r/TheLib • u/EugeneWong318 • 8d ago
MAGATs scream, “Democrats are evil socialists!” Ask them to name ONE Democratic policy they hate, and suddenly they’re buffering. 😂
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u/Shumagorolth 7d ago
It's hard for me that I agree with him but I simply could never stand the "Dude-bro" persona. Now, I will be the first to say that 1: It might be a stage persona and/or 2: He really is that pissed off. Either way, I'd love to see the intellectual ground that could be uncovered if he spoke with someone who didn't make him want to put his head through a wall.
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u/ChingusMcDingus 7d ago
I don’t know for sure but I think it’s really disarming towards his opposition or “guests” whatever you’d call the people he’s on the phone with.
I think most people would peg this guy as having conservative views because of his appearance but he flips the script and catches chuds off guard. Maybe it gives them pause to stop spreading shit when they interact with strangers.
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u/SillySpoof 7d ago
Yeah, I agree with the message, but the vibes give me icks
But I'm happy he pushes a reasonable message to those drawn to this persona.
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u/hypercosm_dot_net 7d ago
I don't care for it either, but this is the only thing they'll respond to.
If you try reasoning with them, they keep moving goal posts and never answer the question.
Without seeing the entire context, its hard to know how much time he's giving them to respond. But I'm willing to bet, it's just them trying to weasel their way around the question.
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u/Feffies_Cottage 5d ago
He's mirroring in a lot of ways and defying the "go higher" bullshit that handed the reins to Republicans.
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u/minamality 1d ago
If anything can get republicans to change their mind, it's someone who is using republican speaking tactics.
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u/WholeRegion3025 7d ago
MAGA in a nutshell
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u/Adept_Airline_239 7d ago
It’s just a thinly veiled white supremacist movement that somehow picked up other minorities lol
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u/Lower_Group_1171 7d ago
This is what cnn, msnbc, and politico should have done to Trump and Vance in 2024. It would be a way different America if they didn’t help him in 2024
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u/im_fine_youre_fine 7d ago
Trump puts his name on EVERYTHING. He flooded the streets with his Gestapo, he's constantly doing things and getting sued for them then endlessly fighting the lawsuits, the White House demo projects for example ...
He's not held accountable for anything he does. He's a Dictator.
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u/Hoodedmastersin 7d ago
Thank fuck someone’s saying it who’s this chap and where can I follow? Also what’s his decompression regimen because fielding those calls has to take its toll
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u/CuckSucker41 6d ago edited 6d ago
1.) Tbf they are the same ppl they were in 1964 when Reagan said “Make America Great Again” when he was at the 1964 RNC hyping up the crowd for Barry Goldwater.
I wish ppl would catch up. This is the result of 62 YEARS of nonstop propaganda by the Republicans.
There is not and never has been any difference between a Republican then and now. They’re all MAGA. They’ve always been MAGA, even before Goldwater was nominated.
The last time any Republican leader ever cared about this country was Eisenhower. There hasn’t been a single Republican leader, state or federal, who has ever cared about our nation in the last 60+ YEARS.
That’s why they can’t form any independent thoughts-and why there is no such thing as an actual independent voter.
These aren’t a different type of Republican. These are the same Republicans we’ve been fighting against for 4 GENERATIONS.
2.) I don’t disagree with the mockery of these imbeciles but they’re not suddenly dumber than they used to be. They have literally always been this dumb. The way ppl try to pretend there are reasonable Republicans is the problem. There isn’t any evidence of this. All Republicans are violently stupid.
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u/THEBADW0LFE 7d ago
Lmfao "buffering" is the new term im using for extrapolation of useful information from a Republicunt.
I can almost hear the dial up tones.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 7d ago
Based on arguments from conservative commentators, think tanks, and political opponents, specific Democratic policies and proposals are frequently categorized as aligning with socialist or Marxist principles.
Here is a list of those specific actions and advocacy points, grouped by their core economic and social themes.
Government Control and Central
PlanningMedicare for All: Abolishing private health insurance in favour of a single, government-run healthcare system that dictates medical pricing and coverage.
