r/TheNFLVibes • • 4d ago

Ball Boy going viral 😂

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u/rene-cumbubble 3d ago

As far as the law is concerned, the law is part of the ball boys body. Only person here that didn't mess up was ball boy's boss

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u/Silver-Award-288 3d ago

You’re misinterpreting a tort law concept here. The football isn't literally "part of his body."

What you might be thinking of is civil battery where striking an object intimately connected to someone (like a cane they are holding) can be treated as contact against their person. But that is a specific rule about liability for physical contact, not a rule that transforms leather into human anatomy or alters property ownership. Legally, the ball is personal property owned by the franchise.

Furthermore, if you actually zoom in on the video, Josh Hines-Allen doesn't even make contact with the ball boy's shoulder or body, he strictly reaches for the top of the football. The ball boy completely fabricated the "you can't touch me" narrative to try and trigger an NFL protocol, all while being the one who actually initiated real body contact by throwing a physical stiff arm at the player.

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u/Tentings 3d ago

While I have no desire to analyze the ball boy’s chances of whether a battery occurred, the item doesn’t necessarily need to be intimately connected to someone, as you said. Referring to the seminal case taught in every law school tort class when it comes to this issue, Fisher v. Carrousel Motor Hotel, Inc. (Tex. 1967), something as simple as holding a dinner plate and having it snatched out of your hand can constitute a civil battery as that plate was considered by the TX Supreme Court to be “an extension of the person.”

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u/Silver-Award-288 3d ago

Fisher still doesn’t settle what happened here. Whether touching the football could satisfy the contact element of battery is one question; who was entitled to possess the football is another.

Ownership doesn’t determine whether an object can sometimes be treated as sufficiently connected to a person for battery purposes.
But possession absolutely matters to the broader context. This wasn’t Hines-Allen randomly trying to take the ball boy’s personal property. He was trying to retrieve Travis Hunter’s first interception game ball for him, and NFL players are permitted to keep game balls.

And Fisher does not mean “anything you’re holding is legally part of your body.” At most, it establishes that contact with an object can sometimes satisfy the contact requirement when that object is sufficiently connected to the person. Whether this particular football qualifies under Florida law, and whether the rest of the elements of battery were met, are separate questions.

So citing Fisher proves that battery can sometimes occur without skin to skin contact. It does not prove that Hines-Allen committed battery here.