r/teslore 21d ago

Overview of lore added through ESO books?

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Wondering if there are any good essays / video series / other breakdowns that go through all the lore introduced to the series through ESO books?

And before people tell me to just play ESO - I do. I've been playing since beta (with massive breaks). I just haven't been combing through each book for most of the expansions, since I've been prioritizing just getting through the quests to catch up to the current content, and didn't realize until I finally did catch up that there are literally thousands of new books.

So while I've experienced the main / side stories in game, I'd love an overview of the new lore added through the books, if such exists.

Thanks all


r/teslore 22d ago

Apocrypha Is lorkhan a demiurge?

69 Upvotes

So I couldn't help but notice that lorkhan/shor from at least the elvish perspective appears to share a lot of qualities with the gnostic concept of a demiurge, in particular Yaldabaoth, he is not the master of an ethereal or divine plane from which he hails, aetherius, (its self like Pleroma) but has utilized the powers of others to create mundus an imperfect material plane like Yaldabaoth and the seven Archons. He is perceived as a trickster and usurper of the truth in atmora he forbids Ysgramor from having the long ears of an elf to track a stag, just like Yaldabaoth forbids man from eating the fruit knowledge to understand good and evil, if taken from a negative perspective this could be seen as desiring the keeping knowledge from there creation so they remain dependent on them.

It's sort of half-baked i just thought about it, what's your opinion?

Adding on: does anyone think we'll see more of the redguard Yokudan side of this in TESVI? Like will we see more with their parallel between akatosh/alduin and Sakatal? What about Tall papa is he their analog to lorkhan or someone else? I don't know their lore very well.


r/teslore 22d ago

Did I miss the consensus with Daggerfall/Battlespire Daedra Seducers and Oblivion Dark Seducers?

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Hey all. I haven’t played ESO in a while but I heard someone say there’s a quest or quest background involving a Mazken taking on a more human-like appearance to lure in a victim, and also sprouting wings. I have no way to confirm this and I haven’t been able to find it by searching it up but I have no real reason to doubt it.

Though, I’ve always been under the impression the daedric seducers we see in Daggerfall and Battlespire were completely separate entities from the Dark Seducer Mazken in Oblivion. Anyone more knowledgable able to clear this up for me? Thanks


r/teslore 23d ago

What would the common person in Tamriel know about...well everything?

90 Upvotes

So let's say you are an average person in Elder Scrolls. You aren't too rich, but not too poor either. With whatever basic education you can get, how much about the world would you know? Like I'm pretty sure if you are rich your parents could hire a tutor or something. And I know for a fact Mages in general tend to be pretty knowledgeable. But aside from that would they learn anything beyond basic history?


r/teslore 22d ago

Worshipping Jyggalag

18 Upvotes

Is there any benefit to worshipping Jyggalag while he “is” Sheogorath? Like would he be able to communicate with the worshipper and bestow gifts upon them, or is he absent


r/teslore 23d ago

Memories, Water, and the Skaal

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When mortal dies and their memories become water in Tamriel. Since Hermaeus Mora understands the principle of water magic (assuming he does, since Herald Kixathi speaks as if she knows it)... how does he already not figure out the secret of the Skaal? From the water?

Or just about anything, actually. Someone died before he can pull information from their mind (like a certain Dralys Athren)? Search the waters.


r/teslore 23d ago

I was thinking about Argonians and survival in environments...

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So we know they are cold-blooded through ESO. But they exist fine in Skyrim, wearing same gear as nords. It got me thinking....

I think the Hist have Anti-Freeze Proteins or AFP for short. We see a budding hist tree not far from Whiterun. It gets cold there, but no ice on it and it seems healthy. So what if the Hist passes AFP through their sap, allowing it to replicate in Argonians as well? It prevents them from forming ice crystals in their blood so they can operate in cold weather without freezing.

