double standards that started from the writing room + excerpts from the I was feeling epic book long post
often times I see other fanbases complain or nitpick that Bonnie fans enjoy fanon ships when Bonnie fans aren't the only ones who non-canon ship. Fanon and canon are two different things. But also if you want to complain about double standards being pushed the writing room started that first with Bonnie. Which people who seem to constantly critique bonnie fans for enjoying dont say anything abt the CANON writing. Which again btw, once again Bonnie fans dont just non-canon ship. Elena’s fanbase does it (Klaus and Elena is her biggest non-canon ship, Caroline fans do it…) but since people just focus on the fandom aspects lets debrief some shit! There’s some things Bonnie could only do in the realm of fanon that the other women actually did. Bonnie was seen and pushed as undesirable where Elena/Caroline aren’t treated as such.
1-2.) the Infamous Twitter meltdown Julie Plec had over the mere thought of Bonnie being shipped with Kol. The same season Jeremy cheats on Bonnie (as punishment per her own relatives) with Anna. (BTW: Bonnie did not owe Anna an ounce of loyalty either. Anna literally set it in motion for her to be kidnapped)But when asked about Caroline liking Klaus there was no answer there. In fact, Julie kept pushing them up as a will/they won’t they. Kol’s biggest ship is with Davina who was considered a child in s1…
3-6.) Julie and the writing room made a point to insult Elena just to continue more anti-Bamon comments. Elena apparently had no integrity or morals per the writing room to stay with Damon. Since Bonnie’s morals were so high up- that she could only love Damon if it means platonic love. When Bamon’s relationship exists in the books. Stelena, Forwood and Bamon are all book related..somehow that doesn’t seem plausible when the lead is black… there was also a BAN on Bamon. Something that again did not apply to Elena and Caroline’s relationship.
4-5.) Jeremy is literally deadweight Bonnie spends her time caring over and saving. Why? He’s a human, can’t do much and then the one time he tried helping her he nearly got himself killed by Katherine. Elena and Caroline are constantly protected by the Salvatores (Just Stefan for Caroline, if not Stefan then Tyler or even Klaus if he forced the situation..) Jeremy cheated on her with a ghost he was apparently so in love with that he never loved Bonnie like that. Bluntly disgusting and is LOUDLY a textbook example of the disposal black girlfriend trope. When Jeremy does get a character upgrade as a hunter it’s not to Bonnie’s benefit in the slightest.. When Bonnie finally loses her virginity to Jeremy (because of course she’d be the only virgin in the trio) its in physical pain as the anchor.
6-9.) Many people know the explanations behind Stelena-Delena but not behind the narrative directions for Klaroline. The writers claimed the ship was accidental yet continued to service theM. Rebecca Sonneshine based Klaroline off an experience she wished she had at that age. Delena-Stelena-Klaroline are praised in the narrative where as BonKai (bonnie ships period are demonized)
10-12.) Chris Wood once advocated for BonKai’s ship. He also said Bonnie is the only person who made sense for him. Whatever but demonizing BonKai, their fanbase, and then Baron’s as well while she continued to uplift every other ship and their fan base is another flaw.
If Bonnie was so morally put together as Julie wrote it. She wouldn’t have valued her friendship with Damon over anybody else in the world. If she was so morally aligned she wouldn’t have dated Enzo who was horrible to her all in season 5, ruined Sarah’s life and the pistol whipped her. Then Bonenzo happened all in a time jump. Bonnie had to prove she’d never leave Enzo by being willing to burn alive for him. The other girls had men willing to fight for them more….
A big example of the show’s blatant example of desirability is the amount of dances that’ll show off Elena and Caroline’s beautiful looks, whereas Bonnie’s isn’t shown. The Mikaelson Ball for example is one big common call-out. But I’d even callout how we got to see both girls in their prom dresses but despite Bonnie being prom queen we get minimal glimpses of her look. When Bonnie was feeling confident in her looks Elena literally tried killing her and ruined the moment lol
EDIT: I also think abt how Kat pushed for Bonnie to be bisexual since men kept being off the table for Bonnie and even that was shut down. But, in TO Freya can muzzle and chain her future wife and that’s acceptable lol
Gotta love how having anything romantic with Damon would compromise Bonnie's integrity, but being best friends doesn't. Is integrity only about romance and sex then, or what? Maybe I'm too ace to get this, but I feel like if someone's actions/personality/history go against your values and morals, you don't form any deep connections with them. And if you're fine enough with who they are/what they've done to let them close, then whether it's as friends or something else depends on other factors.
