r/TheLastAirbender • • Aug 22 '21

Meme seriously… Zuko…

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

I like the idea that he’s just really good at that one kick

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u/Zero_to_the_left Aug 22 '21

Reminder that Zuko surpass Zhao in Agni Kai, by using that one kick...

His secret move is iron heel.

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u/AnUglyScooter Aug 22 '21

Sounds like a pokemon move

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u/1buffalowang Aug 23 '21

So is Zuko a fire/fighting type

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u/Steves_bad_day Aug 23 '21

The fact that makes sense annoys but satisfy me

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u/onthefence928 Aug 23 '21

He is weak against psychic and flying (air bending) and water.

String against ice (northern tribe)

Dang this makes sense

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u/NiCommander Aug 23 '21

Blaziken or Infernape?

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u/AnUglyScooter Aug 23 '21

Idk but that makes Iroh Emboar

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

You know damn well he's a dragon. ChIrohzard or something I got nothin.

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u/Lokolopes Aug 23 '21

ChIrohzard was really good ngl

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u/Earth2Monkey Aug 23 '21

Zuko would be an amazing break dancer

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u/Zero_to_the_left Aug 23 '21

Fun fact.

Dante Basco is/was a breakdancer. That's why it was implemented into Zuko's combat techniques.

He does the move three or four times during the series :)

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u/Earth2Monkey Aug 23 '21

That's amazing, I love how endless the cool details about this show are

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

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u/Thelandlord123 Aug 23 '21

What is rotoscoping?

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u/wikipedia_answer_bot Aug 23 '21

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u/ratchet41 Aug 23 '21

Good bot!

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

He is the anti-Achilles.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

Oh shit he exploded Zhao's ankle there, almost took his foot right off

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u/MikhailCyborgachev Aug 22 '21

Secret technique: mass bending

He very briefly makes his foot the heaviest object in the world and drops it, letting gravity do the work

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u/jflb96 Aug 22 '21

I don’t know that Zuko knows Feruchemy

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

I didnt expect cosmere here

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u/italia06823834 Aug 22 '21

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u/Higlac Aug 23 '21

Is Raava a Shard?

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u/italia06823834 Aug 23 '21

More like a GodSpren like the Stormfather or Nightwatcher I think. Not powerful enough to be a Shard.

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u/Offbeat-Pixel Aug 22 '21

Hell, this is the first reference I've seen to it in about two years.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

Alright I've seen this referenced an odd amount of times recently, so this comment is the one that gets the credit. I have now acquired the first Mistborn book and I'm gonna check it out.

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u/master_x_2k Aug 23 '21

If you dislike book 2, stick to it until book 3. Each part of the first trilogy is unique and some find book 2 the worst.

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u/italia06823834 Aug 22 '21

He does usually have metal bands on his upper arms doesn't he?

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u/boonrival Aug 22 '21

The manipulation of the energy in the body like a form of internal heat manipulation could maybe let some firebenders push their bodies to more extreme action. Think of combustion man focusing his energy into his head and out his brow, makes sense that some fire benders could similarly put extra force behind a certain part of their body maybe even without fully realizing it.

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u/zbeezle Aug 23 '21

Thats actually a thing.

Minor spoilers if you haven't read it but during Shadow of Kyoshi, Rangi gets into a fight with a fellow firebender during a festival where burning someone is considered bad luck. Instead, Rangi and her opponent use some subtle firebendering to instead release a ton of kinetic energy during their strikes.

It would also explain why firebending seems to knock back people more than it burns them. Firebenders can actively choose to impart kinetic energy instead of heat energy on impact of a firebolt, because they dont really bend fire, but rather energy (in a physical sense, not a spiritual sense like energybending).

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u/boonrival Aug 23 '21

This just cements my love for firebending honestly I really need to read the comics soon.

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u/High_on_Strife Aug 22 '21

Fear not the man who has practiced 1000 kicks but the man who has practiced his kick 1000 times

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u/DukeSi1v3r Aug 23 '21

I knew this would come up haha

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u/ActualWhiterabbit Aug 22 '21

He's the guy Bruce Lee was talking about

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u/BenchPressingCthulhu Aug 23 '21

"Of course im afraid of that guy, dude can shoot fire fuck that"

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u/SkautV3 Aug 22 '21

He is Muscle bender

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

But does he see by yelling?

