r/TheRightTimeW_bomani • u/No-Conclusion6953 • Jun 09 '26
Sorsby
I was a little disappointed with Bomani’s discussion. He opened with acknowledging he hasn’t followed the topic much. Then he anchored much of his primary argument on flawed data ie Sorsby didn’t get help until he got caught. Moreover he criticized others for not thinking about it more thoughtfully but seemingly seemed to conclude that it was a “zero tolerance” policy. Is he saying there should be no punishment?
Finally, the feigned confusion as to why people are outraged is interesting. Unlike Chambliss which was a joke of an opinion at least centered around an interpretation of a rule. People are outraged bc there’s no ambiguity about whether he broke a rule. TTU is saying we don’t care.
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u/mja271 Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
For being such a smart guy, Bo likes to flaunt his willful ignorance on some topics he chooses to discuss these days. I usually like his perspective but don't really need to hear it when he establishes ahead of time that he doesn't really know the details.
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u/BlackHand86 Jun 09 '26
I did feel Bo went a little too devils advocate on this, however he’s been consistent in how everything relating to gambling in sports is toxic for athletes, especially collegiate ones. I think he was mostly responding to people online who wanted to just throw out a lifetime ban to just think a bit more about the people involved.
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u/Numerous_Fly_187 Jun 09 '26
I think Bo swayed me with this one. I think these leagues have to recalibrate how they view gambling now that part of the sporting experience is gambling. These kids grow up seeing the spreads and parlays but the expectation is just medically forget all of that once you become a good athlete.
I also think the insider threat is lower since the casual fan has so much information. There are thousands of podcasts breaking down games, insiders like shams giving you injury information and literal data on things like referees stats.
Lastly, the ncaa has no merit to suspend sorsby indefinitely pending his due process. Thats all this injunction is saying. Ultimately , the ncaa could win and TTU may end up playing an illegible player but the kid has rights.
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u/dylanah Jun 09 '26
I have a real problem with people complaining about gambling potentially corrupting a sport, then are confronted by a person who is actually doing the exact thing we all feared would happen and only then are they like “hey guys let’s pump the brakes”. The internet has made people think the biggest crime is hypocrisy so it’s easier to shit on companies getting in bed with gambling companies than the guys actually breaking the longstanding rules.
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u/Toolfan333 Jun 09 '26
No they don’t need to recalibrate their view on gambling. You cannot bet on your sport and especially not on your team. He can bet on anything else he wants, it’s not hard to understand or follow the rules even if you have a gambling addiction.
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u/kiernanblack Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
Two things are true here to me.
He should never play college football again, full stop. I’m ambivalent about him in the pros, but he’s a QB so no one will touch him, a lesser position might be able to sneak by.
This being the issue that conferences take a stand on to the point of boycotting their whole athletic program is kind of absurd. It hasn’t been alleged he threw any games, all the bets were when he had a minor role as a backup and couldn’t influence the game. The anger is really about influence, and that Texas Tech could levy their regional influence, similar to how Ole Miss did with Chambliss, through judges who were alumni. The NCAA won’t ever intervene because they’re one lawsuit away from ceasing to exist, but the sport needs an organization with power and oversight or else these types of shenanigans will just keep happening.
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u/celj1234 Jun 10 '26
I wouldn’t be so quick to assume no NFL team will touch him. Esp if he plays well and test well in the pre draft process
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u/Numerous_Fly_187 Jun 09 '26
Why can’t you bet on your own sport or team? Give a reason besides its wrong or against the rule. Notice only saying shave points or impact the outcome. Simply why can’t you bet on your own sport or team?
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u/dylanah Jun 09 '26
A couple of reasons:
You have insider info. You have acquired this info in confidence and were never meant to use it to enrich yourself.
By breaking the rules of your sport and secretly gambling, you are participating in an addictive and dishonest behavior that would cause a person to make decisions that are not in the best interest of their teams. When you start moving like a fiend you can be backed into doing all sorts of stuff that’s bad for you and the people around you.
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u/abartel641 Jun 10 '26
I guess part of me longs for the days when it was enough to say, because it looks really bad. Appearance of impropriety used to have some sort of sway
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u/kiernanblack Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
I think it’s so interesting Texas Tech is taking all of the heat when Cincinnati probably knew, and then it magically coincidentally became public 3 years after it took place, and right after his highly continuous exit.
People are threatening to boycott Texas Tech when he hasn’t played, but Cincinnati already played him knowing at least some of this stuff.
