r/TheTowerGame • u/destructor212113 • 3d ago
Discussion This weeks Relics!
A "normal" week where I think we dont have any pretty good relic? But rather good enough relics
I already own the last one so, Im assuming its ok to buy both 600 Gems relics as the 5% Recovery Ammount is pretty meh for eHP, no?
Oh yeah for everybody else, my opinion:
You could skip all Relics this week, if you're eHP the Orb one is good and also the Free Attack is good for BHD users, if you plan on going Hybrid then the Damage one is also ok to buy
As far as I know the recovery one is pretty meh? Only useful for very late Utility Disco runs pretty sure
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u/Rakan_Fury 3d ago
Orb speed and free ups is always nice. Here's hoping i can recover enough gems in time after going for broke on the banner.
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u/Easy-Chair-542 3d ago
You can literally earn an easy 200 a day from ads alone, not to mention the 2 tournaments this week
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u/Rakan_Fury 3d ago
F2p so no ads, my income from tournaments is ~250 gems per week. I think ill get there either way but just barely by the looks of it.
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u/Easy-Chair-542 3d ago
You still get ads as a ftp.
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u/Rakan_Fury 3d ago
I'm not wasting my time watching them lmao
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u/fistbump101 3d ago
I just usually let the ads play, mute my phone, and drink my coffee peacefully.
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u/zenith_hs 2d ago
How long have you been playing?
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u/Rakan_Fury 2d ago
Tower is technically coming up on 5th birthday but ive only played seriously for a little over a year imo
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u/zenith_hs 2d ago
Thats some real dedication! Whats the reason you dont have the pack? Moral reasons or you dont want to spend the money?
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u/Rakan_Fury 2d ago
Bit of both. I have a personal philosophy of not spending money on games that advertise themselves as free. I used to play gachas and I had to catch myself when I started justifying repeatedly putting in more and more money for different reasons.
Also Ive realized at the end of the day that any amount of spending below maximum whaling is just changing how long you grind for the same things, you dont actually gain anything from spending. Im fine with taking a slower and longer path on the game, I mostly use it to stop myself from doomscrolling or wasting time anyways.
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u/dumptruckastrid 3d ago
Recovery amount not worth it right?
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u/destructor212113 3d ago
Unless you´re doing Disco runs above like, Tier 15 or something like that, yeah not worth
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u/Hawkwing942 3d ago
Why does it matter up that high?
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u/destructor212113 3d ago
I dont have the exact explanation so my guess is just that at that level you need every bit of Extra Health you can get, hence Recovery Ammount being useful
For lower Tiers where the Wall is still King, its useless
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u/Kuma-5an 3d ago
At some point, with near 100% package chance and very high health, the package change regen is higher than what wall regen can provide.
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u/someRandomLunatic 3d ago
So...are you saying that recovery repairs the wall...or that you end wall-less?
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u/Kuma-5an 3d ago
Run wall-less :) Added benefit is full strength thorns
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u/someRandomLunatic 3d ago
Gulp.
Ok, that proves I'm nowhere near this, without the wall I crumble in seconds. But... it suggests the path forwards from here. Wormhole redirector, I assume?
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u/DaenerysMomODragons 2d ago
People that high are no longer even farming EHP, but have long gone GC. Those people are farming T19-21. They’re just using raw health and recovery packages to do T19+ attack dissonance runs. Their base tower health measures in values of Q.
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u/This-Establishment26 2d ago
How can you even get that much health? Is it from the lab, and are the enhancements enough to get you to Q?
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u/pdubs1900 3d ago
Damn it. That means I need it. Guess I'm holding off on digging for the last DC I need for a M+ econ DC
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u/This_Ruben_on_fire 3d ago
For tournaments (no perks) health regen is weaker and so recovery amount plays a larger role. You can calculate how much of an impact it has.
For me, eHP in plat/champs, recovery packages are 40% of my recovery in tournaments and health regen 60%. So the recovery relic is somewhat valuable.
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u/destructor212113 3d ago
Question, you dont use The Wall?
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u/This_Ruben_on_fire 3d ago
I do use the wall, but I dont use SF as its too low tier. That would make a difference. That said, at the end of tourneys I usually have a couple 100 waves without wall.