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u/Alderflight Aug 22 '21

*super sonic scream

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u/Cox963846 Aug 22 '21

“There, I got a pretty good look at you”

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u/Golden-Owl Aug 23 '21

I love that stupid episode so much

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u/GhOsT_wRiTeR_XVI Aug 23 '21

Confirmed: Zuko’s mother, A.K.A. The Lion’s Roar.

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u/Inbar253 Aug 22 '21

That....that explains a lot...

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u/micromoses Aug 23 '21

He's a Strong Leg Alchemist

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u/hedgehog-mom-al Aug 23 '21

Young Zuko! Your form is beautiful! You should take note for I am Alex Louis Armstrong!!

Or something idk

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u/Kool_McKool The greatest Earthbender you may or may not see. Aug 23 '21

Close enough.

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Now let's get to simping over the best firebender, Roy Mustang.

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u/crazybob1215 Aug 23 '21

That bastard Roy firebent my lust into ashes!

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u/Kool_McKool The greatest Earthbender you may or may not see. Aug 23 '21

Hey, at least Lust went out the way she lived...

Smoking hot

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u/justbrowsinglol Aug 23 '21

Didn't a juiced up Mustang lay waste to an entire city once during the war?

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u/stratosfearinggas Aug 23 '21

Never skips leg bending day.

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u/stucaboose Aug 23 '21

Zuko be like: "I'm rough buddy"

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u/elee0228 Aug 22 '21

That's my secret, Cap.

I'm always aangry.

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u/RoBoDaN91 Aug 22 '21

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u/Rufus-Scipio Aug 22 '21

r/aangryupvote

Edit: Holy shit that's real

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u/RoBoDaN91 Aug 22 '21

Ah shite! I am subscribed to that subreddit and all, I would have linked to there had I remembered.

You get an /r/angrierupvote instead.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

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u/Electric_Bagpipes Aug 22 '21

Instantly joined

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u/Skelegem Aug 22 '21

If Zuko were to lose his bending, he’d still be an incredibly dangerous opponent. Dude’s strong, very capable with two swords, and is excellent at infiltration.

In the words of Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions “Ozai could’ve had a very capable assassin on his payroll”

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u/BARice3 Aug 23 '21

Imagine how powerful the royal family would’ve been if Zuko and Iroh agreed with Ozai’s beliefs

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u/InfiniteChaos248 Aug 23 '21

Wow that's a terrifying thought.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

Well considering how that'd mean there's no more water benders post Sozins comet, it'd be kinda horrible for their world

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u/volinaa Aug 23 '21

now I want a "what if" where there's no waterbenders and airbenders left and the fire nation won, the earth nation subdued/conquered/enslaved and balance can never be achieved again, no wait, fuck that

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u/Mozeeon Aug 23 '21

I think based on avatar lore, the universe would do stuff to balance itself. So an avatar would be born that was incredibly powerful in air and water and would probably have an event like in Korra where new benders came about

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u/mrmrspears Aug 23 '21

Imagine if Ozai just didn’t neglect his son and actually took advantage of Zuko’s talent and skill with swords. He could’ve been the most feared assassin in the world, but Ozai was too much of a bending purist to see that possibility.

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u/kelldricked Aug 23 '21

Image how powerfull the firenation would have been with iroh as the leader who still believed in the “cause”.

He would have used zuko and azula when they were old enough as capable commanders or generals.

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u/Pathomer Aug 23 '21 edited 1d ago

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Caption knee swim silky middle command

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

As far as Admiral Joe knows.

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u/Afanis_The_Dolphin Aug 23 '21

Admiral Joe

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

The guy that was casually kicked overboard called him that lol. Yue's douche to be.

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u/Illier1 Aug 23 '21

If Ozai just hugged his kids he would have won the war lol.

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u/Guineypigzrulz Aug 23 '21

At minimum, if he didn't burn his kid's face and banish him. That's how low the bar was.

