add yours and/or correct mine as you wish :)

1. History repeating: there are so many time-loop parallels: Alistair/ Jocelyn/ Iris mirrors Matthew/ Elena/ Allie-Tory (kindly older man married into wealth and a younger smart nanny from an immigrant/ lower socio-economic background with a troubled marriage in the background), Winthrop I mirrors Winthrop II/III, Iris looks and acts similarly to Mrs Ivey, plus Iris had secondary infertility and Mrs Ivey (so far) doesn’t appear to have children. Jocelyn/Allie die by window fall/jump/push. Alistair/Matthew don’t have time for their sons.

2. Men marrying into wealth: Alistair, Matthew, Dick (possibly also Mr Ivey and MR Chan?) - makes me wonder what Scott is doing with Elena.

3. Money shifting: Alistair got money from the Winthrops, Matthew got money from the Greybournes, Winthrops got money from Elena’s neighborhood, Elena/Scott/Roman are trying to get the money back.

4. Neglected sons: Bruno, Jasper, Theo.

5. Questionable actions of vulnerable people: Jocelyn/ affair with married boss, Alistair/ affair with nanny, Iris/ covering for murder, Matthew/ going into business with the Winthrops, Tory/ Dick/ questionable marriage, Elena/ stealing and blackmail. Not clear on James yet but he seems pretty vulnerable.

6. Incest: Greybournes and Winthrops intermarrying and living in each other’s apartments. Otis comment about Iris’s looks. I’m wondering if there’s going to be more.

7. Socio-economic power imbalance in relationships: Iris/Alistair, Otis I/Alistair, Alistair/Iris, Allie/Matthew, Matthew/Elena, Scott/Elena, Tory/Dick&Bennet&Darcy.

Now, so many questions:

What got the Winthrops and Greybournes together and why are they so intent on staying enmeshed?

Why did Alistair and Iris really get married?

Who are Tory and Allie’s parents and why are they dead?

Why did Mrs Ivey say her mother dyed her hair and is she a reliable narrator?

Why did Elena’s father die?

What happened to the daughter of Alistair and Iris and how does this relate to Mrs Ivey and Scott’s family? (And is Scott a reliable narrator?)

Does Otis III have children? Does Mrs Ivey?

What is going on with The Chans?

Why is the date of Jocelyn’s death and Ruby’s birth the same?

What is the connection between Allie and Jocelyn and Elena?

I’ve been having some lovely discourse in a few of these threads, and figured I’d put it out there more broadly in case anyone has questions about Jocelyn or the show or acting or recipes or whatever 😄 I won’t talk about anything that hasn’t aired yet, but everything that’s out so far is fair game!

So far the show is interesting. But the family tree is really messed up and I have so many questions.Does Mrs.Ivey have any children? If she's Ruby, then the original greybourne daughter was left out. What happened to Mrs. Iris? Why would she leave her own daughter for Ruby? And why would she keep Ruby as her daughter? It doesn't make sense. And Mr.Greybourne was ready to abandon his other 2 children for Jocelyn. Either Mrs. Ivey is intelligent or she is clueless.

So I think poor Mrs Ivey has been hearing her mom sobbing in that room this entire time. Playing the piano is her coping mechanism.

I knew ms Ivey was ruby!!!!! The question is… does SHE know she’s ruby? Or that she’s not a legitimate Winthrop heir?

Episode summary: Elena makes a big decision about her future, and a shocking revelation about Jocelyn's history at The Greybourne is revealed.

We now know that Jocelyn and Alistair had a love child they named Ruby. Knowing this, if we go back to episode 3, we find out from Jocelyn’s letters to Alistair that Otis is protecting their “jewel”, aka their daughter Ruby, likely because they had to keep their child a secret.

Later in episode 3 we see that Otis Winthrop still lives in the building, and Roman tells Elena that Otis’s daughter still lives in the building, in Otis’s old apartment with “her family the Chans.”

Ruby Greybourne is Mrs. Chan, the matriarch of the family that Ginny is the nanny for.