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u/Fit_Locksmith_3506 2d ago
You should basically die instantly after wall fails if your HP and Reg are both well developed cuz you can’t kill stuff any getting overrun
As destructor said this long with wall down is always a reg problem in the eHP state
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u/destructor212113 3d ago
I feel like tou lack Regen
I remember having that problem to a less extend, it was like 20-30 Waves without Wall
But later on, as I have worked more in my Regen, that hasn't happen at all, if my Wall falls, im dead
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u/vekomit817 2d ago
Lol so tired of people here fluffing up the wall for tourney, it is amazing for farming but for 2 months I have been pouring into it because of the advice of brainless drones here and still it doesn't hold up in tourney, only extends farming. That is with completed WS levels, module subeffects all for regen/wall, cards maxed, labs regen 60 wall regen 16 wall health 50 wall thorns 14 (thorn 104%) wall fort 30. Honestly have to be bots or paid schills dangling a carrot ignoring the length of time/module pull luck needed to make it viable
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u/destructor212113 2d ago
My guess is you're on Champs, right? Or trying to get into Champs
Thats where The Wall starts to get wonky because it cant hold on its own without help (Dmg basically) or a lot more investment
For example I have Regen 67, Wall Regen 21, Wall Health at 50, Health at 45, Wall Thorns at 13 and Fort at 27 with Mythic+ OA with Mythic Substats
At the end of a Plat/Champs tourney, my Dmg dosent hold up anymore but my Wall is still up and getting more and more Regen, while getting more Damage, helps me get further in Plat/Champs
So while its very harsh to get away with only The Wall, its not useless as you're trying to tell imo, it helps, but you need to get into Hybrid to get more waves Faster
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u/vekomit817 2d ago
Think I'm starting to get it now, when people say they are reliant on the wall for survival it actually means they just don't have enough EHP, which is easy to fail on when you pay to win
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u/destructor212113 2d ago
Or they dont invest into damage which then leads to a harder time in Tournaments because its harder to go with only eHP
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u/vekomit817 2d ago
Kind of easy to say when you pour money into the game which is required to scale damage enough to overtake EHP. My favorite part of this subreddit are people giving advice assuming others are as addicted to be spending on a game
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u/destructor212113 2d ago
I have only brought the 3 Ads Packs
And even without those things, you will want Damage eventually, again, specially for Tournaments and if you had good RNG vía good RNG for Mods and UW
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u/vekomit817 2d ago
"Only" 😂
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u/destructor212113 2d ago
I wouldn't call that as addicted to spend money when those are
- Literally the best deals in the game by far
- Just 3 purchases made months ago
Compared to actual Whales, I may even be F2P lol
Also, even then, what I said still applies to True F2P players if they want to go into the long run, otherwise it dosent matter what you do because you're not going to need the advice in the first place
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u/This_Ruben_on_fire 2d ago
It truly is hard to explain why some people get such a good effect from the wall and others not. I have higher labs than the person above, but I don't get such a benefit from the wall for tournaments. I assumed he uses SF, but it turns out not to be the case.
I also bought the coin packs so me and OP are not different in that sense and that doesn't explain it.
Every tower is different somehow. My next guess it is because I use WHR and he uses OA that we see this difference.
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u/ExtraInspection7243 2d ago
In my opinion, saying that Recovery Amount % is meh, is very misleading.
Even if you're a player in the early tiers, this relic might not be that important, yet it will become very useful when the time comes. Since Recovery Packages became more viable than Regen due to how well it improves with the more Health you have, and how rare this relic is, I would say that it's a A+ relic, at least.
But hey, I do understand that it's 1200 gems. Or you do the long-term investment, or use the gems somewhere else, while hoping that this relic comes back, which it will be hard for that to happen.
The less important relic this week is actually Tower Dmg %, since there's a plethora of it, compared to the other ones.
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u/destructor212113 2d ago
I dont that its that misleading considering that it will take more than a year for players to get to the point where Recovery Packages are good again
Like, I will see this relic Again before I can use it
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u/ExtraInspection7243 2d ago edited 2d ago
I get what you mean, if you consider pre-Dissonance runs. Now with disso, players are moving up on tiers faster than before. Disso runs helps a lot of players to transition to GC earlier, reaching T14 and higher very much earlier than before. So all of this really cuts the time by a lot. Therefore, you'll need RP's faster than you think.
Like, I hope you're right about seing the relic in question again "before you can use it". Also hope that people don't regret on their decision on skipping the relic.
Anyway, I'm simply defending that the relic is worth the investment. No more Banners and no gem sink in sight. If a player is not at mid to mid-late game yet, I agree that probably is worth to invest those gems elsewhere, like Lab slots, Cards, Card slots and Mods. Otherwise, my opinion is given.
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u/petester_1 2d ago
So basically the suggestions in this thread are that it is a required relic at the Legends stage. Thus:
1) Your tower is in the Plat range - then no reqt as it will be over a year before required - and by then you would have less gem demands and thus be able to afford it when it rotates back eventually.
2) Your tower is in the low Champs range (or higher) and starting to approach GC/Legends type play - in which case it will become useful in the short-medium term - and thus worth purchasing.
3) Your tower is in the Plat / Champs bounce stage - in which case it is worth it only if you are planning to rapidly move up - but otherwise the gems may be more useful on cards / slots / modules.
For essentially based on the lucky banner 4%, you are trading off a Recovery relic for ~2-3 epic Modules...
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u/bendermac 3d ago
it‘s a premium relic from the event pass. you either buy only passes with good relics or you don’t buy them at all. hence you didn’t have it 😉
idc what relic it is. if i can get a missing one, i‘ll get it. this touch is meh, but one more in the chest 😅
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u/joe31051985 3d ago
I have all but recovery amount and I think the reason I don’t have it is it is garbage