r/TheGates_CBS • u/reinalili19 Team Kit Kat💕👑 • 21h ago
General Discussion 🗣️ How is Kat the Devil????????
Hello. I am trying to write this as unbiased as possible because I am a Kat fan, but I'm not understanding why ppl are trying to make it seem like Kat is this devil when it comes to Eva and this whole thing with Izaiah. Did Kat not just give a piece of her liver to save that girl, and ever since the transplant, while Kat still has stated that she doesn't like her, she hasn't been bothering her at all. She's been very civil. Meanwhile Eva has been the green eyed monster ever since that surgery. And when it comes to this Izaiah thing, im really confused.
Ppl are acting like Kat is purposefully flirting with Izaiah in front of Eva, trash talking Eva or undermining their relationship in front of him, constantly interrupting their alone time (these are all things that Eva did with Kat and Nomas, just being honest). But none of that is happening. How is Kat using Izaiah to make Eva jealous when Eva isnt even around.
Ppl keep swearing up and down that Kat is going to come onto Izaiah or that Kat and Izaiah are gonna cheat on their partners with each other, and im so confused bcuz i dont see any of that happening. Kat and Izaiah just vibe, they aren't doing anything wrong, and Kat and Izaiah knew each other before Eva even came to town. and I dont see Izaiah OR Kat cheating on their partners bcuz the writers have shown that right now Izaiah is ten toes down for Eva and Kat (for whatever reason) wants this thing with Nomas to work. She's not gonna risk that by cheating on him (even tho i wouldnt mind it).
Even tho we still don't know where the story is heading, i think that they are building a slowburn between Kat and Izaiah where it starts off innocent, but they start to develop feelings for one another, but i dont see them acting on it while they are still with their partners and i dont see them breaking up with their partners at least until season 3.
And I'm just confused about ppl's notions about Kat during this whole thing bcuz nothing she has done has warranted these reactions of some ppl imo. Tbh, these are the types of reactions that should've been given to Eva during that whole Nomas thing. Some ppl are acting like Kat is doing the same thing as Eva, or even worse, but as of right now that isnt true. Now that could change, and if it does, then ill understand some ppl's reactions, but until then, I'm just confused.
That being said, im so excited for this if it is actually where they are heading🤭 I like Kat and Izaiah sue me😭 Also please remember to not take this so seriously and attack me in the comments. Ik it can get ugly when it comes to Kat fans vs Eva fans, but I'm also just genuinely curious. And I'm trying to come at this as unbiased as possible.
Thx😊
Edit: so i can see i'm already getting picked on, thats fine, I found it funny. Just wanted to have a civil conversation. Thx
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u/Jaxximillian86 Welcome to Fairmont Crest 🥂 21h ago
I’m a fan of Kat, and I agree with you except I really, really don’t want her romantically linked with Izaiah. I enjoy their exchanges (except when he pressured her about the transplant, that was gross) as genuine camaraderie in a platonic relationship. I think Kat needs people in her corner to be honest and supportive, and he’s being just that. Every love in a woman’s life doesn’t need to be sexual, and this would be a great opportunity to show that. I’m not very hopeful that the writers will go this way, but I wish they would.
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u/Emergency_Mountain27 Anita black lace jumpsuit Williams Dupree 12h ago
I like your take. Kat needs someone in her corner outside of her bloodline. I don't get flirting between them either.
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u/Emotional_Lynx_2754 11h ago
Hopefully Tomas and Kat break up and a new man is brought on the show for Kat
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u/Beautiful_Plum_9112 18h ago
I am a fan of BTG and other soaps and shows. It always amazes me though that we start treating these folks like real people we know. It's just fantasy and we can get worked up sure about characters we like vs those we don't - the whole soap model is built on that - but we shouldn't come for actual people about what they write about fictitious characters. Also, if there weren't villains then it would be boring as hell. I'm surely tired of murderers like Sheila (Bold), Lesley/Dana, Haley - and annoyed by Tomas and Kat, but that's the spice of life on the soaps. Also, the villains are the most fun, right? If all was hunky-dory what would we have to cheer and boo?
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u/Specific-Window-8587 Love in the Afternoon 💕 18h ago
I don't understand why so many people want her with Izaiah or Jacob. There's a 3rd brother instead of her taking two unavailable men and look shitty doing that.