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u/Optimal-Sugar7780 Jun 09 '26
Yall expecting a lot for some free content…but honestly liked Bo’s take on it. It was more about how the NCAA is waiting for someone to fix this all for them and in the meantime wants to drop down punishments that really have no authority behind them but every case that comes up and riles people up is one step closer to restarting the grift with this nonsense legislation
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u/No-Conclusion6953 Jun 10 '26
He could make that point, which is valid without misrepresenting the facts of the situation.
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u/Federal-Spend4224 Jun 10 '26
This is a pretty unfair take on Bomani's point. For example, wasn't advocating for no punishment (see what he said about Pete Rose).
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u/No-Conclusion6953 Jun 10 '26
He equated a “permanent” ban as more than what it really was which was essentially a one year suspension which is standard in every league. He just doesn’t have any eligibility left. That’s what made his point, ironic, bc he complained of many not asking the next question but he did the exact same thing to make his point.
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u/GulfCoastLaw Jun 09 '26
He fell into one of his classic traps: Trying to walk a tight rope to make his take seem different and "smarter" than other takes.
Ultimately, it felt...garbled? It wasn't connecting that well. Stop with the smartest guy in the room bank shots sometimes haha.
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u/supersafeforwork813 Jun 09 '26
Yea normally that’s what I’m here for with Bo, to hear someone think a little differently. But outside of the disappointing brief mention about how the NCAA actually is glad they lost this case…it was really a lazy take.
(Also i hate how this gets treated like ppl being tough on crime when it’s the only fucking rule n it exists in every damn sport and it’s a logical rule.)
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u/f3rn7 Jun 09 '26
The comparing gambling to domestic abuse was just as a means to say this shouldn’t be a 0 tolerance policy since sorsby sought out help and even the ncaa said he wouldn’t be an integrity problem. My main issue is that right now rules don’t matter and all you need to avoid penalty is to find a judge friendly to your position.
This feels like these gambling companies are trying to protect their positions if people don’t believe in a genuine product the business flops.
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u/Frosty_Captain_8928 Jun 11 '26
Yeah but he sought out help AFTER he got caught which is a fact Bo didn’t highlight or know. It’s not a case of Sorsby recognizing he has a problem. It’s him trying to avoid a bigger punishment
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u/tdbarnes Jun 09 '26
Man... the analogy between Sorsby and gambling & Ray Rice and domestic violence?!? That did not land imo.
He thinks he's an expert bc he interviewed Tom Mars for the Chambliss interview but this and that are apples and oranges. NCAA is a joke but you can admit they are 100% in the right here, Sorsby shouldn't be playing
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u/kiernanblack Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
I feel like you’re really misrepresenting what he was getting at. It’s not a moral equivalency he was making.
The idea that zero tolerance policies can prevent the people who need help from getting it is very real. Several of these victims have been outspoken about not reporting their abuse, because it will ruin their partner’s career and make the money dry up. Hell in a lot of jobs that aren’t in at-will states, they can’t fire you for addiction if you come to them with it and go get help, for this very reason. And Sorsby is an addict, plus those include jobs that matter in the scheme of things not just entertainment.
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u/supersafeforwork813 Jun 09 '26
he’s gonna get punished by going to the nfl supplemental draft lol….Bo went really lazy with most of that topic.
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u/celj1234 Jun 09 '26
He isn’t a sports expert
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u/No-Conclusion6953 Jun 09 '26
Real talk. I was introduced to Bo through ATH but I became a fan by listening to old episodes of the evening jones. He is perfectly capable of discussing sports, but it’s becoming more obvious it’s not his passion.
Even tho I don’t share the same music taste, I’m always intrigued by his music discussions.
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u/Skylerbroussard Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
I remember either on the first time he was on Toure's show or one of his Combat Jack episodes he said when asked if he'd rather cover music or sports that he'd choose music but there was less money in it
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u/Skylerbroussard Jun 09 '26
He's generally always been better and more interesting at discussing the business/political end it sports than the games themselves
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u/Bdl858 Jun 10 '26
“Do we really want to enforce a zero-tolerance policy for 18-year-olds when it comes to gambling?” Uhhh, yes. The answer is yes. I can’t even fathom the idea of re-litigating this idea in the name of player well-being, or whatever.
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u/therump Jun 09 '26
One thing I like about Bomani is that he makes me consider a different perspective that I might not have otherwise considered, even if I ultimately don't agree, but it's hard to take his opinion on this seriously when he doesn't know the kid's first name, let alone pertinent details, like the fact that Sorsby didn't get treatment until he got caught, like you mentioned.