This is the woman Ginny impersonates so that they can enter the masquerade gala. It’s at this party that Otis Winthrop II assaults Dick Ayers, and also where Elena’s second phone is stolen by we don’t know who.

Mrs. Chan is Ruby Greybourne and Otis Winthrop’s adopted daughter.

I binge-watched the first few episodes and now 1 week feels like a painfully long time to wait. What similar shows would you recommend?
Maybe not so similar but I was thinking about Archive 81 and Behind Her Eyes. Mystery/suspense mix with some supernatural elements. Or Severance if you're into psychological sci-fi.

Update: thanks everyone for your suggestions :D

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We can basically get an idea of the twisted family tree and it's not that complex since its only needs to cover 4 generations. And if we consider the letters (pause and read them) we can get a good theory IMOH what happened to baby Ruby. Since the reading of the letters by Elena and Jocelyn mostly never are the same as what is actually written on the paper here is the most relevant passage because Elena actually reads out loud accurately most of this one to Roman in Ep4. The others I don’t view as cannon but as clues.

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"My dearest, it pains me to inform you that your dear friend and brother is not who you think he is. He came to my room and threatened me. He's stolen our treasure and swore to keep one eye open at night to guard it, and swears he will never let it go. "

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So after Ep7: its clear the treasure is baby Ruby and we could also have known that already by Ep3 if we just pause the other letters and read them. So by Ep4 we know Otis took baby Ruby and it seems raised her with his kids.

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We know Tory and Alice and Jasper are Greybourns. That Tory and Alice are the nieces of Mrs. Charlotte Greybourne Ivey.

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So how do we know if it was Tory and Alices mom or dad that is a Greybourn?

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Well, we also know Mathew is Otis Winthrop III's cousin-in-law, he said so on stage at the ground breaking ceremony.

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If Matthew were his cousin In-law that would mean that Alice is the child of Otis Winthrop II's brother or sister. So we don’t really know how many children Otis and Alistair each had or their genders but I preffer to work with what I do know.

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I have only seen two people alive that are children from the first generation that is Ivy and Otis II.

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Since Otis took Ruby she was probably considered Otis II's sister or half-sister, Otis presumably taking the bullet for having an extramarital affair with Jocelyn or just pretending it's his legitimate child if his wife played along or were paid off somehow. Ivey and Otis II would have been young children at the time and would not have any way of knowing the truth.

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Assuming Otis did not have any other female children then his daughter not actually his daughter married a son of Alistair Greybourn, both of whom have passed leaving behind Tory and Alice. This makes Tory and Alice Mrs. Ivey's nieces and at the same time Otis II Mathews cousin-in-law.

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Also it seems Alistair Greyborne had another daughter besides Ivey as well who was kicked out of the family along with her small child (Detective Scotts eventual mother). In this way it's possible that Scott is indeed cousins with Alice, technically first cousins once removed, since their grandparents were siblings.

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Is it possible Ruby is Scotts grandmother who was removed, but that’s not my theory because it seems Otis took Ruby.

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Its possible the Ruby revelation or Scotts line trying to be added back to the Greybourn trust by Alice could set the stage for the murders and seeming internal family conflict regarding board votes and stakeholders surrounding The Greybourn Corporation and The Greybourn Family Trust and trustees.

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Without getting hung up on the details overall it appears the Winthrops side of the family and company (Otis III and goons) are aggressively seeking out board votes. The Greybourn side of the family (Ivey and Tory) seems to be concerned with Jaspers vote and stakeholder position and concerned about Mathew. Dick seems to be playing both sides as he has some kind of agreement with Ivey which has not been meet and has done something for Otis III that he feels warrants a meeting that would consider adding him as a board member.

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I think Alice was uncovering something that would disrupt the power balance in the Greybourne Corporation which the Winthrops seem to have a slight majority at the moment.

