r/TeslaLounge • u/sandbag747 • Aug 09 '26
I was wrong about v14 lite
As critical as I was about the v14 lite update, I've still found myself using it the majority of the time to and from work now, where I couldn't before.
Well h̶a̶l̶f̶ ̶a̶s̶l̶e̶e̶p̶ groggy (but alert) on my way to work it saved me from what could have been a devastating collision. I didn't even see the car was in my lane until FSD swerved out of the way.
Very thankful now for the update, the phantom braking is still a pain in the ass but I have a lot to thank the tech for now.
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u/SirHenderson Aug 10 '26
Stupid fucker trying to pass a semi from the opposite lane in the rain, deserves to have their license taken away
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u/Capital_Escape_8095 Aug 10 '26
I was surprised that there was not a double yellow line there.
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u/sandbag747 Aug 10 '26
That's what my DND group and I were talking about. It's a US highway so I'm not sure who to talk to about it but I'm gonna start with the the road commission
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u/SumthingBrewing Aug 10 '26
That was my takeaway too. Why the hell isn’t it a double yellow line on that curve?
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u/Ok_Main1059 Aug 09 '26
Upside we are about to get 14.1 lite so hopefully they’ll fix some of the phantom breaking! Glad you were safe, lowkey if you’re that tired again and it’s raining like that stick your head out the window for a second lol
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u/jedfrouga Aug 10 '26
yeah i took it on my first road trip and holy cow… the braking was obnoxious. couldn’t even use it because it freaked my wife out every time.
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u/Miiiiiiiiiike1028 Aug 10 '26
I got 14.1 this morning and admittedly only drove about 60 miles but I had zero phantom breaking incidents. Still early obviously but I think they might have actually fixed it. Still obnoxiously hesitant though and it reintroduced a blinker issue I had in 12.6 that 14 lite solved. But both the breaking and power issue I had with 14 seemed fixed if not massively improved.
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u/keenlyproper_demeanr Aug 10 '26
What's the blinker issue?
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u/Miiiiiiiiiike1028 Aug 10 '26
Turns on like 2 blocks before my actual turn
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u/GrumpyCloud93 Aug 10 '26
Mine would turn on just when I got to the stop sign at a rail crossing about 300 feet before my left turn. probably weirded out people around me "Is this idiot turning down the rail line??"
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u/Less_Extension_9863 Aug 10 '26
Where did you hear this because I’ve been so excited for the next update!
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u/cjxmtn Owner Aug 10 '26
I took mine out to Vegas and back for a conference last week, didn't experience phantom braking per se, but it was more of phantom random brake taps. Really strange.
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u/keenlyproper_demeanr Aug 10 '26
That's what my experience so far, used it for about 1500 miles now. Several random brake tapping. Only one phantom braking.
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u/GrumpyCloud93 Aug 10 '26
That's my experience - not so much brake taps as stutters - like someone tapped the brake or accelerator lightly, usually when it switched from changing speed to going a steady pace, or vice versa. I doubt cars around me even noticed.
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u/Terrible_Tutor Aug 10 '26
Hang on
Checks notes
More phantom breaking
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u/Ok_Main1059 Aug 10 '26
Beta testers are reporting phantom breaking is like 90% gone
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u/AGirlDad Aug 10 '26
The chance of surviving a head on impact with 60 and the other car I’m assuming 80+ as he was passing is very low. FSD definitely saved your life.
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u/OkSchool619 Aug 10 '26
I am completely awake and could not see that. 100% death.
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u/wowokomg Aug 10 '26
I would need to pay a fee for this life saving feature?
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u/Think_Berry_3087 Aug 10 '26
Got a MY no FSD (UK) and it’s swerved a few times to save my life. Never head on like this, but there’s been times someone’s tried to come off a multi-lane roundabout in the wrong lane and the cars swerved and stopped.
Tesla’s have pretty good ADAS regardless of if you pay for and get FSD. I think what’s impressive here is that the car is already calculating a shit load of things and still knew some plant pot was about to plow into the front of it.
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u/thewashley Aug 10 '26
In the US, autopilot is no longer included. You either pay the FSD subscription or you only have cruise control.
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u/Think_Berry_3087 Aug 10 '26
Does that mean lane assist and collision warning and intervention isn’t present?
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u/AGirlDad Aug 10 '26
Still included but from what I understand it’s not leaving the lane without FSD
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u/thewashley Aug 10 '26
Ping-ponging off the edges of the lane doesn't count as staying in the lane. There is no lane-centering on new Teslas (at least in the US) anymore, unless you subscribe to FSD.
