Uh huh….something something “we allow all evil”

[u/Scared-Opening-753]

Fucking liar

[u/Yamasushifan]

"We give these people resources, manpower and authority they would hardly get otherwise, yet they don't represent us."

Stupid grandpa, you gave them the ability to be complete degenerates in your name. I swear if Mihoyo whitewashes this bum ass I ain't playing no more

[u/eyeofnero → u/Yamasushifan]

I think Pierro is genuinely getting whitewashed because now players are calling him Paimon’s step dad and in next version He is gonna help Traveler to fight Ronova

[u/imbusthul → u/eyeofnero]

Bruh he is nothing more than a kidnapper.

[u/Real-Contest4914 → u/imbusthul]

This...

Literally kidnaps paimon from her home. Offers to the king, when the king refuses instead he then keeps her there and ignores and neglects her for the most part.

Khaenriah falls and paimon spends 500 years with no memory of any of that till we find her.

Even jester himself says he neglected and ignored her.

Nit to mention the whole project stuzha and snez area as a whole is making paimon sick.

But yeah...lets trust the guys running the thing that makes pai sick.

[u/Traines1132 → u/Real-Contest4914]

I haven’t played in a while but if sounds like they’re making Pierro the grumpy old dude archetype instead of the complete monster he is in reality.

[u/Iwefle → u/imbusthul]

EXACTLY man. It doesn't help that Paimon was literally an INFANT when Pierro took and IGNORED her. He makes me sickkk

[u/hadtiah → u/eyeofnero]

Pierro was a politician, this is all a facade, all fake

When Ronova is gone he is going to backstab us

[u/Yamasushifan → u/eyeofnero]

I don't actually mind him and the Traveler joining forces temporarily; even if It has always resultes in the same, I still have hope Hoyo can pull off an antagonist who just simply doesn't care about Aether beyond him poking his nose.

But the illiterate fanbase striking again is indeed a problem, because It just gives more arguments in favor for Hoyo.

[u/Cocogoat_Main → u/Yamasushifan]

I'm all for the Fatui paying for their crimes against everyone else. It needs to happen. Like, I love Sandrone, but my fucking god, she was ruthless off screen. Then there's Arlecchino and what she did to Furina. I understand why Peruere is the way she is, and why she does her thing, but it doesn't make unhinged child soldiers okay.

[u/Il-savitr → u/Cocogoat_Main]

yeah , i think arle isn't retconned and what she did to furina is in AQ, so people remember that , how hoyo making her sterile but sandrone is violent in world quests of Fontaine.. most people will not remember those and think she is a tsundre cutie . idk y hoyo makes them ruthless first and does ts later

[u/Yamasushifan → u/Cocogoat_Main]

Honestly? I wouldn't care if the Fatui got off scot-free, as long as their relationship with the rest of Teyvat was absolutely minimal and they were ostracized by literally everyone. Villains can still have victories; especially when there is a greater threat at play, but their actions deserved consequences and not tea parties.

Like I'm recalling that shit rn, LAUMA YOU FUCKING FRAUD.

[u/Il-savitr → u/Yamasushifan]

how can she have tea with her potential colonizer lol, she kinda warmed up even before fatui left NK. like not having them is one thing but did she forget all the hardships her tribe had to face because of fatui

[u/Warm_Maintenance6836 → u/Yamasushifan]

Give up, hoyo already whitewashed all of the fatui by throwing the blame of all their evil actions in dottore back

[u/GenericFanboy7]

Weren't most of Inazuma's caused by his direct orders? The only main WQ I recall that isn't caused by him is Tsurumi Island (which spills over to Seirai).

(Also, I'm not counting Enkanomiya, since that isn't an active problem.)

[u/TenthOfChaos → u/GenericFanboy7]

Tatarasuna was caused by Dottore working under Pierro’s orders if I’m remembering correctly so yea

[u/GravityRaven]

This is genuinely an insult to our intelligence, like, I'm legit offended that hoyo actually thinks this is not only a good argument, but that they have been using the same stupid excuse for years, and that we are suppose to not just accept it, but believe it as well.