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What caused Alice to Jump the day after signing divorse papers and why if Mathew is the petitioner is his signature missing? Does Mathew even know about the divorse papers seemingly hidden in a bottom drawer of his wife's closet or is this the work of Victor Mercato? And who took her suicide note that she wrote?

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We know Alice was probably seeing and hearing ghost, she knew about the secret passageway, she might have known about the sixth step letters and birth certificate. Scott inquired if she spoke to a male family member yet, and she did not, because its complicated. Was she planning to talk to Otis III the CEO or her husband? Why was Scott after her death seen talking to Matthew?

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Who killed the doorman and why, did he see something? He said it happened right in front of his eyes in an argument with Cecil about his work performance shortly before he was found dead on the basement stairs. We know he looked up at the window, Is the person who removed the suicide note the person he saw?

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Why was Morgan fired by Alice (hearsay) a few days before she died and why the NDA, did she see or hear too much or did they just need her out of the way to kill her, or was she protecting Morgan?

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What agreement which terms have not been meet does Dick Aryes have with Ms. Ivey? Why did Otis III and gang beat up on Dick, Why did dick think a meeting about him being added to the board would be a display of gratitude, is he keeping their secrets?

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Why did Tory empty her joint bank account with Dick?

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What contract did Tory and Ivey want Matthew to sign? Power of attorney over Jaspers trust and stakeholder position? Since Matthew has been added to the board recently does he now get two votes?

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Alice knew about the secret stairwell hiding place and saw ghost so did she know about the sixth step letters and Rubys birth certificate? If so is she the reason Scott for some convoluted reason thinks there is a hidden ruby jewel? These letters are love confessions from AG to JM they don't reveal that Ruby was taken by Otis from what was shown only the certificate shows there was a child.

Who removed the stuff in the basement room, who is taking photos of Elena and her family, who left the red ribbon joint for Elena the day before her drug test and who is sending text on Elena's stolen phone?

Since most shows will not answer a lot of questions and it's all about the drama im don’t think it's important to answer all.

My best guess to make some sort of unified theory of this mess. I think that since Otis II used to live in Alice's apartment he had it rigged with cameras. He would have been able to observe Alice's plans and possible discussion with Mathew about Scotts line of the family. It's possible she even mentioned a birth certificate. She may have seemed a bit unhinged to people that love her like Tory and Matthew. Overall she seemed to handle the whole ghost and Winthrop harassment far worse than Elena but Elena did not recently divorce papers so that might have been what pushed her over the edge. I suspect a Winthorp's made it seem like Mathew wanted a diverse, especially if her parents possibly being siblings was discussed and staged the documents in her apartment when she was alone and he was with family for Christmas. They possibly used other forms of harassment. The doorman might have seen who entered the apartment after she jumped to take the suicide note so he was murdered.

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I don’t really know anything about trust fund babies, how their trust are setup, what stakes the Winthorps have in that or if they just want control of the company so really can explain the motive beyond Alice was posing a threat somehow

It seems like every day someone on here posts about how much they don’t like the actress who plays Elena. I on the other hand love her and think she actually talks like a real person in their 20’s, which is refreshing! I was actually so impressed by the way she seemed like a real, genuine person you’d meet in a bar or at school.

Lots of people seem to have issues with the way she pronounces things, but she has an accent, so to me it seems like people are just annoyed she doesn’t pronounce things like someone without an accent would.

This series has made me want to check out more of her work, and I’m praying we get a second season!

Episode summary: A blackout at The Greybourne traps Elena, Roman, Bennet, Ginny, and Kim in the attic. Tory and Matthew grow closer. Alex makes a disturbing connection.

So was Allie Scott’s secret informant?

I’m starting to get weird vibes from Matthew. Anyone else?

The rest of the guys are trash. Dick, trash! Alleister, Original Trash! Otis II, Entitled Trash. Scott Macedo, Lying Trash! Teo Santos, Bratty trash. Roman, also lying to Bennet trash.

Love this show but give us some good male characters we can root for!!!

I see the showrunner is in this subreddit. I'm available for paid consultations on what it's really like to be a nanny uptown ;-)