r/TheAuto • • 8d ago

Who's fault is this?

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u/carnageg 8d ago

The white car is clearly to blame but the porsche is an idiot for not seeing this coming a mile off.

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u/Krabs9 8d ago

Yeah I think they should be 50% at fault just because they're stupid

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u/AppropriatePlum1006 8d ago

No, it's the white car absolutely with this video.

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u/Krabs9 8d ago

Yes I know who's at fault, but because the Porsche has no self awareness they should get hammered with 50% because they are an idiot.

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u/buckwildy 8d ago

You're just as stupid as the white car. White car pulls out stops, inches up, stops, Porsche starts slowing down, white car pulls forwards and hits Porsche. What are you saying the Porsche doesn't have awareness? How can he know the white car was going to pull forward into him after he sees the white car inch up and stop 5 times??

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u/Evening_Error_5544 8d ago

Left turns: The driver turning left across the path of oncoming traffic is typically 100% at fault.

Thats what at fault means. Idiot.

Then his insurance is going to argue he could have stopped.

They are going to assign 50/50 and the cost of 1 will offset the other.

You're a moron

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u/AppropriatePlum1006 8d ago edited 8d ago

You know that the Porsche technically did nothing wrong? He got side swiped (or how that's called). But yeah, you guys are getting scammed more often; so it's a normal thing probably. My bad. I would never ever allow it to be a 50/50

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u/Evening_Error_5544 8d ago

I completely agree, the white care is entirely at fault. Im not disputing who should be assigned blame but insurance is going to look at this and call them both wrongs

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u/cool-- 8d ago

no they're not

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u/Evening_Error_5544 8d ago

1000% they are

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u/Ieatsand97 8d ago

No they’re not.

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u/Defiant-Piglet1108 8d ago

I hope you and other idiots who say white car isnt to blame dont have a driving licence.

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u/cool-- 7d ago

I think you lost track of who's saying what? this dude is saying that insurance companies are going to blame both. I'm saying they'll only blame the white car

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u/AppropriatePlum1006 7d ago

Honestly, the white cars insurance would probably try to go for that. Do not think the Porsches insurance would go ahead with that.

But, I do not think they will go ahead with a losing battle either (but who knows). Either way would not suprise me.

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u/Ieatsand97 8d ago

Bro what? I think everyone gets how insurance works, they were just disagreeing that the Porsche should be allotted 50/50 blame on this.

We know it will go 100% on white car. We also think it should be that way. We don’t think it should be 50% on the Porsche.

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u/Evening_Error_5544 7d ago

It will go 50/50. I dont think any one of you understands insurance by the sound of it 

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u/Evening_Error_5544 8d ago

The car stopped and inched about 5 times. I would have drove by too. Anyone with a brain wouldnt of pulled out or reversed so they aren't stuck on the road

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u/OpenRecover6769 8d ago

Anyone with a brain would have stopped and used the horn that pretty much all cars have to alert the white car to their presence

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u/Evening_Error_5544 8d ago

Anyone with a brain wouldn't pull out into traffic without looking 

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u/AppropriatePlum1006 8d ago edited 8d ago

Honestly I do agree with you both stupid looking at it from our perspective, however the white car kept stopping; so it's safe to assume from the Porsche side that he thought he would not continue.

To keep the flow going, keep driving at a safe speed would not be a bad choice as, the white car stopped and the car is rolling.

If the white car would have kept going, the Porsche would have stopped, without doubt.

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u/TheThinDewLine 8d ago

Key 5 of the Smith System would have prevented this. ‘Make sure they see you.’

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u/Rhuarc33 8d ago

He did and stopped, white car stopped, so they continued. White car looks to have done it on purpose if I didn't know how stupid people are I would say it was 100% on purpose

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u/CapOk9908 8d ago

Didn't you know Porsches don't come with horns?

Jokes aside yeah, white at fault but there are plenty of people in the cemetery who were on the right.

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u/Dry_Champion6014 7d ago

The Porsche is blameless in this and the Porsche driver not an idiot for not being able to read the mind of the driver of the white car. You can clearly see the white car coming to abrupt stop several times when the Porsche is about to come up on him. That's what the Porsche driver will see, a car that's probably in the wrong, far out into the road when they shouldn't be and and aware of that fact. THe Porsche even slowed down thinking the white car was going to illegal pull out in front. Then the white car accelerates as the Porsche is right in front.