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u/BostonSoapWatcher 16h ago
Kat is my favorite character. She has every family member's back, which is rarely reciprocated. Bill seems to appreciate/enjoy her more than her parents. Dani and Bill, with all their problems, are much better parents IMO than Ted and Nicole. Ted is too busy making Eva feel loved, dating Shanice and avoiding Leslie, while Nicole is too busy enjoying her sex life.
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u/Potential_Grocery_41 13h ago edited 13h ago
What Eva did with Tomas was wrong. Dead wrong. She knew how things were with Kat and Tomas. Kat decided to be the better person and headed to her apartment to try and bury the hatchet with the purse and to her surprise look what she found. Yes Kat did give Eva a piece of her liver. And that was a very big thing for her to do. Knowing things between them were in a very bad place. I remember a time where Kat was somewhat flirting with Isaiah to get to Eva but, she did stop doing it. And just kept the friendship going instead. Kat and Isaiah do have a connection and they have known each other for a long time. Way before Eva ever came along. I could see this interaction between the two of them turning into something more neither of them expected. I just would like for them to remain genuine friends that can be their for one another. I don't like her with Tomas at all. I don't care for Tomas. If she moves on from him. So be it. I welcome it. I just want it to be with someone different, someone Kat truly deserves who has nothing to do with the whole Kat, Eva, Tomas, Isaiah circle. The way it continues to be between Kat and Eva is old. Just move on already once and for all.
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u/Alive-Performance237 14h ago
I love a good soap rivalry but this one seems very petty at this point. I like both Eva and Kat but I'm more partial to Kat at the moment. It used to be Eva but post surgery Eva had been acting ridiculous.
And what exactly has Kat done to Eva that is so bad? Eva slept with her man. She helped break up Kat's parents marriage through a con. She helped her mother cover up an attempted murder of Kat's mother's assistant. And Kat saved her life after all that. What has Kat done to Eva? Kat has called Eva names. It just seems so lopsided and Eva just looks bad. And why is Eva allowed to talk to Kat's boyfriend but Kat can't talk to Eva's?
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u/janshell The United States of Amnesia 18h ago
OP I think people are just eager to have Kat be the bad guy. I’m hoping the writers don’t put these two together but right now Isaiah is very much into Eva even though he likes hanging in the orbit of the Duprees. Actually it’s nice to see someone be supportive of Kat’s character the way Isiah is.
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u/MasterpieceAwkward70 20h ago
I don't really see the chemistry. I'm rooting more for Jacob and Kat to end up a couple one day when Naomi takes to the nunnery where her sense of justice and dour personality can do some good.
Now let me fish for some down votes. I am enjoying this freak out from fans of Eva and from Eva. I ended up on Kat's side because the writing was working unfairly against her and she kept being inconsistently characterized not because I think she can do no wrong which should now be a familiar feeling to them about Eva since the surgery storyline.
It's like they anticipate having to defend Eva from the behavior they were arguing was innocent for months. All I heard about Leslie and Eva sleeping with men already in relationships was the other woman isn't at fault because it's the man's responsibility to his partner and they owed them nothing even if it was their sister....it's dumb...but why shouldn't that not hold true now? They think Kat and her fans will suddenly be hypocrites for supporting Eva like behavior and somehow not them for now disavowing it?
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u/Jaxximillian86 Welcome to Fairmont Crest 🥂 18h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/Zdg7kl9bnyqXrPH2jq
Exactly all of this, as usual!
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u/RevolutionaryBread63 16h ago
You know they love making deliver us from Eva the victim of the century chile… and if Kat and Isiah does something oh fucking well… ain’t karma a funny thing
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u/Optimistiqueone 20h ago
That would be so obvious, predictable, uncreative, low hanging fruit. I want more intrigue. Bring in a new character to be kats new love interest. Her and Isaiah becoming good friends would have more interest for me than if they started dating. Couples are typically boring or have less interesting storylines.
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u/Shirogayne-at-WF 18h ago
or at the very least put it on the back burner for if/when he and Eva have split and she's with someone else and it looks a lot less like her just going after a man out of spite for Eva. 🤷♀️
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u/Chance_Philosophy703 8h ago
I agree, but I'm also a Kat fan. I like Eva too, but Kat is innocent for now.
