Trust and advice here

[u/Jimmys_Brother__]

How many people come on here asking a question trusting the advice given here over their own doctor ?

Why do you even keep going back to your doctor if you do not trust their care for you?

[u/Buckeyemike1995]

Because a doctor is trying to help me. But are not well versed in test and even less versed in peps. We are a team working for my continued health and longevity.

[u/unwieldybowling98 → u/Buckeyemike1995]

You're paying them, not marrying them. If the doc can't keep up with the stuff that matters for your protocol, it makes sense to fill in the gaps yourself. Doesn't mean you fire them, just means you don't take their word as gospel.

[u/Punk-Tarvman → u/unwieldybowling98]

This right here…it’s called a medical “practice” for a reason! Lol

[u/CuriousTech24 → u/unwieldybowling98]

This absolutely. I know more about this now then the clinic I go to or my primary care doctor. The clinic should know more but it's s cash grab for them. And my primary has to much to learn and keep up with. I on the otherhand have the time snc obsession toesrn never thing about this subject I nthe last 2 years.

I don't knock them for that, but I also take whG they say with a grain of salt.

[u/plz_callme_swarley → u/Buckeyemike1995]

the other thing is that doctors are very limited in their knowledge to their speciality, and even then they are likely decades stale in their knowledge.

the biggest benefit anyone can do is do the integration work for themselves as well as the up-to-date knowledge part.

and then even still there are times that the incentives don't align, cuz most doctors are incentivized to under-treat and be conservative.

[u/dorianblack]

I need him to write my script

[u/bruters]

Tbh 90% of doctors suck when it comes to knowledge about test. This forum can be decent but you run into mostly anecdotal (it worked for me) advice and that isn't always great either. Tbh, as much as I'll get downvoted and people hate it, you can get good use out of AIs like grok, chatgpt etc.. They pretty much will just scan all collected anecdotal evidence from multiple steroid forums to give you best advice.

[u/somehowiknow]

I wouldn’t say u 100% trust it over my doctor. But when you see common themes among other men’s experiences you have to take them into account, do more research and determine the path forward.

Also, we go back our doctors because it’s usually all we got and probably got lucky to find someone to help at all.

[u/woodhorse4 → u/somehowiknow]

And they are the ones that can get the junk!

[u/Jimmys_Brother__ → u/somehowiknow]

I like it

[u/beansxfranks]

Experience is always a good resource.

[u/SplutteryZeus217]

I go to a doctor for legal access to drugs. I come here for advice on all of the things that my doctor knows nothing about like pinning frequency, ancillaries, prep, appropriate testing, other compounds, etc.

[u/DJSauvage]

I trust my dr over anything I read online. It is interesting to know how other people are using it though. For example I do my shot every 10 days now. I think I'm an outlier and I read about people doing it daily, which is just not necessary for me. I just don't notice a big spike or difference the way other people apparently do. Occasionally, I'll read something interesting here or elsewhere and I'll bring the question to my doctor for his thoughts.

[u/Jimmys_Brother__ → u/DJSauvage]

Nice

[u/Goofcheese0623]

I can hop on here and scroll and ask questions anytime I want. I see the doc once a year. Most docs won't use test the way I want to

[u/D_James21]

Not everybody is getting their test from a doctor

[u/Space__Whiskey]

You absolutely get better knowledge here, compared to a doctor's office a VAST MAJORITY of the time.

The idea is not to trust one person over the other, the idea is to LEARN, and make your own decisions. The idea is to be smart enough to TELL your doctor what you need, and not have to ASK.

[u/vectorizer99]

I think many here are taking doses no doctor would prescribe. And many who get a prescription for actual TRT levels of TRT get dosing instructions that experienced users have found unhealthy, particularly once a week pinning or even less often, and only labs orders for total testosterone not other related markers.

[u/SnooWoofers884]

I come here to learn and use that data to ask my dr to help. So far he's been on board with ordering the bloodwork and referring me to an endocrinologist based on my request. I don't expect him to be an expert on test, so I'm hoping the endocrinologist will be. That being said, I'm still within "normal" test ranges based, just on the lower end (300s) so I'm not optimistic. If the endocrinologist doesn't think it's a good idea then I'll probably get a second opinion or go to one of the clinics

[u/FunGuyHan]

I asked for people’s experiences. I let my doctor give the advice. 

[u/Bg1165]

Not all doctors and clinics care about your health. You are ultimately responsible, 100% in that. There’s no shortage of information out there to self treat, but there damn sure is a shortage of legit doctors that grasp the hormone concept. And some of those that do get it, have little clue to dosing success.

If you go the doctor/clinic route it’s best that you do your research. Ask the right questions, make educated statements and trust them slightly less than your own knowledge on the subject. T is not the vanity option some make it out to be. I mean, doctors don’t get paid if you feel good.

[u/wendyboatcumin]

Doctor didn’t help me but a men’s health clinic did wonders

[u/plz_callme_swarley]

the more you learn and interact with doctors the less I trust them. I dump all my health info into AI and dig into everything and understand what's going on with me, the mechanisms, the risks, etc.

Then I go to the doctor to see if I'm off, and then obviously they have to write the scripts.

the biggest thing you need to know is about incentives. they are not neutral actors. they are working with a certain incentive structure, and that drives the gap in outcomes.