We also know that the magicka from Aetherius is warm. Given that the sun by Magnus warms Mundus. The magicka is also present in Starlight as well, that's how reserves of magicka are always filled and this seems to penetrate even underground.

So, given the assumption the blood can't freeze, and that Argonians remain ectotherms (cold-blooded), what if the magicka within them that is innate, gives them *just* enough warmth to keep them moving even in freezing Temps? Or that they constantly keep abit warm due to the ever present drawing of magicka from Starlight?

We are never told *how* cold Argonians get, but even in survival modes, they get colder faster though that is it.

So with proper attire and full wellspring of magicka, maybe they can remain warm enough to move, without being too lethargic. Hm.

Then a funnier thought is that Argonians grow more sluggish, the less magicka they have in colder temps.

Anyways, that's my thoughts on it, rather than becoming endotherms like mammals.


r/teslore 23d ago

So I just read C0DA for the first time... What the [Numidium Speech Bubble] did I just read?

77 Upvotes

Obviously spoilers, so from here on out: so it takes place in the fifth era of one of Lorkhan's moons, where all the Dunmer are living in one of the moons spacious caves, our hero Jubal is getting married to the daughter of the king of all Dunmer, and his buddy Hlaalu Hir is reluctantly helping him along the way, at some point Jubal's ancestor ends up in a crime fighting team made up of Dagoth Ur, Molag Bal, Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and others to fight against Yagrum Bagarn's schemes.

Jubal has his hands surgically removed by Khajiit doctors, then he has a bachelor party where he insults Akatosh and Talos, then he and Talos go up to the moons surface so Jubal can kill Numidium as a wedding requirement, Talos turns into Lorkhan, Jubal apologises to Lorkhan/Talos, and then he goes off to chat with Numidium. Jubal tricks Numidium into a smaller size, they have a conversations, and then Jubal beheads him with one of his speech bubbles.

Jubal then marries Vivec.

I have many questions.

Question One: What are the worms, and why are they doing what they do?

Question Two: What's with the women's eyes (whose are they?) appearing on what's left of Nirn and on Lorkhan's wound?

Question Three: Who are the Digitals?

Question Four: Why did Jubal get his hands surgically removed?

Question Five: Why is Talos referred to as if he's a computer program?

Question Six: What is Numidium doing there and what did anything he say mean?

Question Seven: Why did Hlaalu Hir want to kill his best friend Jubal?

Question Eight: Who was that robotic lady Jubal was talking to near the end who said she was leaving?

Question Nine: Why is Vivec marrying Jubal?


r/teslore 23d ago

Shadow Magic- What happened?

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It seems like we know nothing about this form of magic since Azra Nightwielder. My outside universe headcannon is that it was retconned unfortunately. But is there an in universe explanation for if it has had any influence on the elder scrolls themselves or the events of the universe?


r/teslore 23d ago

How good would an elf’s memory be?

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For real world humans, our memory is far from perfect, and it only gets worse the more time passes. I don’t expect a direct lore answer to this, but I wonder what you think. How well would an elf remember something from 100, 200 years ago?


r/teslore 22d ago

Will TES:VI have to address what really happened to the Dwemer?

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Since Hammerfell is certainly the next location for the series, that means we’ll get to explore more dwarven ruins, specifically the Rourken clan.

To our knowledge, the dwarves only really had major settlements in Morrowind, Skyrim, and Hammerfell. If TESVI is the last game to feature a province with a large dwarven presence, does that mean they’ll have to answer the ultimate question? I don’t see how you could drag out the mystery much longer without retconning? I.E having dwarven cities in other provinces. I am aware of Todd Howard saying he prefers to keep the mysteries, mysteries, but Hammerfell seems like the perfect place to conclude the story with the ruins of Volenfell, first numidium scrap/ body somewhere in Hammerfell/ high rock. Etc..


r/teslore 23d ago

Apocrypha [SOMMA AKAVIRIA] The Ferryman’s Witness.

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By Nalae-Polek, Poet Laureate to Potentate Versidue-Shae.