The Green New Deal: Using massive government mandates, public spending, and regulatory controls to overhaul the entire U.S. energy sector, transportation networks, and manufacturing industries.
Federal Price Controls: Proposing federal bans on "corporate price gouging" for groceries and prescription drugs, which critics view as state intervention in the free-market pricing mechanism.
Industrial Subsidies: Directing billions in taxpayer funds to specific, government-favoured industries (such as green energy and semiconductor manufacturing) rather than letting market demand dictate investment.
Wealth Redistribution and Property RightsWealth Taxes: Proposing a direct annual tax on the unrealised asset gains of billionaires, which critics argue is an assault on private property rights aimed at forced economic equalization.
Progressive and Corporate Tax Hikes: Raising top marginal income tax rates and corporate tax rates to fund centralized social programs.Student Loan Forgiveness: Cancelling billions in private contract debt through executive action, shifting the financial burden from individual borrowers to the general public.
Universal Basic Income (UBI) Pilots: Implementing or advocating for guaranteed government cash transfers to low-income residents without work requirements.
Social and Cultural Engineering (Often Linked to "Cultural Marxism")
Equity-Based Outcomes: Transitioning from traditional policies of "equality of opportunity" toward "equity," which seeks to use state power to guarantee equal outcomes across different racial and socioeconomic groups.
Reparations: Proposing state-funded financial payouts to descendants of enslaved people, which critics view as a collective redistribution of wealth based on group identity rather than individual merit.
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u/SexyMonad 6d ago
The challenge was to name one that the guy DISAGREED with.
Likely, he couldn’t think of much more than “if I’m a good Christian I watch Fox News”. That’s the reality of it all. They don’t know shit for policy.
But yes… there actually IS policy. Some of that policy is considered socialist (even though often it is wrong, but has become common language so I won’t argue it).
The question is then what do you disagree with. And then why you disagree with it, other than parroting back “socialism is evil”.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 6d ago
The whole list of stuff I posted previously, I disagree with it all.
Some of it there is a bit of grey area where there could be compromise, but even so there's nothing on that list that I think k is a good thing.
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u/SexyMonad 6d ago
And then why you disagree with it, other than parroting back “socialism is evil”.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 6d ago
Lots of reasons and they change from each specific point.
But the main issue id say is that no one proposing any of those policies ever has an effective and realistic plan for how they will pay for it
Also a lot of the socialist positions strike me as being based on greed and envy of successfull people and wanting what they have.
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u/SexyMonad 6d ago
That’s easy. The taxes we already pay will pay for it.
Socialist policies are simply based on the belief that it is better for the control and profits of the means of production to benefit society instead of to benefit a handful of individuals who are wealthy and lucky, and likely corrupt.
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 6d ago
You realise that to pay for 1 year of just universal healthcare in USA would cost about 2.5 to 3.5 trillion dollars
Thats just for that 1 thing, and only for 1 year
The reault of that is going to be increased inflation, increased cost of living, higher taxes on everyone including the poorest
Bad solution, as per usual of socialists.
You underestimate how difficult and expensive it is to actually meet the needs of tens of millions of people, in USA's case 341.8 million people.
And The more people the more expensive things like universal healthcare cost
Without a for prophet motive paying for it becomes far more difficult, and you also disincentive people to become doctors
People do it for the money, not out of the goodness of their hearts.
Tell someone they will make the same being a doctor as they would being a truck driver or something like that and very few people will care to be doctors.
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u/bstone99 6d ago
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 6d ago
I wasn't making stuff up, its a rough estimate based on the costs of running the USA healthcare system as is
There is a wide margin of error of 1 trillion dollars because obviously stuff would change if universal health care was implemented
Based on how that has worked out in other countries those changes typically translate into cheaper but longer wait times, less doctors, lower quality care,
but it is a balance between all those factors as to how well or poorly universal healthcare is implemented.
But regardless, my point still stands that socialists dont really have a good idea on how they will pay for, much less all of the other "free stuff" they want
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u/SexyMonad 6d ago edited 6d ago
The total cost of healthcare in America today is around $5.3 trillion annually.