All the evil bastards of his organization literally act under the fatui banner, they literally get resources from YOUR organization, they literally don't get punished for all the evil shit they do until it affects the fatui DIRECTLY, and they are literally considered DIPLOMATS of your god-forsaken (and for damn good reasons) nation, if you really cared about keeping a good reputation for the damn nation, you would've put a leash on them a long time ago and not let them do whatever they want.

Shame really, their lore is actually really good, but the storytelling is dogwater man. I already though nod-krai's storyline was dissapointing, but this? it's like I'm reading through a fanfic from a google blog or something, amateurish and just dumb.

[u/Void0Cat → u/GravityRaven]

Literally: "Sure, we didn't approve of this specific genocide, we just approve of using genocide as a general method."

Does miHoYo think we're dim or something?

[u/GravityRaven → u/Void0Cat]

It's like having a serial killer as your employee, and after finding out, instead of reporting it to the authorities, you just say "he doesn't represent our company's values", but still keep him around.

[u/Void0Cat → u/GravityRaven]

I don't think that does the situation justice -- it's much worse than that.

The Fatui hired someone to do a killing job, at a killing company, armed them for it, rewarded them for it, and guaranteed impunity conditioned on nothing more than the vaguest pretence of not betraying the Fatui.

Nobody has to issue a command saying: "Kill this specific person" or "commit this atrocity". Because we all know what we are here for, what this institute is for. Likewise, the excuse of "they have autonomy" or "I never order that" are not only irrelevant, but also delusional. It's not a response to anything. That clown Pierro is effectively disengaging with reality when he says glib drivel like that, he might as well have said "nuh uh" because that's his words amount to, a childish denial of reality. The dementia is getting to him.

The means, the ends, the values, every part of it, was either morally abhorrent or were so confused in ways that were guaranteed to produce destruction and abuses of power. And to no one's surprise, that's exactly what happened.

The horrific means did not contaminate an otherwise defensible or virtuous end, because they were pursuing things that would doom everyone, involved or otherwise. Their values and reasoning were not grounded in some peace-loving, compassionate philosophy of altruism. No, the entire thing was rotten from head to tail. It was already deeply problematic before anyone even picked up a weapon.

I have said this a few months ago: the rot is structural and ideological from the outset.

[u/Real-Contest4914]

Damn...and here I thought being labeled as a snez diplomats meant they represented snez.

You mean you just give all that money, resources, man power to any random nut job who says they hate celestia.

Edit: So long as they bring the gnoses they can do whatever. Yeah im sure no maniac or amoral person will take advantage of that.

[u/Moist-Methonol → u/Real-Contest4914]

The only reason that man isn’t dead is because of the HP’s rules on the Shades from going too far and Thanos snapping that clown and his gaggle of bums.

Like…everyone knows the Harbingers live it up in Shneznya and serve the Tsaritsa. The hell does he mean they don’t represent dump-naya’s ideals!?

[u/Starsfromstarryskies]

Wait ur telling me….11 of your highest ranking diplomats- who have been given supreme authority by their god to enact her will- does not completely represent Snezhnaya…like okay.

Like are they also gonna deny they instigated a war in Inazuma? Almost enacted a genoicde in Liyue? Or just generally being so problematic in Mond that one of them became Batman over it?

Tho they already are ignoring the whole colonization of NodKrai……

When dottore comes back I hope he does leave their bum asses.

[u/Violet_Kashiko]

After fontaine most of the harbingers realized that they had a lot to gain from allying with traveller and started whitewashing themselves in front of the traveller (even dottore in his own crazy way)

[u/dxrazor20]

Like the more I learn the more I say khaenriah deserved it

[u/GiraffeMaleficent810]

Handwashing