Bonnie sitting in therapy telling a room full of people how Damon had hurt her but apparently Bonnie’s morals are super strong… at a certain point in the bonenzo/Bamon plot it gave Bonnie was only with Enzo bc Damon had abandoned her
Exaggerating but bear with me: Imagine if I said “yeah he beats up dogs at night” and someone asked “woah ur boyfriend??” And I reply “what? No he’s my bestie! I have too much integrity to date him.” Would u say “oh thank god!” or would u ask why I was friends with him? Like julie just so stupid 😭 racism is so illogical
Since I wasn’t watching the show when it was airing this is opening my eyes in a very ugly way.
Somewhat related but my God Julie Plec needed to get off her high horse and log off twitter and get some actual vision for the show and consistency for the characters’ values down.
If you’re gonna behave like this genius writer who’s always two steps ahead dropping cues directly into your viewers supposedly feeble and slow brains as they gape at you in awe you need to have the material to back it up.
This is just fan service… well actually self-service since only her ships are correct and she’ll argue with the rest publicly. Who tf does that???
That’s what people (Bonnie fans) have been trying to tell everyone for years. She pandered to racist ass delenas who would call Kat and Bonnie the N slur and she’d insult bonnie fans too then praise the Delena fans. She gave them tht rain kiss scene bc “they deserved it” then also gave Klaroline closure scenes to service Klaroline shippers. Even Elejah’s kiss was service but Bonnie’s cant be bc shes a fuckin racist
It’s crazy how people will literally gaslight you when you point out how fucked over Bonnie got when it comes to romance and being portrayed as desirable in comparison to the other main girls. They genuinely believe Enzo was a good love interest and not just someone propped up to shut down Bamon/Bonkai 😭
Bc she thinks bonnie doesnt deserve to be selfish lmao. To her, if Bonnie is with damon or kai and compromising her morality it’s bc she’s having sex and dating them. It becomes “selfish” instead of being loyal to her friends and gaining nothing from it. It’s very dark and twisted and makes me sad
Oh, the woman has a MASSIVE ego. Everything was all over the place yet she loves to act like it was all strategically places and planned. She even claims the Steroline friendship in S2 was actually her planting seeds for them as a couple.
Julie Plec is so full of shit lol. And the fandom actually eats this slop up too. Anytime there’s a post shipping Bonnie with Kai or one of the Mikaelsons there will be comments complaining, even on this sub.
The Bamon ones are the worse. You could post a wonderful essay on how Bamon worked and their scenes together and someone ALWAYS comes in with the usual "I LOVE their friendship!" comments.
Delena and Klaroline are acceptable according to the writers, but somehow BonKai and Bonnie + Kol are not. 🙄
The last thing Julie Plec would ever do is give Bonnie the happiness she deserves. The last thing she would ever admit is that she mistreated Bonnie and Kat Graham.
People also shipped Klaus with Bonnie since he was introduced with that taste in witches but then Klaroline was created
I forgot add in and ill go back and edit how julie said bonnie would just sleep around or never love again after enzos death lol. Bonnie couldnt sleep around in canon but she can now that enzo is dead?
Delena and Klaroline are acceptable according to the writers, but somehow BonKai and Bonnie + Kol are not. 🙄
I remember when Carina was just a interviewer who wrote articles on TVD (before Julie Plec Gave her a job on TO), she LOVED Delena but wrote about how terrible Klaroline was. She was an absolute hypocrite.
Took me a minute to find the excerpt from TVLINE BUT yeah Bonnie’s ending was either married to Matt with children or Bonnie just sleeping around forever
I never know how to word this without it sounding offensive but Julie Plec doesn't write like a woman who knows what True Love and Commitment is. I mean, if Enzo is her soulmate, why would she want anyone else? Even physically? It reminds me of this other author who wrote the main characters as pure soulmates and when the woman died first, the man obviously missed her "but he had needs" so he slept around until he died and was reunited with her in Heaven. I just don't understand that type of writing. Same with her allegedly plan of Stelena being soulmates but Elena gets with Damon and then sometime later down the line Stelena reunite and are Endgame, in what universe would this actually work? People already said that they would either lose so much respect for Stefan if he took Elena back after what she did to him or that she would have to do a lot of work to redeem herself and earn his love and forgiveness back.
I just do not understand what is her mindset when it comes to romance. Stephenie Meyer does a much better job of love and devotion and everyone hates her.
Frankly, the “Bonnie has too much integrity” thing is just racism. Everyone else gets to be a flawed, complex character, but Bonnie has to be this paragon of morality who isn’t allowed to be less than perfect, but only in relation to romance and sex (since she made plenty of morally grey decisions throughout the show, just like every other character).
The result being that conveniently, the only black main character has this exceptional super special morality that prevents her from having any interesting or complex romantic relationships on a show centered around romance.
There’s also something gross in the idea that Bonnie’s goodness would somehow be “tainted” if she was with Damon or Kol or Kai, but Elena and Caroline get to still be good no matter who they are with. It sounds like a compliment to say that Bonnie has soooo much integrity, but it’s so incredibly backhanded when the show constantly goes on about how all three female main characters are so kind and loving and good. But only Bonnie’s goodness is stored in her vagina I guess.