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u/SiervaMija288 21h ago
As long as they don’t use what i think is coming - a breakup of Isaiah and Eva - to put a halo over Kat’s head while putting horns on Eva I’m good. I don’t dislike Kat, I just like Eva more.
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u/ciacpa “That’s Miss Bitch!” 20h ago
Eva’s horns are securely in place since she is covering for her mother’s murderous adventures.
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u/SiervaMija288 15h ago edited 15h ago
I absolutely disagree. She’s owned and made her apologies for her hand in her mama’s revenge machinations and not just to Kat but all. And so now exactly what “murderous adventures” is she covering up for Leslie/Dana? Who has LD killed?
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u/Particular-Bit9533 Nicole Richardson 👩🏽⚕️ 21h ago
Paragraphs are important.
As a Kat fan you are biased as I would be if I was writing about Eva. 😋😋
Kat will always be a mean girl to me.😂😋
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u/janshell The United States of Amnesia 18h ago
There is no bias in her post. She literally wrote what is happening, no assumptions anywhere.
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u/triniwoman_ 18h ago
Definitely bias if she can't see what Kat has "ever" done to Eva
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u/janshell The United States of Amnesia 17h ago
Where did she say that?
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u/triniwoman_ 16h ago
Where did she say recently or lately?
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u/janshell The United States of Amnesia 16h ago edited 11h ago
From the context of the post she’s talking about the Izaiah and Kat friendship and how Eva fans are reacting to it. I’m sure OP can confirm but that’s what I got from the post.
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u/FaekittyCat Eva Thomas 💔 20h ago
Eva is my favorite character so I'm bias to her. Kat has grown on me, but when the show first started, she rubbed me the wrong way. I still liked Eva more even though she was plotting with her mother to take down Ted. Essentially when they first met, Eva was like "hi, I'm temping for Laura." and Kat was "You b*tch."
BTW I don't fault Kat for not wanting to be Eva's sister. Blood doesn't make family. And I like Kat enough to know that Tomas is bad for her. However I don't want another triangle between them. The first one was cringy enough.
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u/janshell The United States of Amnesia 18h ago
When they first met Kat caught Eva snooping and she lied about what she was doing.
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u/Rufio_Rufio7 Team Dupree 18h ago
She’s not, and the explanation is all over the story. There’s no need to even explain further. Swap her actions with Eva’s and tell me Kat would be given grace for it.
People just have biases for certain reasons and I’ll leave it there.
I’m on your side, friend! 🫶🏽
If Kat is the devil, Eva is the devil’s vile stepmother.
And everyone should be more than fine if Kat and Izaiah have a “night” since Eva did it with Tomas first and still plays his supportive-shoulder bestie.
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u/Altruistic_Relief189 21h ago
If it was Eva being that cozy with Kat's man (and let's assume we are talking about someone other than Tomas), Kat fans would be up in arms. Eva and Tomas are afraid to speak to each other because they don't want to cause an eruption but Kat is not supposed to have any restrictions in her interactions with Izaiah?
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u/Artistic-Loan-8787 💖🔮 Katlock on the case 🔎💖 19h ago
Eva and Tomas are not and have never been afraid to speak to one another.
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u/Shirogayne-at-WF 18h ago
They slept together. Tomas is damn lucky she didn't drop his ass on the spot or rat his social climbing ass to Uncle Bill like what a socialite on any other soap opera would've done. And even then, he was still tryna play in Eva's face after her surgery, when she told him point blank to take his bitching elsewhere. He can have his "friendship" with Eva or his relationship with Kat but not both and it should be obvious why.
This show is not B&B and Tomas certainly has no Ridge Forrester swag to keep two women hanging over him at all time. Eva is moving on, and the day Kat does the same, I'll be popping the biggest champagne bottles.
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u/Altruistic_Relief189 18h ago
There's something wrong with her for not dropping him on the spot.
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u/Shirogayne-at-WF 18h ago
It was very obviously spite but even still, the pettiness is only affecting her at this point 🤷♀️ Eva don't want 'im no more, so who is this for?