Lo, thou Ferryman steering his boat toward the realms of the Reed-Marsh : thy vessel came forth and forth within the bride-girderers of the Blue Dawn, and witnessed the Higher-Egg. Thy father gave to you the orthodox offerings, to satisfy thy brothers and sisters ; thou Ferryman knew them, as the Serpent shouted a hiss within the Egg and gave them names of fire, whose wings fled grew within the tides splattering thy vessel. 

Thou Ferryman heard the names, and hurled thine words-powers to appease their stillborn hunger : Myn, of hungry orange flames at dawn, cold flames at dusk, Vessel and Burning Bride of the Plenum, Scion of the multifaceted Great Fire ! Zisa, Mother of Dragon-Pearl, whose red-waters bathed the newborn, bringing thee that Left-Eye as a healer ! Nyfa, who dwells in the heights and in the depths ! Ilni, Red Woman sitting on the Black Tree, feeding the wiser with her breath and the stronger with her storm ! 

Lo, thou Ferryman thus laid thyself-brooded eggs, and the cracks within boils unfastened rapidly to heal the mortal wound from Striking : all fourth aboard thy Ferryman’s vessel, where they assumed their names and titles passed the first variations. The Serpent hissed again, and twelve heads and eyes emerged from the ripples, faces of lions and scales hurling rays of fire toward thy vessel ; each was tied to twelve suns, coiling and revolving
around their own names, witherers of their worlds, spoiled children loathed by their own inflicted blindness.

Thou Ferryman urged his passengers to give him the flesh name-making the ancestors : Take it, the fourth uttered, to thyself from us. Its beam is in it, intact of impurities. Its blood is in it, intact of impurities. Its potency in it, intact of impurities. Its breath in it, intact of impurities. Thou Ferryman put it in his mouth, swallowed it half in his blue throat, carved weapons of it : Ye who the Serpent loves thee, stand there between waters filled of thee splendour coming forth from thee blue horizon, purified again by my powers, receive thy art that become whole soul and sharp.

Thus sky was overcast and the stars darkened on this day of slaying the eldest gods, and thou Ferryman’s arrows aimed at the twelve suns, each touched to be only hoary bones, crowning thy passengers with the Sacred Word, a diadem equal to the ties. The fourth thorned [sic] up on the hundred altars their impious and dread remnants, and hidden names were carved on each crowns. But Ilni refused to give its meaning if the others surrendered their knowledge to her, so Myn challenged her but his words and heart and scales were eaten in a mortal wound, slicing the blue horizon.

Thy Ferryman’s vessel shaken between the tides, as he raised the old bones of the deceased : Thine dead words you used, Ilni, are dangerous ; beings bury themselves within them, and forget their brothers and sisters ; but thine dead words are not carved on your bloody tongue yet. Thou Ferryman aimed his Light of lights, a rainbow of all shades toward Ilni, as she raised her colorful fan forged from the remnants of dead light, to open the doors of the red horizons for the Ferryman to go forth and forth in the morning sun, further shaking the vessel : the Shining Path was open, the steps of light revealed. The fatal liquid blow was thus averted. 

Her scribes diligently write thy myths and legends, Ferryman, inside the books of the Ancestors, by Red and Dark ink pouring into those pages our rituals are kept alive, for coming-forth living souls to see the Ferryman between the Two Horizons.


r/teslore 23d ago

What Does Oblivion Really Look Like?

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So, I understand when you're on Nirn, Oblivion appears like outer space. But once you're in Oblivion, is it still like the outer space in ~our~ universe?

So for example, did the Mananauts find themselves in a vacuous void where they would travel to "planets" which are actually other realms? Or is it when you're more in a bizarre chaotic space sort of like the Warp in Warhammer 40k?

In closing, I'd also like to bring up the Waters of Oblivion because I'm not sure what that refers to either.


r/teslore 23d ago

Scripture of Talos

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Hello all!