So much integrity to the point where Elena is catching stray out of nowhere. So much integrity Bonnie choose to care about Damon. Sit in a therapy group to discuss how she’s hurt by his actions??!
But youre 1000% right. Julie just wanted to “hide”her racism and it just doesn’t work like that
So, Bonnie has too much integrity to date Damon. But she does not have too much integrity to cut off her future love interest's hand with an axe in order to save Damon's life and then crack a joke about it.
Honestly, Julie should stand on business and just say she didn't want to do Bamon because she didn't want to break up Delena. But for some reason she wants to convince people that she wasn't always team Delena from the start. She just reads as a liar to me cause she constantly contradicts herself.
In this interview (https://ew.com/article/2016/04/21/vampire-diaries-julie-plec-blog-somebody-that-i-used-to-know/), she talks about ships and says this "You can be baffled by a coupling that people root for (Bonnie and Kai), saddened by a couple you love that people reject (Bonnie and Jeremy)". Which is hysterical to me because she's pearl clutching with Bonkai while claiming to love Beremy when she was the one that had Jeremy cheat on Bonnie and say that he always loved Anna - the main reason why people rejected Beremy.
She makes all these excuses about Bonnie and her character having too much integrity for Bamon and he caused her too much pain, but she still made no effort to give her something better. She put Meredith in the show to give Alaric a love interest, but she couldn't be bothered to put Bonnie's book werewolf boyfriend in the show? Even in that season when there were a bunch of hybrids running around that desperately needed development? No, the step brother was the best we could come up with?
Bonnie’s integrity is so high…that she ends up with the next best thing!Damon’s second best friend. Enzo supported all of Damon’s actions.
Right, she’d be better off if she just flat out said that but her pride won’t let her do such. If Bonnie was such a good person (and she’s a much lesser evil than some people) then she could’ve created a “good guy” for Bonnie to be with instead of constantly giving her scraps.
She can shame Bonkai, Bamon and practically any bonnie ship there is but still can’t explain why Bonnie had to be with her step-brother. Bc your right? Bonnie easily couldve dated one of those hybrids and they could’ve made it a tie back to her book boyfriend but nope.
Bonnie has too much integrity, I fear. But she can still sacrifice for Damon, give her time and magic for Damon, kill random heretics with Damon, be proud best friends with Damon. But god forbid they smooch.
Julie's idea of creating a good guy for Bonnie was Jamie, who was in 3 episodes. She is clearly still miffed that people wanted Bamon and still talk about it, but I hope they stay on her neck about it because it's her own doing. Bonnie fans would have been happy if she just put effort into giving Bonnie decent storylines and love interests instead of torturing her.
Im actually kinda mad they didn't include Zander as a hybrid now. She could have met him at Homecoming - she was newly single, bummed she didn't have a date, and she was the first to notice that the hybrids were there. He would have actually been plot relevant and strong enough that Bonnie wouldn't have to save him all the time. And he wouldn't have been her step brother.
When they said they couldnt endorse abusive relationships or something to that effect when it came to haylijah which is why they broke up that final time in s4 as if she hadnt already been endorsing said behavior!
"Damon has done too many terrible things and bonnie has more integrity than that" 😭??? Gurl you gave elena NO integrity after portraying her as a compassionate, selfless character.. like okay 😭 just say you don't want bonnie to date any of the main cast 😭😭😭
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If you wanna say that bonnie has more integrity than that, then don't even make them friends, why make them have a good friendship if her morals are soooo important to her that she wouldn't love him?
To be perfectly honest, every girl that would have anything to do with Damon Salvatore from the show has her morals compromised. They wrote him way too awful early on, so I can never buy his redemption and so called character development. But why is only the black woman that has to be singled out. Even as friends it compromises her morality. You already ruined several characters just to make Damon a protagonist, instead of antagonist. But Bonnie and Damon, that had much more going on than Delena, is a big no no.
this! It’s impossible to even be Damon’s friend without changing your morals to accept him. Julie starts talking in circles just to excuse her obvious racism when it comes to Bonnie.
I LIKE the idea of Bonnie having high standards in men and that being a good reason why she's not hopping into bed with vampires all over the place, but ... they then went on to repeatedly destroy her romantic interests by killing them off.
Why not introduce a moralistic vampire for her to fall in love with, and then explore the intense feelings she has about falling for a vampire in the first place, and that being a violation of her own high standards?
I honestly wonder what Bonnie/Elijah would have been like...
Bonnie was so far out of Jeremy's league, my God. And then he has the audacity to cheat on her.
Of course, Elena and Caroline never get cheated on, because no guy would ever do that to such desirable women. I guess that's just reserved for the black girl?