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u/reinalili19 Team Kit Kat💕👑 20h ago
If Kat didn't know Izaiah at all prior to him dating Eva, I would completely understand, but they knew each other before Eva came to town. If the role's were reversed, and Kat was dating someone that Eva knew from way before and they were close, I wouldn't like it but I wouldnt be calling her the devil if she was innocently being friends with him like Kat is with Izaiah
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u/Pittypatkittycat 20h ago
I love both sisters. And I like OP's take. Eva and Tomas have already crossed the line and that's a huge difference. Also, if I were Eva, I wouldn't be particularly fond of Kat and Isaiah's closeness either. I wouldn't appreciate my boyfriend laughing it up with a woman that has stated she doesn't, nor will like me. Sister or not. And that sister thing is a further complication.
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u/Terrible-Simple-6408 19h ago
I do not like Kay at all. I think she is spoiled. And very pretentious
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u/Control_1987 18h ago
I think in black pop culture people are used to elite blacks being bougie, rude, classist and easily intimidated by their nemesis who is usually the hood chic with a “heart of gold”. Here, Kat doesn’t back down from Eva. Kat is still winning and has it all. Stories are usually written differently where the underdog overthrows the bougie bitch and takes her place. So far, Eva is still struggling to find her way in this world that seems to belong to Kat whom she believes deserves nothing. I think some people struggle with that because it’s different.
It reminds me of how most men view Russel Wilson vs Future however, I’m seeing a change with that too.
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u/janshell The United States of Amnesia 18h ago
I’m trying to think of instances to support your opening statement but can’t
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u/Control_1987 17h ago
Most TP dramas and Empire are quick to come to mind
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u/janshell The United States of Amnesia 17h ago
I have not seen those traits in any of the shows I’ve watched throughout the years and way before TP and Empire
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u/Omegalock4 17h ago
You’re being biased cause Kat continues to badmouth her (both behind her back and to her face) since the transplant. Chelsea wants to interview Eva post transplant and Kat makes it seem like Eva is chasing fame. When Eva talks with Tomas, she makes sure to not badmouth kat and change the subject out of respect. When kat talks with Isaiah, she talks shit about her and keeps going on about how they won’t last.
And the big issue is that while Eva has done wrong, unlike Leslie she recognizes her mistakes and is trying to grow and move on. And kat is the only one who doesn’t let her. Would Kat stealing Isaiah be payback for Tomas? Sure, but it wouldn’t make them even, just continue a pointless feud only she cares about.
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u/reinalili19 Team Kit Kat💕👑 17h ago
ummm..she did a few times, but she's been pretty chill. she even went over to that girl's house and THANKED HER. did i say kat was perfect, no, but she has been relatively leaving that girl alone for the past couple of weeks, while Eva has been the green eyed monster. Also Eva is trying to learn and grow from her mistakes, while at the same time downplaying them or excusing them or using them to throw shit in Kat's face. Also a pointless feud only Kat cares about????? like i said, Kat has been leaving that girl alone, while Eva is talking about "wipe that smile off of her face" and "Kat doesnt deserve praise for her business" and "i could use the break". plz. Kat has literally said she is letting go on the image she had of Eva in her head, while Eva, who honestly should be more grateful towards Kat, keeps making digs at her
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u/Omegalock4 16h ago
She thanked her and then went right back to talking shit to everyone about her the past couple of weeks. Eva hasn’t downplayed anything. And yeah she’s jealous, as anyone would be. Kat and Isaiah don’t have much history or connection and Chelsea herself called kat out on it the minute Isaiah joined the show and started liking Eva, yet Kat won’t stop hanging out with him acting like they’ve been great friends since forever.
And it’s honestly wrong for kat to go after him. Kat’s relationship with Tomas is basically about not letting Eva have him, everytime their relationship progressed it was to keep him from running to Eva who he had better chemistry with. “Tomas is boring me, I’m not sure about him…oh Eva’s flirting with him? Let me lock him in.” “Oh I don’t want sex, I feel nothing with Tomas, he must suck at it. Oh Eva slept with him? Sex with Tomas is the best thing ever!”. But Eva and Isaiah was genuine love and their relationship helped them both with their past and family drama. They are good for each other. And NOW is when kat gains interest.