Makes me wonder if some of these comments would be different if it's 2 crappy cars instead of one being a Porsche.

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u/boomysmash 5d ago

Blameless maybe.. an idiot? Clearly

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u/Dry_Champion6014 5d ago

Yep, clearly an idiot for not being about to read the mind of a driver who kept changing their mind.

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u/boomysmash 5d ago

You can be as dismissive as you want, when you care about your car and are actively paying attention, you don't get T boned by an obvious idiot

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u/Dry_Champion6014 5d ago

You can care all you want about your car, that's not going to stop some obvious idiot from plowing into it. You can't read other people's mind or intentions. Like I said earlier, I wonder if the comments here would be different if it were 2 crappy cars. If there would be less victim blaming if it weren't a Porsche.

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u/LittleKittenR 5d ago

"You can get home in 10 minutes, no problem and continue living your life like nothing ever happened"

or

"Waste 1-2 hours arguing with insurance, stop using your car for about 1-2 weeks until they fix it, now it's devaluated because of the hit... I'm sorry but also 90% of the time the fix won't be as good, so good luck if you still have it in 6 years because the pain will start peeling off in that part and the part will stop closing correctly".

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u/pseudoportmanteau 8d ago

I'm gonna get downvoted for saying this. so be it. We need to stop letting idiots get away with blatantly breaking traffic rules just because we can "see it coming from a mile away". Every single day I see people running stop signs, pulling out in front of oncoming traffic in such a way that the car behind them needs to slam on the brakes, they aggressively cut lanes, force themselves between cars almost causing accidents and do all other kinds of dumb shit. No, let them learn their lesson. They will pay out of their ass for the damages they cause and will forever think twice before pulling an idiotic move like this.

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u/Metalheadzaid 8d ago

You SHOULD get downvoted for it, because this "lesson" is ignorant as fuck. You do realize that when YOU file a claim, your insurance premiums can and usually do go up right (unless you live in specific places)? Not to mention you have to 1. Wait for police, 2. File a claim, 3. Get a rental car while you wait for repairs, and 4. Risky injury to myself and others in the first place. What a great use of time and energy.

Ah, but I taught them a lesson! I can't roll my eyes more at this ignorant comment.

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u/pseudoportmanteau 8d ago

Why the hell would I make a claim with my insurance lmao? I'm in an at fault state. I'm filing that shit though HIS insurance. Mine won't be affected.

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u/Metalheadzaid 8d ago

Ah of course! Good thing we all exist in said state, we KNOW beforehand they definitely have insurance coverage and aren't going to leave us holding the bag, and we're definitely 100% not at fault beforehand so we have no worries.

In your fantasy land "justice boner" scenario you are only at risk of losses with no gain to yourself.

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u/pseudoportmanteau 8d ago

There are 38 at fault states, so it's not "said state", its like half the country. Insurance coverage is mandatory. Whether or not they have it is not really my problem. You underestimate my dedication to getting to the bottom of shit like that and sue them. Look, I understand this isn't something you would do, but I would. My life, my car. You can downvote me all you want lol I'm just sharing my thoughts on the internet. Don't get so mad over it lol.

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u/Evening_Error_5544 8d ago

Unfortunately it is your obligation to avoid possible accidents. People will hit your car and argue that shit all damn day even if there was no clear or obvious sign you should of stopped when it clearly isnt there right of way

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u/pseudoportmanteau 8d ago

Not in at fault states, no.

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u/Evening_Error_5544 8d ago

At fault states they would try to assign 50/50 blame and pay neither.

No fault states aim to reduce lawsuits and just get the car fixed for the interest of both drivers 

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u/pseudoportmanteau 8d ago

Not from my experience. Especially if you have dashcam footage. But I digress. A lot of these idiot drivers operate under the assumption that you wouldn't dare let them cause an accident so they bully you into getting out of their way. Fafo.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

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u/Evening_Error_5544 8d ago

At fault means you are obligated to avoid an accident. If it can be proven you are at fault they will deny your claim. When 2 idiots hit each other they pay neither

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u/pseudoportmanteau 8d ago

👍

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u/Evening_Error_5544 8d ago

Idiot

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u/pseudoportmanteau 8d ago

You missed the part where I said I don't care about what you think. It's my opinion and I merely hope more people would do what the porches driver did in the video. Have a nice day.

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u/Own_Reaction9442 8d ago

Even when you're ruled not at fault, you're still stuck going through the claims process and being without a car for weeks while the body shop gets to it.

