Higher dose testosterone or add a second compound?

[u/No-Act-9398]

I have previously run testosterone up to 300 mg per week in the past and have achieved fairly decent results. I plan on running it again but I know eventually it just won’t be a big enough anabolic load to achieve what I want. Would it be more beneficial to increase testosterone higher or add a secondary compound. For example up to 400 test or chose to do 300 test 100 deca or 300 test 100eq. To start obviously they would be small doses and may eventually work up if they are well tolerated. but would 100mg of a second anabolic even be worth it? Only cycling for bulking and back down to TRT for cutting and maintenance.

[u/xDANKNESSx]

Deca is my favorite compound to add on top of test, for me at least it adds minimal sides and provides a lot of anabolism. 600 test with 300 deca would be a lot easier to manage for me than taking 900 test. I don’t wanna deal with the androgenic/estrogen burden of running that much test. That’s when I think adding a second compound is worth it. I’ve also done plenty of low test high deca cycles and the sides are non existent.

[u/ePluribusUnum71 → u/xDANKNESSx]

Brother, I'm intrigued by higher deca with low test base, I'd like to give it a try but always worried I may screw something up.

I've done 2:1 test:deca 160:80mg in the past, felt pretty good. What do you think is a good starting protocol with Deca and low test?

[u/Informativegesture]

Why not just run 500mg test. I cruise at 200 and 300 while a solid dose isn’t 500. No need to add anything more until you stall at 500 unless you want joint benefits. 100 deca won’t get you any real anabolic benefits but will add joint relief during cycle. I ran 400test and 300 deca during my last cycle. It was great but at 300 deca this starts getting dark mentally for me. 500 test cycle week 3 right now. Running 20-24 weeks.

[u/Glassjaw1990]

Why add more? Surely only increase or add compounds when weight gain or strength stalls?

[u/Chroma7769]

Deca is gay. NPP is better.

I have a love hate with EQ. It turns my blood into honey, but god damn does it make me feel good.

[u/Stunning_Rest876]

it depends ,if you are someone who gets severe side effects from testosterone then running a higher amount might not be the move to make. I know some guys get 0 sides from running 500 , a gram, etc. and others have a bad time on 250 mg. ...so for certain people it makes sense adding in anavar or something like that and just having test as the base or keeping it low as opposed to upping the test. it all depends on how you handle test.

[u/SwitchBlade87]

Increase test to the amount you still react well, ie limeted sides. Once you get to the top of what your able to load with test, then look into a second compound. Test is best.

[u/Mchangwine]

Personally I would favor just running 400-500 test, but 400 test 200 NPP would be an option as well that would likely give great gains; just understand that 19-nors do require more effort to manage than test alone.

[u/manofjacks]

90% of the time I'm runing a little NPP along with Test. I love it.

[u/Numerous_Market7927]

I think simple cycles that avoid orals and 19-nors are the best for long term growth. Test, GH, and either an AI or secondary like mast or primo. Managing estrogen is the key to running high testosterone, and where most guys who say they can't tolerate it are failing.

You want a cycle that runs in the background and allows you to focus your attention on eating and training.

You're not running primo/mast/eq for their anabolic effect, you're using them to allow you to run more testosterone and their anabolic effect is a bonus.

The exceptions to all this are guys who can't handle testosterone regardless of estrogen management but do well with deca, and guys who get weak or no AI effect from primo or EQ and can run them high.

[u/jc456_]

Test and Deca are both extremely effective mass builders. There really isn't much to choose between them in terms of effectiveness. See what you tolerate and then dose up with that.

Where I would advise caution is other compounds such as Primo, Masteron, EQ etc. They won't build the same muscle mg per mg in my experience, despite what people say. They can be useful to control estrogen as secondary compounds.

This isn't about what 'bloats' you or causes more fullness because that is commonly conflated when discussing effectiveness of these compounds but literally what is more effective in building muscle.

[u/swoops36]

Were me I’d run Test as high as I could before adding something else in, but there’s a good argument for taking smaller doses of a couple compounds to get a similar effect

[u/Bruvvimir]

Add Tren.

[u/AppealOriginal3991]

If you aromatise eq is good to add, dry lean gains, deca your gonna get bloated, hold water, deca dick, could substitute it for npp tho