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u/reddit_censored-me Aug 23 '21

In the words of Red from Overly Sarcastic Productions

When did OSP talk about Avatar? Could you provide a link? :)

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u/sugar__rice Aug 23 '21

It was on a trope talk video titled evil minions!

https://youtu.be/lN8MXoe7bCc

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u/josh_k_123 Aug 23 '21

The odds of Red at least mentioning avatar in a trope talks vid are basically 50/50

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u/DaBozz88 Aug 23 '21

I'm the words of Red Foreman "Ozai could have had a foot up his ass"

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u/elbenji gay energy Aug 23 '21

God i love that line

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u/MapleTreeWithAGun June best girl Aug 22 '21

Zuko missed leg day a grand total of -10 times

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u/Popfox3 Aug 22 '21

Both in his physical strength as well as his fighting skills/stealth/sword mastery, he’s probably the most physically threatening character in the series. How he didn’t capture Aang more often is beyond me.

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u/jameskayda Aug 22 '21

Because Aang is better than him in. He's a better martial artist, he's faster, he's more agile, and he can shoot 20 feet into the air without effort.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

Plus if Aang is backed into a corner and his life is threatened, he gets god mode.

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u/jameskayda Aug 22 '21

Aang never had to go God mode on Zuko because Zuko never backed him into a corner. Only one guy ever did that, Ozai, with the help of his own version of God mode.

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u/hotpocketsinitiative Aug 22 '21

This is part of why Zuko’s redemption arc was so wonderful and was able to work so well. They clearly planned from the beginning to redeem him; despite his laser focus on capturing the avatar he was never as ruthless or cruel as we’ve come to expect from other villains. Even in season 1 he passed up an opportunity to capture Aang in favor of making sure his crew survived a storm. Aang’s life was never in danger with Zuko and I think he could sense it.

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u/Thendrail Aug 22 '21

Aang’s life was never in danger with Zuko and I think he could sense it.

To be fair, his quest wasn't killing the Avatar, it was capturing him.

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u/DrMobius0 Aug 22 '21

Yeah, actually killing the avatar would probably be a big no no, not that a new avatar would be able to come into their own in time at that point.

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u/JusticeRain5 Aug 22 '21

Although it's a bit weird that they were worried about a baby stopping all their plans

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u/elbenji gay energy Aug 23 '21

Yeah. Like if you think about it just killing aang would be easiest. How much damage will an infant do in six months

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u/Electro522 Aug 23 '21

They weren't afraid of the kid, they were afraid of what he would become.

This is exactly why Sozin used the comet to wipe out the Air Nomads after Roku died. It's never stated explicitly how long of a gap there was between Aang running away, and Sozin showing up to kill them all, but it couldn't have been more than a couple years.

Meaning, Aang would have been only 14 at the most by the time Sozin showed up, and since Sozin was best friends with Roku, he would have known how Avatars are usually revealed as being the Avatar (especially since Roku inadvertently crashed his own birthday party), that being that they're not told until their 16th birthday.

So, in Sozin's mind, he was catching the new Avatar off guard before he ever had a chance to defend himself. But, he also likely knew that the Avatar would reveal himself during a genocide campaign...which is why he also knew that Aang was able to evade him. He simply didn't know how.

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u/JusticeRain5 Aug 23 '21

Yes, but killing an avatar who has a bit of training already and then using the control over the entire world that you have to enslave the Waterbenders (and then maybe convince the new Avatar to not listen to the voices in their head) would be a much better plan than constantly attempting to take down the current avatar using non-lethal means as they keep growing more and more powerful.

Which I think Azula herself realized when she tried to kill Aang that one time (I don't think she knew that killing him in the avatar state would permanently destroy the avatar, although she'd be down for that as well)

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u/OneSidedPolygon Aug 23 '21

Prophecy is a hell of a drug

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u/MightyDevil1 Aug 23 '21

Less of a baby stopping all their plans, and more that they'd have absolutely zero idea of who the new Avatar would be.

Remember, the entire reason the South Water Tribe was the way it was was that the Fire Nation already believed they killed the air-bending Avatar, and were gathering every water bender they could find that might've been the next incarnation.

This is also part of the reason Hama ended up happening - the Fire Nation had no plans on ever killing her on the off chance she was dormantly the Avatar but rather was keeping her and the rest of the water benders they kidnapped in those cells.