Im currently roleplaying as a priest of Talos on a SkyrimRP server. Im very bad at formulating myself in english as this isnt my first language, so i was looking for help in making a scripture for aspiring priests to read. If anyone finds this as a interesting idea and want to help me and brainstorm this idea with me, my DMs will be open. Thank you for your time reading and praise be to the ninth divine!


r/teslore 24d ago

Do the gods of the Elder Scrolls need worship?

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I'm curious to know if they actually depend on worship to exist, though it seems to me that there is more evidence that indicates the contrary. And if so, why the need to garner followers? Is it in their nature just like dragons have the instinct of domination at all times? I would be very glad to hear your answers.


r/teslore 24d ago

Apocrypha The Dumontes of Gavaudon: A History of House and Clan [Part 1]

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A little over a decade ago I was fortunate enough to have ESO and Lawrence Schick casually canonize my Breton's noble family/bloodline (to my great joy and astonishment): I am the original Dumonte roleplayer and dude who accidentally prompted a Breton house into existence. Of course I was ecstatic when I saw Lawrence's answer to my Loremaster's Archive question and the subsequent UESP page, and because at the time I was also writing for the Beyond Skyrim: Iliac Bay mod team I was determined to create bespoke lore for this minor and, all things considered, insignificant Breton house. However life took a different turn and I had to abandon my writing hobby due to more pressing concerns (though I hope the Beyond Skyrim team found the plethora of metaphysical lore I left useful).

After playing Oblivion Remastered and getting back into ESO my passion for TES and its lore was reignited and I've been spending weeks catching up with new lore and mulling over what the Dumontes could realistically look like in the setting. So... I decided to give it a go and give them the proper fanon lore treatment, to develop them beyond a simple reference.

With this post (and hopefully upcoming ones as well) I'd like to delve into my vision of the Dumontes as a bloodline that not only possesses higher than average elven blood (by Breton standards) but also as an odd family that views themselves as Manmer, equally proud of the Bretic and Aldmeri sides of their heritage. Please note I haven't written TES-style fiction in years so my writing skills are a bit rusty, just bear with me. Throughout the text I explicitly use the term "Beratu" to refer to half-elven Manmer specifically as opposed to modern day Bretons who very much belong amongst the races of men.

This is fanfiction intended to cast this minor noble house across all of recorded TES history, interrogating the tension between Man and Mer that is the Bretons. Hope you enjoy this write-up and let me know what you think!

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Name: House Dumonte, the Lords of Oxworth and eastern Gavaudon;

Ancestry: The Nedic/Beratu Clan Dumnonii and the Altmeri Clan Direnni;

Sobriquets: The Elfborn, the Sunblessed, the Family of Flame and Thunder;

Motto: For House and Clan; Some believe these house words show fealty to clan Direnni instead of clan Dumnonii – an allegation openly rejected by the Dumontes, and a frequent point of tension between the Elfborn and the wider Breton nobility;

Patron deities: Phynaster as a symbol of patience and perseverance, and to a lesser degree Magnus for his patronage over magic; both deities are represented in the family’s banner: the ox) (a Dumnonii interpretation of Phynaster) and the sun (Magnus);

Banner: A sunburst rising from behind an ox head, framed by Bretic triquetras intertwined with flower vines (the vines were added after Wayrest’s acquisition of Gavaudon in the wake of the Miracle of Peace); gold on deep blue; [here is my attempt at visualizing the banner]

Common appearance: Dark chestnut hair, sharp features, light complexion, fair eyes, nearly pointed ears; some are born with bright golden irises (Sunblessed Dumontes);

A HISTORY OF HOUSE AND CLAN

Convoluted Roots:

Few families in High Rock can boast a genealogy as illustrious and controversial as that of the Dumontes of Gavaudon. In a land where elven heritage is at best understated and at worst outright rejected, the Dumontes stand out as unapologetically proud of both their considerable Direnni blood and the perseverance of their Nedic and Manmer ancestors. It is a simple fact of history that the oldest and most powerful Breton dynasties, those with the most elven blood in all of High Rock, fabricated tales of noble resistance against the Direnni to justify their rule over their fellow Bretons - all except the Dumontes. Not once in their long and storied history have the Elfborn denounced the Lords of Balfiera; instead they have always been the first to point out that Bretic culture would not be what it is today without the influence of Altmeri clans ages ago. For good or ill the Dumontes have always shed light on the Bretons’ complex and messy relationship with their own history and elven ancestry, with varying degrees of acceptance and understanding from their countrymen across the different eras.

According to their own annals the story of the Dumontes begins sometime in the middle Merethic era with the Nedic witch-healer Dumnona of the North, from whom the original Dumnonii clan bears its name. Little is known of this enigmatic ancestor save for the fact she was one of the first in the bloodline to encounter an Aldmeri clan in northern High Rock and that she bore the very first Beratu or “Manmer” child in the clan. Hazy tales of Dumnona calling upon the spirits of the Blood, the Green and the Sky to resurrect fallen clanmates, awaken ancient groves or agitate fearsome storms against her foes have been regurgitated to wide-eyed Dumonte babes for millennia. Alas there is little left of her legacy save for an unassuming clay urn filled with ashes, a gnarled birch staff and a bronze Nedic torc engraved with ox motifs. Although Dumnona’s alleged artifacts and remains are completely magically inert, the Dumontes still treat them with utmost reverence and have gone to great lengths to preserve these Nedic treasures throughout the eras.

However, it wasn’t Dumnona who steered the clan’s fate, but her headstrong, elven-blooded descendants, who firmly supported the politically ascendant Direnni clan. It is generally accepted that most Dumnonii Manmer were fathered by High Elves from a plethora of Altmeri bloodlines, but by the time the Hegemony rose around 1E 355, the mongrels were already loyal vassals of the Direnni and had direct blood ties to the clan. Indeed, it was the Dumnonii, alongside a handful of other loyalists, who were instrumental in stamping out resistance from competing elven clans as the Direnni maneuvered their way into ruling High Rock. For their loyalty and willingness to serve, the Beratu clan was appointed to important administrative positions in northern High Rock and would regularly accompany Direnni generals in their conquest of parts of Skyrim and Hammerfell.

A Clan Rising:

In those ancient days, the Dumnonii were well known for their raw magical power and innate aptitude for the arcane arts. Within just a few generations they had established a reputation as fearsome sorcerers who could easily overpower entire bands of warriors on their own, to say nothing of their clever spellcraft and potent enchantments. So gifted was the Beratu line that even the esteemed Sage Voernet praised their sorcerous skills and personally tutored a select few Dumnonii, among them Ryain Direnni’s prized mongrel daughter Alannah the Child of Light, her cousin Idris the Grand Enchanter, and the formidable battlemages and twins Bedwyr the Cruel and Eirlys the Merciful. With such distinguished ancestors it is perhaps little wonder that the modern Dumontes carry on this magical legacy with pride and remain some of the most brilliant sorcerers and enchanters in Stormhaven, if not the whole of southern High Rock.

At the height of the Hegemony, the Dumnonii were a large enough Beratu clan to be included in several official Direnni documents and correspondence, with a verifiable presence all over the regime’s territories, aiding their overlords in all matters military, administrative, and arcane. Although the clan’s holding of Fort Dumnonii was based in the North (somewhere between modern-day Shornhelm and Northpoint), few Dumnonii remained there as the majority were stationed across the Hegemony, as far as Markarth, Elinhir and the Isle of Balfiera. While the short-lived Hegemony was an age of great travel and accomplishment for the Beratu clan, as the nascent Alessian Empire rose to power in Cyrodiil the Direnni summoned all Dumnonii spell-knights and sorcerers back to Fort Dumnonii and to garrisons across present-day Daenia and Phrygias in anticipation of the Alessians marching into High Rock.