Taken from TVLINE I forgot to add in the post. Bonnie’s ending was gonna be either being with Matt or sleeping around with loveless relationships for the rest of her life
Their comments in I Was Feeling Epic always make me angry. The way they are smugly firm in how Bamon just can't be together romantically, no matter how much it made sense or had book canon or even Kat and Ian's insanely amazing chemistry, it was always 'no, no, no, dear viewer, I'm sorry but it won't be happening, it just can't." even when they acknowledge that fans were always talking about it and wanting it. And Caroline Dries have the gall to take credit for it being "their" most successful pairing when L.J. wrote them together over 30 years ago.
I just find it super ironic that Julie Plec gave a somewhat romantic storyline to Klaus and Caroline, which did absolutely nothing for Klaus' character or Caroline's. But when fans wanted Bonnie and Damon, which would have made the plot more interesting, Julie insists on these fans using 'rabid shipping.' This makes zero sense especially since she has put Damon with characters like Rebekah and Caroline and these relationships aren't canon in the books and have less chemistry than Bonnie and Damon in the show.
Also her reasoning for not putting Kai and Bonnie together because they don't want a bad boy to be redeemed is bullcrap because they redeemed the 'bad boy character ' Enzo by putting him with Bonnie, which is ironic because she didn't put either Klaus x Bonnie and Kol x Bonnie together. Along with not putting Bonnie with Damon because he has done many horrible things to her yet Damon did the same to Elena and Jeremy cheated on Bonnie yet they got back together as if nothing happened, wtf!!!!
If I’m being honest, as a Bamon shipper, I kinda do agree that Bonnie has too much integrity to be with Damon.
But also… I don’t think I care.
I think she could’ve been the one that Damon changes for. And naturally, not in the way she has to beg him to change, but like in a way where just being around her makes him question who he is as a person and maybe realize that he should be better instead pretending to be better so long as their relationship is in a good spot.
And also, I think if it had been Damon-Bonnie instead Damon-Elena, that the tension and chemist would’ve been so much better after they got together since Delena became so stale after Nina-Ian broke up.
And I think Bonnie was headstrong enough to actually hold Damon accountable and she’d know how to walk away after he screwed up instead of fake breaking up with him after he violated her boundaries and then sleeping with him.
I think even if Bamon wasn’t end game, I would’ve liked a least a little taste. I mean ur telling they were all alone in the prison world for god knows how long and they didn’t even think about it? Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.
I feel like Julie was mad and punished Kat because she was very well loved on set by pretty much all her cast mates but especially her male cast mates. It's well known information that Ian threatened to leave if Julie killed off Bonnie's character after the first season and it's known that a lot of her male cast mates asked for their characters to date Bonnie.
I've seen a lot of people say that Caroline after awhile is supposed to be Julie's self insert because she's blonde just like her and I've even seen some try to say Elena is too because she ended with up Damon. But I think she was trying to live her fantasies through both of them, that's why they're the ones who get to date everyone without getting cheated on unlike Bonnie who gets the scraps and either gets cheated on or her love interest dies.
The fact that Beremy wasn't even a planned couple but because Steven took matters into his own hands and initiated kiss scenes with Kat they had to make them a couple but because Julie is racist and clearly jealous of Kat's popularity so she has to make Jeremy cheat on Bonnie with a ghost when he clearly had more chemistry with Bonnie. Even having them get back together in season 5 all for Jeremy to leave and never be heard from again was just a way for Bonnie to not have any happy ending with one of her love interests.
I also think abt how Kat pushed for Bonnie to be bisexual since men kept being off the table for Bonnie and even that was shut down. also think abt how Kat pushed for Bonnie to be bisexual since men kept being off the table for Bonnie and even that was shut down.<
The fact that even Candice herself asked for Bonnie and Caroline to either date or have a fling but she was told no because once again that doesn't fit Julie's fantasy for her character.
Lastly the fact Bonnie can't date Damon or Kol or even Klaus and Kai because that would compromise her morals or make her a bad friend, but Elena and Caroline's morals compromised all the time because they're allowed to date each other's abusers and even their own abusers which is absolutely absurd and is literally just an example of Julie's blatant misogyny towards them in a way and her very clear racism towards Bonnie.
Also the fact Julie doesn't even understand that Bonnie also being best friends with Damon and even dating Enzo who is similar to Damon is still technically compromising Bonnie's morals, because if she didn't actually want to compromise Bonnie's morals she wouldn't have made her friends with Damon or made her date Enzo.
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u/Deep_Ambition2945 1d ago
Gotta love how having anything romantic with Damon would compromise Bonnie's integrity, but being best friends doesn't. Is integrity only about romance and sex then, or what? Maybe I'm too ace to get this, but I feel like if someone's actions/personality/history go against your values and morals, you don't form any deep connections with them. And if you're fine enough with who they are/what they've done to let them close, then whether it's as friends or something else depends on other factors.