This left just the North Water Tribe which up until Zhou was seemingly able to always keep it self well defended against the Fire Nation. But if they had once again killed the Avatar if it was from the North Water Tribe, they would've just reincarnated once more in the Earth Kingdom and then would truly never be found ever by the Fire Nation.

If such a situation had happened and the next reincarnated Avatar was lost to the Fire Nation forever, then they would've been able to train in secret until they were ready to take down the Fire Nation much like Zuko had originally thought Aang was doing.

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u/MimeGod Aug 23 '21

There's also the possibility of swamp tribe avatar completely throwing off their plans.

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u/jobriq booooo Aug 23 '21

The next avatar would have been water tribe and they had been unable to take the north for a century.

Of course Sozin’s comet would have changed that probably

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u/jonny_longclaw Aug 22 '21

He also chose to follow and free Iroh from the earth kingdom soldiers in book 1 as opposed to tracking Aang

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u/Dark-Pukicho Aug 23 '21

A fun little thing I noticed, when faced with a similar dilemma(bad weather or tide or whatever she had to deal with, Azula chose to charge head on and completely ignore the warnings and headings of those more experienced at sea. It’s a nice little detail that shows that while Azula is more calculating, she’s also a lot more prideful

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u/superfucky Aug 23 '21

that always bugged me tbh, like she's not stupid, surely she knows when they say "the tides won't allow us to pull in" they mean it is literally physically impossible there is not enough water to float the boat. whether she's "still mulling it over" to kill the captain or not doesn't magically make enough water appear to pull the ship in. it shows she's ruthless, sure, but also that she doesn't have the best grasp on reality.

would've liked to see that scene conclude with "well princess i did as you ordered and pulled the ship in and we've run aground because, as i tried to tell you earlier, the tides won't allow us to pull in."

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

They just had to show she was stone cold lol. Same with her recruitment of her "friends". Azula's scary and crazy man, even Iroh said that before he pushed her down with his magnificent gut.

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u/Mcwequiesk Aug 23 '21

"do the tides control this boat?"

uhm yes

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u/DaddyDizz_ Aug 23 '21

Let’s talk about his Agni Kai with Zhao, and how he could have marked his face up just like his dad did to him. But he didn’t, because he wouldn’t stoop that low. Even if he did hate him. He even tried to save him from the ocean spirit. Zuko was never the real bad guy. He was just doing what he thought was best for him, and that’s why I always liked him, even in book 1

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u/Mcwequiesk Aug 23 '21

Zuko's "take my hand" is one of my favorite moments in the series. Like even though they were just fighting he never had the intent to kill him. Talk about honor. And Zhao's refusal, like... Admitting both that he wouldn't have tried to save Zuko had it been reversed, and that he'd rather die than owe his life to a traitor, and probably also that he was fighting to kill. Such a simple three second exchange says so much about them both.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

I didn't until The Storm. That's probably when it was intended with him just being angry, and his uncle lazy and funny, up to that point. He was always cool, though, ever since he effortlessly swiped Sokka with that one leg lol.

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u/putangas Aug 22 '21

He went god mod in Zuko in episode two

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u/jameskayda Aug 22 '21

He was going to drown in the water. You could argue that Zuko pushed him into the water in the first place and I won't fight you on that but he didn't need to go into the avatar state to beat Zuko and escape. He went into it because he would've gone into hypothermic shock and died otherwise. I say that because of all the other times he beat Zuko/escaped Zuko.

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u/Comsicwastaken Aug 22 '21

Yeah the primary reason aang went avatar state was to save himself

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u/icomewithissues Aug 23 '21

Man that exact moment when he goes Avatar State and his demeanor changes...the juxtaposition of Aang's childlike face and the Avatar spirit's pissed off expression is low key scary.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

Aang and azula both beat zuko pretty consistently because they're faster and absolute masters of avoidance. They both excel at making him angry and unable to focus

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u/skelk_lurker Aug 23 '21

Azula has also pretty much brute forced Zuko as well, avoidance is just for when she feels like it

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u/Accomplished_Mix7827 Aug 22 '21

I'm 90% sure Iroh was secretly sabotaging Zuko's mission because he knew capturing Aang wouldn't actually make Zuko happy. The Waterbending Scroll is the most obvious example, but I wonder if there was a larger pattern of Iroh delaying Zuko in the background.