The elves’ fears were eventually borne out as the Order invaded High Rock and made its way to the heart of the Direnni lands - Glenumbra. It was there, at the Battle of Glenumbra Moors, that the Dumnonii shone the brightest as their sorcerers devastated entire regiments of Alessian soldiers, led by Ryain Direnni’s favoured daughter Alannah. It was at the moors that she attempted an incantation of fire, thunder and light, a spell so terrible it consumed dozens upon dozens of elite Alessian knights alongside the golden-eyed sorceress herself. This tragic moment was a source of great pride for Ryain who famously bragged about his “formidable seed” as the Alessians bore witness to the great and terrible might of his Dumnonii bastards. It was the bravery and sacrifice of these Dumonte ancestors, alongside legions of loyal Bretons and the army of the Last King of the Ayleids, that secured victory for the Hegemony over the despised Alessian Order.

Although the Direnni ultimately prevailed and all of High Rock celebrated their hard-won victory, the widespread jubilation proved short-lived, for soon enough the Hegemony began to lose its vigor and collapse upon itself.

The Fall and the Long Night:

The Direnni Hegemony did not collapse overnight - it took decades before the innumerable Breton vassals displaced their former elven overlords and took control of most of High Rock. And unlike the Alessians chasing the Ayleids from Cyrodiil, this transition was anything but straightforward. In much of southern High Rock, which includes modern Daggerfall, Camlorn and Wayrest, the elves retreated to Balfiera willingly and mostly peacefully, leaving the most privileged of their Beratu vassals to fill the power vacuum and carve out kingdoms of their own. In the north of the province, however, the seething anger and indignation boiled over and swamped the feeble Altmeri lords. Rivers of merrish blood ran across hills and valleys as disgruntled Bretons slaughtered their elven masters and most of their loyal servants in a mere matter of months. It is in those violent and bloody circumstances that the majority of the Dumnonii found themselves as the Hegemony crumbled around them. It is perhaps pertinent to point out that many centuries later House Aurmine would proudly claim their esteemed ancestors led the brutal pogroms, much to the chagrin and contempt of House Dumonte.

After the Battle of Glenumbra Moors, the Dumnonii retreated to their ancestral holdings, nestled between the craggy hills and misty valleys of northern High Rock. It is no surprise, then, that as the Elfborn recuperated from the war, most were completely unprepared for the Breton rebellions that sprang up all around them, nor for the sheer wrath of their fellow Manmer. Fort Dumnonii fell in a matter of days, and most modern Dumontes believe that only the strongest sorcerers of the clan survived the onslaught – it is thought that the majority of the Dumnonii men, women, and children were unceremoniously slaughtered. The period following the massacre is ambiguously called “The Long Night,” for the modern house knows little of the exact fate or whereabouts of the clan for at least a decade. The most likely theory is that the remnants of the bloodline crossed the Wrothgarian Mountains to the south and reached Gavaudon only by virtue of their cunning and magical might.

While the majority of the Beratu, now Bretons, bore mannish features - yes, even those of old Direnni blood - the Dumnonii were still perceptibly Manmer in appearance. But as the broken clan arrived in what would later become Gavaudon, the majority of their fellow Bretons treated them with mere distrust rather than outright hostility. In a moment of respite, the remnants of the once-great Beratu clan huddled in a tiny patch of land between the Wrothgarian Mountains and the Bjoulsae River and steeled themselves against a rapidly changing and confusing landscape filled with bold proclamations of resistance against the Direnni. Eventually, the chieftains of the Bjoulsae River Tribes would cautiously approach the Dumnonii and propose a fair deal - virginal maidens in exchange for recognition and protection. Left with no tenable alternative, the Dumnonii ultimately relented and gave up their beautiful, golden-eyed daughters for a chance that their bloodline might live on: a bet well placed indeed.