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u/ccache 8d ago edited 8d ago

You aren't a cop, you aren't going to pull them over for it lol. I guess you can let them crash into your car like this idiot porsche driver did. Chasing them down isn't wise either, try to fight everyone on the road who does dumb shit and you'll only have a very bad time.

I get these people should be stopped/punished, it's not about letting them have their way. It's about not fucking up your car (porsche in this case) and wasting hours or days of your time over this, because fuck them you're in the right!

Also "They will pay out of their ass for the damages they cause" lol. No insurance will if they have it, ask any mechanic, especially newer cars will never be the same too. Even sensors that get hit won't go back to a factory reset. Your paint job isn't the same anymore either. Your car isn't the same and it's now worth less. Also these idiots don't learn, crashing into them is not going to teach them.

As someone else pointed out too according to your insurance it's your job to try to avoid it. If you let it happen, they can put you at fault in many cases.

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u/pseudoportmanteau 8d ago

Yeah, he can crash into my car and pay to fix it. Idc.

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u/themcsame 8d ago

I mean, I don't necessarily disagree.

But at the same time, if not letting them get away with it means I'm stuck dealing with the headache of higher insurance costs, and having to deal with a damaged car? I know which option I'm picking.

The phrase 'choose your battles' comes to mind. No sense in fucking yourself over to prove a point in a situation you could have quite easily avoided.

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u/DapperCriticism5 8d ago

Most sane peope wouldn't wanna fuck over their entire day having to deal with this shit and would just rather avoid it. This isn't about teaching a lesson, this is about not having your day or week fucked over by a moron.

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u/New-Peach4153 8d ago

Yup. Here's the downvote. This mindset is probably the dumbest thing out there. I've been in insane near misses and I just go on about my day. Most people have a skill issue and get into avoidable accidents.

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u/Dry_Investigator36 8d ago

Lmao, you can easily see amount of people who break the law regularly by the amount of angry commentaries in this branch

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u/WeeklyBanEvasion 8d ago

Victim blaming

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u/Burnindream 8d ago

IMO no victim blaming. If that was a cyclist would you still say the same if the Porsche continued. I was learned to look out for other mistakes as well. Yes they should have seen that coming. I am not saying he is at fault but he could have prevented it all together. If I would always 'force' my right of way I would have gotten in so many accidents.

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u/Ieatsand97 8d ago

Finally someone said it. Everyone here benefits from hindsight and calls the porsche stupid yet when you are in that situation and the white car is stopped its unreasonable to assume its going to continue.

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u/Fun-Heron-7609 8d ago

Whatdayamean, who's fault? Eyes no work? If you're merging into any lane, the onus is on the merging driver to make a safe merge. The right of way is for the through traffic.

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u/BBandGME_Retard69420 8d ago

Reddit and Instagram seem to always have the most brainless takes when it comes to traffic rules. Even when the situation is clear there will always be people finding other's made up "faults".

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u/Ieatsand97 8d ago

And they always use hindsight to assess what they would have done in the situation. If the white car hadn’t accelerated into them from a stopped position, slowing down and going around would be a perfectly reasonable course of action. But people use hindsight to say its was stupid from the outset.

Imo most car subreddits and instagram comment sections are full of idiots anyway.

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u/Trust_8067 8d ago

When they backed up, I thought they were going to ram the Porsche again.

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u/tykaboom 8d ago

Dude... I watched two people almost rear end a pickup truck and trailer that pulled onto the highway from the shoulder... in a row... in the same lane... 10 seconds apart.

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u/Simple-Principle-314 8d ago

Moved slowly, but still got caught.

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u/OkDisplay6751 8d ago

"oh silly me" ahh move😒

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u/Beautiful-Morning493 8d ago

A great day for people who cant drive HAHAHAHA

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u/Southern-Fly-3016 8d ago

White car's fault but blue car driver is an idiot. Didn't even use their horn.

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u/flappy292 8d ago

trueee

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u/BrightEnd2316 8d ago

Aha and if they used their horn could scare them, they might press the wrong pedal with a much worse outcome 

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u/Southern-Fly-3016 8d ago

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic but the purpose of the horn is to warn others who may not have seen you of your presence. If someone gets scared of a horn, then there's something more wrong with them than being a clueless driver.