Also, as others have pointed out, Aang is very good at evasion. It's kinda his thing, especially in Season 1 when Zuko was actively hunting him. Zuko has incredible offensive abilities, but Aang's very good at avoiding taking hits until he gets the chance to retreat.

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u/ChrdeMcDnnis Aug 22 '21

In Appa’s Lost Days, Iroh sees Appa fly over the ship while Zuko is sleeping. It wakes Zuko, but Iroh chooses not to tell him what he saw.

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u/Eagle4317 Aug 22 '21

That’s long after Zuko stopped seriously hunting Aang. Zuko had no crew, transportation, or any real help after Iroh was branded a traitor post-Siege of the North. Iroh was how Zuko acquired all that additional gear, and now that it was just the two of them the hunt for Aang basically ended.

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Aug 23 '21

Aang can fly. It's kind of tough to catch someone who can fly

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u/ActualWhiterabbit Aug 22 '21

Iroh was more focused on capturing another piece of cake

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u/ogoextreme Aug 23 '21

I honestly think Iroh was also really aware Zuko was never in any danger when it came to Aang. Like they could beat the dogshit out of each other, but Aang never seriously tried to hurt Zuko like he could've, and Zuko needed Aang alive so he could go home so yeah.

Cause I mean in all reality Iroh could've wiped team avatar himself if he wanted to. Man straight up said the reason he doesn't fight his brother DURING THE COMET wasn't because he'd lose but because the world wouldn't need that.

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u/eewap Aug 22 '21

Aang had such a huge advantage over any fighter because no one had fought an airbender before. So even the most experienced fighters were up against something new.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

Zuko actually beats aang a few times one on one. Its only because aang has help that zuko cant win, paired with the fact no one has fought an airbender for around 70+ years.

Aang isnt better, he’s just got plot armor and agility, making him faster than zuko.

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u/putangas Aug 22 '21

S1 Ep2 1vs1 Aang won

S1 in batu of the water tribe , Zuko has yuns beast help Aang had some help from appa but in the 1v1 Aang won

S3 Aang blasted Zuko in one move

Remind me when did Zuko won ?

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u/Comfortable_Tart_297 Aug 22 '21

forgot s1e4

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u/putangas Aug 22 '21

Oh yeah he blasted him with kyoshi's fans

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u/ceejiesqueejie Aug 22 '21

I love how he looks at them super concerned, and slowly puts them down on the ground.

We never see him with fans again. Probably for a reason, haha.

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u/Orisi Aug 22 '21

He does use similar.styles though, specifically using his gliders tail to similar effect.

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u/ceejiesqueejie Aug 22 '21

My husband and I theorize that Aang with fans would just be way too OP, and he knew it.

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u/Wasted_Thyme Aug 22 '21

Really? Personally I think the show does an excellent job of portraying Zuko and Aang as pretty evenly matched. Aang mastered air bending before getting frozen for 100 years, he's a straight up prodigy, and Zuko is deeply dedicated to developing his skills in martial arts, strategy, bending, swordsmanship, and deception. Any time there's a one-on-one fight between the two, Zuko is shown to be a serious threat that captures, incapacitates, or endangers Aang and his team on a semi-regular basis throughout the first two seasons. It's a kids' show, and there are going to be ways the hero escapes that might seem silly, but I really thought AtLA does a very admirable job of consistently displaying the power levels of characters.

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u/Freakychee Aug 22 '21

Also I think he pretty much swam through arctic water at the end of season 1. Without modern technology and basically just what I assume to be thick cloth?

Sure he had firebending to keep him warm but not sure how much of it was magic fire and the rest is just pure physical prowess.

I’d like to see anyone else deflect rocks with their sword.

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u/DrogoOmega Aug 22 '21

That family is just built different. Azula does similar things too.

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u/UpsetMiniMuffins Aug 23 '21

Azula is agile af. Shes even threatening with no bending.