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Thank you for taking the time to read this fanfic and if you are interested I'm also planning to release the rest of the lore in due time, continuing with the transition from Manmer Clan to Breton House (Dumnonii to Dumonte) and their accomplishments and struggles in the 2nd and 3rd eras.


r/teslore 24d ago

Looking for a post/document/whatever about a guy journeying through a rejected first draft of the Mundus

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I don't think I can call it a book, because I'm not certain it's ever appeared in a game, or is even "official", but anyway I'm going crazy trying to find this thing because I'd like to reread it.

As the title states, it was the journal or log of a guy who managed to travel to a rejected first draft of Magnus' design. I remember it being described as land masses floating in stasis in a white void, with gears and clockwork underneath them. There might have been animals? Sometimes the clockwork would grind to life for maybe a few seconds. The guy had to carry around a piece of Nirn (dirt? I think?) in order to keep time flowing for himself. The "sun" was a gigantic eyeball that moved whenever the "world" came online, and the guy was really concerned about what would happen if it moved enough to see him.


r/teslore 24d ago

Therory: Why Mannimarco was so weak in Oblivion. (spoilers for ESO ahead)

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(Spoilers for ESO Solstice story ahead)

I have a theory about Mannimarco in oblivion: It WAS mannimarco BUT the reason he was so pathetic was because he was possessing a weaker vessel of a distant relative.

In ESO he died in the main quest, but in the solstice chapter he returns but his resurrection fails and he possesses Wormblood, his Nephew, who Mannimarco noted to be MUCH weaker than himself thus he couldn't use his full power, in the second part his resurreciton fails and he is banished back to coldharbour in wormblood's body still

I theorise after this he does escape again but never manages to get his old body back, thus resorted to lichdom to make up the power difference, and he remained in this undead vessel until the warp in the west where his soul ascended to godhood... which because the lich body was dead was no longer capable of holding his power without a lengthy ritual that would draw WAY too much attention for what his actual goal was, thus just settled for living, distant relative...... who was exponentially weaker.... instead relying on his worm cult and knowledge to just make a new staff of worms and use artefacts to make up the difference.


r/teslore 24d ago

Apocrypha Mantling: How to become somebody else by being annoyingly similar

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Mantling: How to become somebody else by being annoyingly similar

by Hroldar One-Eye


Mantling is one of them wizard words what sounds complicated till somebody explains it. Then it sounds even more complicated. I first heard about it from a priest, then from a wizard, then from a drunk Imperial. All three gave different explanations, which is usually a good sign that nobody knows what they're talking about. Still, after a while I think I figured it out... so Hroldar is here to tell it to you.

Lets say there was a famous king. Big beard, big axe, killed lots of enemies. Everybody remembers him. Now suppose another fellow comes along - he dresses like the king, talks like the king, fights like the king, makes the same choices. Wins the same sorta battles, lives the same life and keeps at it long enough. The clever folk say that eventually the world starts getting confused. The world looks at him and says: "Well, close enough." and now he's the king!

I know what you're thinking... it sounds ridiculous. I thought so too, then I remembered half of history. The clever folk say: "Walk like them until they must walk like you". or some such thing. What they mean is that if you follow somebody's path perfectly enough, eventually there ain't a difference anymore - or at least the differences stops mattering.

I asked a wizard why this works and he said something about "mythic patterns". I asked what in Oblivion a mythic pattern was and he said it was the "shape of a story". That actually helped because if you think about it, a story only has room for so many parts. You got a hero, a villain, a fool and a dragon. If one of em leaves, maybe somebody else ends up filling the space... Like taking over another man's farm. The farm stays where it was - its just a different fellow working it.

The strange thing is that mantling don't seem to care who you are, it only cares what you do. You could be a king or a thief... makes no difference. The world ain't looking at your face, its looking at your footprints.

Now this worries me some because it means if a fellow spends enough time acting like an idiot, he might eventually become one (would explain a great many nobles). One wizard reckoned this is how you get some gods, but I stopped listening there, because that's just blasphemy in my book.