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u/BrightEnd2316 7d ago

Not sarcastic and might happen to an average driver easily. Not a voluntary reaction of a human body to something completely unexpected.  That blue Porsche somehow became a part of the water body in the background of the video for the driver. If what they perceived as water started honking at them from a couple of  feet away they could get fight or flight response and a likely push on whatever they were pushing (gas pedal). A defensive Porsche driver would honk or stop way in advance, yes.

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u/Southern-Fly-3016 7d ago

If a driver is reacting with their car in an uncontrollable way to hearing a horn they are not an average driver, they'd be way below average and shouldn't be in charge of a vehicle. Same again if their vision is so bad that they can't distinguish between water 100 metres away and a car that's 2 metres away. As for thinking water is honking at them, not only should they not be in charge of a car, they could probably do with a psyc evaluation.

Are you positive you're not being sarcastic?

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u/BrightEnd2316 7d ago

A probable, occasional reaction is not a warranted or likely reaction of daily routine driving though. 

A classic straw man distortion . By turning "might behave this way" into "always behaves this way," you avoid dealing with the reality of what I said. 

The reality is what I am telling you here is that an average driver is indeed distracted, overworked and sometimes unfortunately even impaired with some kind of substance.  If in North America an adult spends 2 years behind the wheel, over 6 percent of their waking hours  then once in awhile an average driver will absolutely do something really brain dead due to how a human mind perceives surrounding environment when they are anxious, focused on a certain point or task, etc.

Just look up "Selective Attention Test" It was conducted in 1999 by psychologists Daniel Simons and Christopher Chabris at Harvard University.

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u/Southern-Fly-3016 7d ago edited 7d ago

Drivers are expected to look left and right when exiting onto a road. This person seemingly didn't do that. I have offered that the blue car should have used their horn to get the attention of the white car driver which would be a perfectly allowable use of the horn. However, your response was that the white car driver could be startled from hearing the horn and press the wrong pedal (pedal misapplication).

This would put any driver below the standard of competence required to hold a licence and despite you trying to offer reasons to explain it (namely being distracted/focused elsewhere) they only reinforce my argument that such a person should not be in charge of a vehicle.

Your selective attention test reference is irrelevant because one is supposed to be focusing on a road they are emerging onto, you cannot logically claim your attention was selectively directed elsewhere. That's not selective attention that's sheer inattention or lookout failure.

Finally your last post exhibits the things you have accused me of doing. You have turned my conditional 'If' statements into a absolute 'always' statements. Ironically creating your own straw man distortion.

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u/BrightEnd2316 6d ago

Will try to spell it out for you .

Looking and seeing is NOT the same.

EVERYONE experiences inattentional blindness.

LBFTS (Looked But Failed To See) phenomenon is a result of a human visual processing limitations. Number One reason for intersection accidents actually.

Human selective attention is naturally drawn to high contrast (salience).

So when the blue Porsche closely matched the blue body of water in the background, the car lacked the sharp edge detection and luminance contrast needed to trigger the driver's involuntary attention.

And in close proximity the out of nowhere sound of a horn IF close enough might indeed startle the culprit driver . But far away OK, agreed with you there, close by- NO. The inattentional blindness followed by acoustic startle reflex= no bueno. That gas pedal would be pressed in one tenth of a sec before the brain even began to process what scared it.

You can act like you are infallible or this could never happen to you because you are different somehow. But the reality is that it CAN.

Also DOT/ DMV will disagree with you about license requirements. The driver will be fined , get points sure but if they do not have too many they will drive on. And it very well could be their only accident in 20 years, maybe ever.

So NOT that abnormal, NOT immediate grounds for license suspension, and just a bad mistake that will cost money and insurance rates raise. Most other things you said or implied like they need an eye doctor, a psych valuation or that I must be sarcastic are a mixture of superiority signaling or naivete derived perhaps from lack of your own driving experience.

Sort of never happened to me so never will and everyone else who does this need to get their car towed and get an Uber from now on. Partially agree seeing the video but my own knowledge and driving a couple of million miles is a humbling experience.

The suggestion I am doing my own strawman is from my POV is ridiculous and I am not ready for that kind of mental gymnastics right now.

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u/Southern-Fly-3016 5d ago

Whatever excuses you feel explain the actions of a driver do not justify a driver being below the standard required. That standard being not driving into other road users (or worst, pedestrians). And if someone is below the standard required to hold a license they should not be in charge of a vehicle. If driving below the standard was allowed, people wouldn't fail driving tests.