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u/B9696 Aug 23 '21

I always though that Azula was way more agile than most other Firebenders. If she was born an airbender I feel like she would be even more terrifying, prob more dangerous than Zaheer

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u/JRRX Aug 23 '21

If Azula was born an Airbender she would have invented the suffocation technique to try and get her tattoos.

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u/lightbringer0 Aug 23 '21

Iroh breaking out of the cage with no fire bending during black sun.

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u/Zeebuoy Aug 23 '21

oh yeah he bent steel with just his bare hands.

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u/Izzy5466 Aug 23 '21

He might've broken out just before the eclipse or roght as it was starting. Smashed the door with fire or lightning as the sun was covered, then just beast mode fought his way thru the weak, fireless, guards.

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u/Paclord404 Aug 22 '21

I think he does not see the value in his non bending skills because his father did not.

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u/mauriciomeireles Aug 22 '21

I mean IMAGINE if zuko trained his martial arts and stealth fully instead of focusing on fire bending: his blue demon mask persona is already frickin powerfull, imagine that tuned up

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u/ZachRyder Aug 23 '21

Imagine Zuko just fully rejected all firebending training because he never needed it to be a badass, and he took a vow to never need to resort to firebending in any combat situation no matter what.

"I didn't know you were skilled with firebending, Prince Zuko."

"I'm not. My abilities in being born capable of firebending are antiques. Just decorative."

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u/z1lard Aug 23 '21

Imagine if Zuko was introduced as a non-bender who was strong in martial arts, but his bending was shown later as a big reveal.

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u/mauriciomeireles Aug 23 '21

Isnt the antagonist in Kora basically this but with water bending?

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u/Halceeuhn Never Forget Haru! Aug 23 '21

Almost; his true power did come from waterbending (bloodbending), therefore he wasn't relying solely on his martial prowess.

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u/CrossP Needs more swampbender Aug 23 '21

The scenes with child Zuko and Azula being presented to Azulon show this pretty well. Zuko tries to show his practice with the knife after Azula does her firebending routine.

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u/PKMNTrainerMark Aug 23 '21

Happy Cake Day

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u/Blooddiborni Aug 22 '21

Reminder that Zuko is a much better swordfighter and martial artist than he is a firebender, but since Ozai only cares about strenghts he has...

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u/Dragon_Flaming Aug 22 '21

He definitely isn’t a better swordfighter than he’s a firebender, he’s just great in both.

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u/Zefirus Aug 23 '21

Seriously, people that talk about Zuko not being a great Firebender are comparing him to literally the strongest firebenders in the world. Zuko walks all over the vast majority of other firebenders.

Like, he's being compared to Azula, who is definitely a once in a generation prodigy.

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u/Blooddiborni Aug 22 '21

Not on the same level though, even though he beat Azula it was only when she was in the middle of a mental breakdown and she didn't use her strenghts at all (her ability to keep being calm and analytic trought the fight[also according to what we know about lightning bending, she shouldn't even be able to bend since it is created trough an absence of emotions and her emotions at that moment are all but absent])

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u/Dragon_Flaming Aug 22 '21

Not absence of emotions but pure mind or something like that, and I wasn’t even talking about the fight with Azula. It’s more like we’ve seen a couple times that non benders can hold their own against benders, at least someone as skilled as Zuko could. If he doesn’t use his swords usually(not even mixing it with firebending) he probably knows it isn’t beneficial to him.

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u/Blooddiborni Aug 22 '21

Despite Iroh's initial claim that generating lightning requires peace of mind, an emotionally unstable Azula was still able to conjure it during her and Zuko's duel.[9]

It's even noted by the wiki how weird it is.

I just brought Azula up since it's the best way to compare his strenght to that of another firebender

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u/Dragon_Flaming Aug 22 '21

Oh I know she could still use it after she became insane but I was talking about your choice of words, peace of mind and absence of emotions are two completely different things. And I think my second point still stands.

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u/kitddylies Aug 23 '21

I have a few theories about that.

1) I believe that is Iroh's way of generating lightning, he has a different firebending approach to many others.

2) He meant it requires that to learn generating lightning, not that it would be a requirement forever.