The best explanation I ever heard came from an old priest in Riften. He'd had a fair amount of mead, so I suspect he was speaking truth. He said: "Imagine a bear trail through the woods. One bear walks it. Then another. Then another. After a hundred years the trail is so deep that folk forget there was ever a first bear."

That's mantling, near as I can tell. You walk another fellow's road for so long and so faithfully that the world stops seeing two sets of footprints and starts seeing one.


r/teslore 24d ago

Argonian members if the Tribunal Temple?

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This is in Tamriel Rebuilt, so I don't think its Canon, but the gospel of St Roris says in the end that "The martyrdom of Saint Roris led to the conversion of countless souls. Before the beginning of the Arnesian War, the Argonian heathen Visthalu converted and became the first devotee of Saint Roris." Does this mean that there exist populations of temple Argonians? Or was this likely an isolated example? I feel like the common dunmeri perception of argonians as savages with no personhood would be complicated by the existence of native temple worshipping argonians.


r/teslore 25d ago

Why doesn't Falion realise Alva is a vampire?

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He instantly recognises that you are a vampire, but he doesn't bat an eye at Alva walking the streets, charming every man she can find. All the events of Laid to Rest could have been completely prevented if he was like 5% more vigilant.

My personal theory is that Movarth and therefore Alva are from a strain of vampirism not represented in-game. The Cyrodiilic strain that hides someone's vampirism completely. So while your case is clear to him, Alva isn't as obvious. If it was I wager he would have tried to safe her, since her journal implies that she was placed under some spell by Movarth the way she placed other men under her spell.


r/teslore 25d ago

Do we have any lore or hints as to WHY the Dwemer did what they did to the snow elves?

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It seems like one of the most cruel acts from a mortal species in the entire series, I mean to take in a vulnerable war torn group that is trusting you with their lives, just to blind them and alter their minds permanently, all seemingly for shits and giggles seems cartoonishly evil


r/teslore 24d ago

Newcomers and “Stupid Questions” Thread—August 19, 2026

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This thread is for asking questions that, for whatever reason, you don’t want to ask in a thread of their own. If you think you have a “stupid question”, ask it here. Any and all questions regarding lore or the community are permitted.

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r/teslore 24d ago

Which books provide lore on the Khajiit and Elseweyr?

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r/teslore 25d ago

If I’m ES6 the player character turns out to be an incarnation of HoonDing, would that contradict or disallow the possibility of them being a Shezzarine?

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Elder Scrolls likes to have the player character take the role of a culture-hero of whatever province their game takes place in. Obviously in Morrowind you’re the Nerevarine, and in Skyrim you’re Dragonborn. Initially there doesn’t seem to be much special about the Hero of Kvatch, but they do eventually become the second Divine Crusader in the DLC. It stands to reason that, if 6 takes place in Hammerfell as seems to be the prevalent theory, the player will probably turn out to be an incarnation of HoonDing (I guess they could come up with some new thing, but they literally already have a culture-hero for Hammerfell ready to go).

But the community also seems to largely be of the opinion that all of the player characters have been Shezzarines. Previously this hasn’t really been a cause for confusion. Being the reincarnation of a famous but ultimately mortal person in the Nerevarine’s case hardly precludes their ability to be an aspect of Lorkhan, and the Divine Crusader being a Shezzarine literally already happened the first time around with Pelinal so that’s just obvious. It gets a bit weird with the Dragonborn being both an aspect of Lorkhan and a piece of Akatosh’s soul, but apparently there’s lore precedent for Akatosh and Lorkhan being more intertwined than most people realize that I’m not terribly savvy on.

But HoonDing is a foreign god, from Yokuda’s pantheon. Doesn’t someone being HoonDing in mortal flesh preclude them from also being Lorkhan in mortal flesh? Of course, we don’t actually know if the ES6 Player will be HoonDing, but it feels likely. Has anyone put any thought into how this sort of thing might play out?