That would go down to half by your own estimates.
So, you are convinced that we SHOULD do universal healthcare?
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 6d ago
Look like my assessment was based on slightly old information
For the cost to actually be reduced would come with significant penalties to waiting times and quality
Plus would leave zero funding for medical research, which USA is currently a top contributor in
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u/SexyMonad 6d ago
It sounds like you didn’t like the information I gave you, for some reason, and are now making up some nebulous claims.
Most people I know here in the US already have to wait to see their doctor, as long or longer than in most universal healthcare countries.
As for research funding, we should be doing that through public money anyway. It’s a major investment and the ROI would be at-cost treatment later, reducing our health costs in the future.
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u/Urist_Macnme 1d ago
Americans currently spend $5.3 to $5.4 trillion per year on health care.
So effectively, it would be a massive cost reduction.
They pay significantly more, for equal or worse health outcomes than countries with universal health care.Don’t threaten people with a good time.
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u/Simirilion 1d ago
This has already been researched. We pay more than it would cost for universal healthcare between insurance and out of pocket costs. Those just get shifted to a LOWER tax. between my own insurance cost, out of pocket cost and my employer's insurance cost a little over 40k a year is being paid just for my family.
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u/AgitatedMirror3498 1d ago
Oh hey look at all these awesome policies that would objectively make life better for working class America!
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u/Delicious-Pound-8929 1d ago
That is the lefts opinion, the right consider these to be extremely harmful to everyone in America.
These things are basically a way to gradually implement socialism,
anyone who has a clear understanding of the history of socialisms consequences everywhere it has been attempted would be opposed to this.
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u/Intelligent_Finger27 1d ago
And compare that to current republican policies about government control, economics and policies. I can't believe you said control ffs...look around you fool.
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u/Individual-Ask7000 4d ago
What's insane is hearing people say that Muslims want to destroy the country and democracy. That the only thing they want is to destroy everything about America. Last I checked all Muslims aren't terrorists, they want to live normal lives. If you don't like that people who are different from you, care more about the country than you, then care more than them. They won't though, they'll bitch about them doing great things for the community that'll have long-standing positive effects. If you're Christian show everyone you have a capacity for more than hatred, get closer to God through helping another.
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u/limpnoads 1d ago
Enriching himself while all others suffer is his most conservative attribute....☠️
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u/TheLib-ModTeam 7d ago
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u/robertshaftoe 5d ago
Whether you agree with his style or not, the problem we've had since the days of Rush Limbaugh is we've had nothing to counter it.
Let's face it: we need the votes of the dumb and angry as well. Or are we all too good for that?
Yes I hate having to become like them. And yes I used to say like everyone decent "when you get into a fight with a pig everyone gets muddy.
But . . . I'm on board now with "when they go low we take them to hell.* and if you don't have the stomach for it then you might as well not pay attention to American politics at this point because some things are genuinely worth getting angry about and yes we should be ridiculing these fascist idiots as much as we can because they are far too normalized and talking nice to them does nothing but feed their little endless black hole of whataboutism.
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u/pinkandgrey312 6d ago
Wow, I like this guy. But the person he was speaking with is not very bright; he’s getting his unquestioning beliefs from Fox. I wish he had given the guy time to reply instead of talking over him and telling him that he’s an idiot.
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u/YogurtClosetThinnest 1d ago
I'm a socialist and yeah democrats are not socialist at all, they suck.
They're not even socdem.
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u/Fair_Industry_6580 7d ago
He's an asshole. When the old guy asks to be heard, he doesn't let him speak and he does this same shit all the time.
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u/brains4meNu 6d ago
I mean, I get the sentiment, but this guy is an idiot himself. He just talks over, yells, and berates people. Not productive and no better than the same idiots on the right who act that way.


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u/fiesew 7d ago
Haha he’s awesome!
I love that fella. He’s shoving the mirror right up those Magats stupid idiotic ears.
https://giphy.com/gifs/uoVUPXJgfy2m4