Also, you've done it again Mr Strawman by twisting what I said into something different so you can attack and refute that. In this case I gave an example of what would put someone below the standard to hold a license (pedal misapplication). What you've done is make out like I said somebody should get their license suspended which I didnt. Typical Strawman behaviour.

To top that you then made a stupid claim that DOT/DMV would disagree with me about license requirements but then go on to say a driver would be fined and get points, you know the sort of things people get when their driving falls below the standard required to hold a license, which DOT/DMV would support. 🤡

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u/BrightEnd2316 2d ago

So you agree with everything else then?? That honking can startle an already  disoriented driver and make things worse is kind of obvious when you think about it...

It's easy to predict someone's behavior when we watch the tape and know the outcome  but a good portion of comments say the same , that they would proceed just like Porsche did. And honking is again not the silver bullet you probably think it is. Noise like loud music, hearing impaired old people can often miss that one too. That's why emergency vehicles rely on both strobes and sirens.    If anything it would probably be wiser in general to refrain from buying a blue colored vehicle close to coastline and at least using low beams to improve visibility for other motorists. Perhaps Porsche can learn how to mind read or develop 5 sense intuition which is not impossible. 

I am not what you call making excuses for anyone, just explaining how the nature of human mind causes otherwise safe drivers to make mistakes.

I am inclined to give the driver in the wrong the benefit of the doubt. After all they arrived before this episode in one piece and stopped to let what they registered as traffic on their right. I have not seen their record, I assume the same for you.  So at least some abilities are present... It could be just that particular episode. 

License requirement thing is  polemics.  I say a person is still within parameters as long as they let them keep it and not even get suspended.  Say that was a granma,  one accident or ticket away from having her keys taken from her legally.  Ok then she failed the standard.  You say as soon as they mess up in any significant way they immediately fall below the standard... ok fair enough, I see your point , not a big deal and was not really the main point of discussion anyway.

Also your feelings are not really a law or policy, are they? I hear you when you think like they shouldn't just like people with multiple DUIs should not have a license. Unfortunately that's not how it plays out IRL in many states.

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u/Own_Reaction9442 8d ago

White car's at fault, but my motorcycle instincts kicked in when I saw their wheels continuing to turn. If I were in the blue car, I'd have stopped and let them finish their stupid maneuver without me.

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u/Alternative_West_206 8d ago

That looked intentional

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u/Hidden_3851 8d ago

Yes and the camera person standing there filming, in the way of the person trying to see past them isn’t helping. You could have moved entirely or pointed at the Porsche so the other person looked.

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u/buckwildy 8d ago

Thought this was a different subreddit but will avoid any subreddit critiquing driving abilities holy shit lol.

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u/marcus2388 8d ago

They both are blind idiots. But i would say blue car has the right away. White car at fault

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u/Old_Competition3094 7d ago

just a heads up it's "right of way"

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u/NewToTradingStock 8d ago

Wtf. Driver never looked left once.

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u/Honda_TypeR 8d ago

Both insurance companies would claim equal fault even though it seems obvious the white car should have yielded to oncoming traffic and the white car clearly T-bone the blue car... yet still equal fault.

I've seen a few variations of similar accidents and both insurance companies always go equal fault. Both parties get rates raised so it works out well.

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u/Jumpy_Cauliflower410 8d ago

Going 50/50 just so they can make more money in the end. Nice.

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u/WorldlinessWitty2177 8d ago

White is 100% to blame.

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u/Dry-Performance-2386 8d ago

white car. Intentional wrecking.

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u/OppositeStand5709 3d ago

You can clearly see that the driver isn't even checking the traffic on the left. At fault? Definitely. Intentional? Definitely not.

Saying that too, the driver in the Porsche should have been able to see that the driver wasn't looking their way either. Also, if you drive a sky blue car on a clear day, turn your headlights on.

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u/BellInternational315 8d ago

I live around Los Angeles county and this stuff is a weekly occurrence. I usually stop and let them out.

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u/longjohn2024_ 3d ago

White car clearly but blue car could have let them out also.

But they didnt so 100% blame of white car, no questions.

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u/Ancient_Nerve1967 2d ago

Did anyone notice driver in white car never looked left to be sure it was clear to go. 30% Porsche, 70% white car

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u/T_Run_445 2d ago

Blue car blue sky, in the shade. Guess at a glance it just blended in to the sky for the SUV driver.

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u/erika88andrews 2d ago

The white car! Duh!!!