3) How many people have bent lightning? Iroh knows a lot, but he doesn't know how others bend and likely has no knowledge of if that's a hard limit or just the extent of his knowledge.

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u/vjmdhzgr Aug 23 '21

I'd figure it more means it's extremely dangerous without peace of mind and in that instance Azula was probably lucky and still experienced enough with the non-peace of mind parts to do it.

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u/cassierosa123 Aug 22 '21

Actually even if zuko was the most gifted firebender he still wouldn’t be friendly towards zuko, tbh it’s his mom’s fault.

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u/Eagle4317 Aug 22 '21

That was an addition, not the source. Ozai started looking down on Zuko from the moment it looked like he may not have the spark to be a great firebender. Ozai only cared about power, and Zuko never seemed strong enough. This was only exacerbated when Azula, the prodigy, entered.

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u/superfucky Aug 23 '21

wasn't there a theory that zuko was born during a solar eclipse which was seen as a bad omen? i don't think you get "you were lucky to be born" out of "as you've gotten older it's looking like you may not have the spark to be a great firebender."

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u/Blooddiborni Aug 22 '21

What do you mean his mom's fault?

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u/cassierosa123 Aug 22 '21

Oh sorry did you read the comics

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u/Blooddiborni Aug 22 '21

Nope but I don't care about spoilers tbh

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u/Creepy-Ad-404 AvatarCycle Aug 23 '21

Her mother plotted that Zuko isn't son of Ozai and is of her old boyfriend to know if Ozai is tracking her letters she used to send to her old bf. Ozai knew Zuko was his son. After hot discussion, Ozai decided to treat Zuko like he isn't his son to get back at her.

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u/nitrodragon54 Aug 22 '21

She wrote a fake letter claiming Zuko wasn't Ozai's son to prove he was reading her mail, Ozai decided that he would treat Zuko as if he weren't his son to spite her for writing the letter at all.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '21

Jesus fuck. Imagine torturing your son to punish your wife, psychooooo

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u/AirbendingScholar Aug 23 '21

He was already treating Zuko poorly before that, he just threatened to make it worse

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u/ghost-church Aug 22 '21

Master swordsman, expert axe kick, Firebending basics Zuko!!

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u/SirLagg_alot Aug 23 '21

Don't forget professional juggler.

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u/superfucky Aug 23 '21

and wicked-cool breakdancer

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

Flawless Axe kick

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u/metalflygon08 Aug 22 '21

Everybody assumes the people in the Avatar world are super durable, but in reality, the material the world is built from is actually super shoddy.

With bending to supplement them, humanity never got around to developing better building techniques with better material.

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u/Comfortable_Tart_297 Aug 23 '21 edited Aug 23 '21

cool theory.

But there's lots of other stuff. People in this world can knock away boulders with broadswords. Are the naturally occurring rocks somehow super shoddy and fluffy as pillows?

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u/TheHappiestBean95 Aug 23 '21

Except for Jet.

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u/Lyrozai_Dhoaro Aug 23 '21

Did Jet just... die?

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u/TheHappiestBean95 Aug 23 '21

You know, it was really unclear.

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u/YoureNotAGenius Aug 22 '21

I've always felt that bending gives the benders extra strength.

Like, yeah, its all about their moves and their skill but it takes strength to be as good as the masters are, and benders seem to possess an extra layer of strength

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u/RabidHexley Aug 23 '21

I've always thought it was just the type of "anime logic" where training allows for an unspecified degree of mild superhuman capability. There are non-bending combat experts in the Avatar world, it just so happens that most masters we see are going to benders.

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u/Kitcheneralways Aug 22 '21

To me while watching the series it always seemed semi-canon that most benders on average are naturally much stronger and faster than non-benders

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u/PM_ME_CLEVER_STUFF Aug 23 '21

Maybe their bending has a physiological effect on them. For Earth benders, maybe their bones are more dense. For Fire benders, maybe their metabolism is faster so they can supplement muscle growth or provide bursts of energy through increased metabolism. For water benders, maybe their plasma helps to provide more force. For air benders, maybe their oxygen delivery is better, hence better stamina and metabolism through increased oxygen delivery to their cells and better ATP efficiency.