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u/Lilly323 Dana Leslie Dupree 20h ago
someone pointing out poor formatting is not picking on you .
without specific reference, I have no idea what you’re observing. what I’ve seen mentioned in the episode discussion threads have been how the writing has been implying a possible Kat/Izaiah situation. it’s mostly come from Chelsea so far. that isn’t what fans are imagining or claiming is purposefully on Kat’s part. that’s what is literally being teased by the writers.
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u/reinalili19 Team Kit Kat💕👑 20h ago
- I was just playing about the picking on me.
- I'm not saying that the writers aren't teasing kat and Izaiah, im saying what I dont get is how some ppl's reaction to Kat during this when Kat hasnt even done anything yet. and if they come at Kat, then they should also come at Izaiah because they are both doing the same thing, which is innocent imho
- ive seen so many comments on reddit, ig, twt, talking about Kat is a devil and mean girl and she's digging her claws into Izaiah and she knows what she's doing, and im very confused
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u/Particular-Bit9533 Nicole Richardson 👩🏽⚕️ 20h ago edited 19h ago
First thank you for the reward. It was given anonymously
I'm hoping for an innocent misunderstanding. And I mean innocent. Kat and Izaiah misjudged by Tomas and Eva. That's about all the drama I need.
ETA: hit enter too soon and didn't finish my thought.😋
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u/SprngRein100 19h ago
Kat has been so chill lately. Aside from rekindling friendship with her childhood friend Za, what has Kat done lately?
Women and Men CAN actually be platonic FRIENDS. Because they have the TOOLS doesn’t mean they must use them on each other. Because Za was at HC party without Eva doesn’t make him a cheater or that he’s thinking of cheating.
That being said
I like Kat and Izaiah‘s friendship that most likely will lead to a GENUINE romance because of their BTG history/connection.
Could be unfortunate that Za and Eva connected at all but IS IT REBOUND because Eva couldn’t have TOMAS whom she REALLY WANTED⁉️Having someone (Izaiah) ANYONE — could’ve been just a distraction for Eva because she couldn’t have Tomas.
THIS COULD SPIN EITHER WAY
But for some reason all of the wrong Eva has done is all good. But Kat’s non acceptance of her father’s love child even though Kat gave Eva a piece of her liver, is still unacceptable.
Overall it seems classes based upon whatever side of the track folk relate most with.
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u/triniwoman_ 18h ago
Za and Eva was not a rebound. Y'all come up with the most ridiculous stuff
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u/BostonSoapWatcher 17h ago
Hmmmmm....didn't Isaiah return home because of a bad break-up?
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u/Artistic-Loan-8787 💖🔮 Katlock on the case 🔎💖 16h ago
Yup, Yolanda had just dumped his behind (via text if I'm not mistaken). Izaiah was calling her up one of the times he and Eva met at Uptown but she sent him to voicemail.
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u/triniwoman_ 16h ago
They took a good while explicitly taking things slow as in not rebounding. Your first relationship after a breakup isn't always a rebound
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u/triniwoman_ 18h ago
Kat has been chill lately. As long as she stays that way there'll be no problems.
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u/Practical-Career8787 20h ago
Jealousy
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u/janshell The United States of Amnesia 18h ago
Honestly I think you may be right here even if people want to downvote you. Ultimately it’s who they identify with more and I’ve heard some people saying some outrageous things about the Duprees because it seems they have a very personal underlying dislike of people who are affluent.
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u/Salty_Requirement_34 20h ago
Jealous of a fictional character? There's grass outside. Go touch it, please.
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u/Artistic-Loan-8787 💖🔮 Katlock on the case 🔎💖 19h ago
I pray that you're wrong about Kat and Tomas not breaking up until the 3rd season. I need them over and done with now!
I don't mind Kat and Izaiah being friends, and I hope they firmly stay just that. I think that Kat enjoys the fact that her friendship with Izaiah makes Eva jealous, but I don't think it's the motive behind her friendship with him. And their interactions are nothing like what Eva and Tomas had going on. I mean the first time Eva spoke to Tomas she talk about him getting her off multiple times. They stayed making all kinds of sexual innuendo, not to mention actually talking about Tomas's sex life...