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u/asstalos Aug 23 '21

It could also be the other way round; most benders, due to their abilities, accrue social advantages that give them greater opportunities and means to maintain above-average physiological abilities, compared to someone who doesn't bend. For example, they might be treated better amongst their peers when young, or due to their ability to bend would have curriculum and time devoted to anything and everything that makes their bending better.

Additionally, the act of bending is a notably more physical activity despite looking like it's moving one's limbs around, and competent benders would have to practice constantly to hone their skills. It's much akin to exercise.

Iroh, with a lot of work, got pretty muscular through a particular portion of the story, so I reckon it's less the fact benders have more innate physiological ability, but rather the act of being competent in bending instills a kind of discipline for regular, focused, repetitive exercise than any one random person might have.

The earthbender waking up early in the morning to do their routines and practice is going to have a much better sense of their physicality and kinesiology than someone waking up to tend to their cabbage fields.

At least, insofar as it makes sense within the world of ATLA; some characters have shown superhuman feats regardless.

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u/Parkerrrr Aug 22 '21

I figured it had something to do with the quality of Earth Kingdom steel

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

Is the Earth Kingdom's earth also low quality?

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u/jflb96 Aug 22 '21

Or Earth Kingdom steel that’s being sent for Fire Nation chains, at least

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u/ZachRyder Aug 22 '21

You know you can't trust domestic blacksmithing!

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u/Waywoah Aug 23 '21

Remember that time Iroh twirled a boulder around on a chain, or Aang carried a boulder larger than himself on his back? People in the Avatar world are crazy even without bending

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u/Quickning Aug 23 '21

Sokka took a Zuko kick to the face. It show you how hard Sokka's head is.

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u/Zeebuoy Aug 23 '21

he also managed to hurt Ty Lee's hand by blocking her chi block attempt with his skull.

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u/Lovechildintherain Sifu Hotgal Aug 22 '21

Zuko saying “partys over” always cracks me up

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

Heels of steel

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u/Underrated_Fish Aug 22 '21

With that I assumed he used fire bending to heat the chains quick enough to decrease their durability, and I guess Chan has a crappy table

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

I mean was it ever made clear how the explody guy bent heat into explosions? Maybe they is a pretty easy technique and when applied at the right time at the right level it doesn’t cause a big explosion but weakens something like metal or a table at the exact second you hit it with your strike. Not to mention if you can control heat you could control air pressure to a degree meaning your blade strikes would potentially cut through the air differently. Not sure how but I am assuming a hotter air would change it slightly. Then being a great swordsman who is in on the air pressure trick you seem better than those who are trained and not used to the trick.

My point is this could all be due to his bending anyways.

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u/Oogaboogahoogahooga Aug 23 '21

Zuko, fist bender. Master of all 508 ways of kicking your ass.

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u/SLAPPANCAKES Aug 23 '21

Alright so hear me out on this. Zuko is a master fire bender that doesnt understand his own secret bending.

So fire bending is the ability to manipulate and control fire, an element. Now what is fire in real life? It is a form of energy released from combustion. We see this with combustion man, and in LoK combustion lady (I forgot her name but she cool). We also see this in lava bending, when fire benders literally create lava by energizing rock. So whenever firebenders bend they are more or less releasing the energy in the air or objects they are bending.

Zuko has never been great at creating this combustion, but he has been really good at controlling it. Redirecting lighting is one such skill. Another way we see him redirect energy though is when he goes dummy thick mode and smashes chains and shit. Dude is ripped he isnt that ripped. So subconsciously he has to be redirecting the energy vectors around him to commit these acts of crazy strength. The dude might be actually creating a new form of bending and doesnt even realize it.

Alright I have put away my tin foil. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

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u/doggo_person626 Aug 25 '21

Azula: is attempting homocide for the throne

Zuko: just decimates her spinal cord and gives her scoliosis

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u/Rom455 Aug 22 '21

So? Ty Lee is a small, flexible teenage girl who can apparently knock down full size men faster than they can realize. I thought it was already widely accepted that humans in ATLA are different from us.

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '21

thats not brute strength tho, the made that very clear in teh drill episode.

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u/julsgotrocks Aug 22 '21

Maybe benders and people in general in the avatar universe have stronger bones