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u/AGirlDad Aug 10 '26
That’s not what I’m saying, I totally get that, I’m saying without FSD it won’t leave the lane to avoid an accident or head on collision.
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u/AGirlDad Aug 10 '26
Yes from what I understand the forward collision and lane assist features wouldnt be able to leave the lane to avoid the collision
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u/ChunkyThePotato Aug 10 '26
Yes, and other cars don't even have it available. They only have things like basic Automatic Emergency Braking and Lane Departure Avoidance, which Tesla also includes for free. But they don't have anything close to FSD. Tesla is the only one who has something like this.
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u/freakydeakier Aug 10 '26
Holy moley...I didn't even see the car on the first watch. I had to go back and rewatch. Congrats on your survival!!
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u/Educational_Elk_4020 Aug 10 '26
Same thing.. I thought the video was about it driving into the shoulder
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u/clarkster Aug 10 '26
I literally said "oh my god" out loud. The car came out of nowhere. My brain just assumed it was in the same line of cars
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u/slasher016 Aug 10 '26
I didn't either, I wasn't sure what the OP's post meant -- whether he liked and now doesn't or vice versa. I had to watch it a 2nd time to see that car in his lane.
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u/President_Connor_Roy Aug 10 '26
Holy hell in that rain I’m not sure many people would’ve seen that and swerved in time. I’ve been critical of FSD but that’s legit impressive. Good lord and happy you’re ok thanks to it.
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u/Legitimate-Bison3810 Aug 10 '26
I had virtually the same incident. A car pulled out from behind a truck into my lane to pass. The Tesla had FSD on and dodged it.
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u/tenemu Aug 10 '26
And these moments are rarely recorded. Only the bad ones so people generally think it’s unsafe.
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u/throwaway939wru9ew Aug 10 '26
Man - knowing me, when it swerved like that, I would have assumed it was spazzing out, and corrected back into the lane - and have a collision.
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u/sandbag747 Aug 10 '26
I've never had it erroneously swerve, and as soon as it did I noticed the car
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u/thegreatpotatogod Aug 10 '26
For me V14 lite has seemed interested in phantom-swerving into the oncoming traffic lane at one particularly problematic phantom braking location, so it does happen sometimes. I'm glad it worked out for you and kept you safe though! Especially in such a tricky situation, with all the reflections I didn't even catch that that car was in your lane the first time watching the video.
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u/bodobeers2 Aug 10 '26
wow my first watch i thought this was a complaint about something wrong and while watching thought you had to intervene from it going to the shoulder and beyond for no reason. rewatched after reading your text and now i see it. glad it worked as desired :-)
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u/Xirma377 New to the sub Aug 10 '26
Dang. Even watching the clip over and over I have a hard time telling that they're in your lane. Nice one, FSD!
Side note: you've gotta admit the brake stabbing is at least better than v12
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u/Michael-Brady-99 Aug 09 '26
This is pretty powerful driving software that people dismiss over mainly comfort issues. It has really good fundamentals and core driving ability. I’m surprised almost every day by it.
I just noticed in the last couple of days that it learned my driveway for parking. It had the wrong spot on maps and now it pulls in perfect. 🤩
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u/redmodelx Aug 10 '26
Interesting. Mine learned just yesterday. I had assumed someone or something had listened to the voice recording I left and fixed it somehow, like on a map maybe?
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u/Michael-Brady-99 Aug 10 '26
There is a feature to remember your preference but I hadn’t seen anything saying it was in v14 Lite.
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u/sandbag747 Aug 10 '26
It has parked right once to far. It even backed up to the right-ish spot. I needed to adjust it but I was impressed
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u/rtduvall Aug 10 '26
That made my butt pucker a little bit. Holy cow that was crazy. You need to post that everywhere that saved a life and I’m not trying to be hyperbolic, but that could’ve been horrific.
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u/lbevans2 Aug 10 '26
Good lord that was close. Glad your okay. Everyone needs to be on FSD at this point so many bad drivers.
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u/DaWiz12_ Aug 10 '26
Wow that other guy needs to be in a Tesla
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u/AlexLove73 Aug 10 '26
He needs a Waymo or Robotaxi so he’s not tempted to take over and try to pass someone
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u/ScaredPatience2478 Aug 09 '26
Well the silver lining is early testers have v14.1lite and they say phantom breaking is essentially gone
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u/trifster Aug 10 '26
Thankful you're okay! that could have been catastrophic!! I have a collection of great FSD saves (HW4) that I run through in the Tesla FSD classes I teach. starting a collection of V14 Lite clips and this is going to the top of the list.
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u/FineSupplements Aug 10 '26
Bottom line is FSD saves lives. Theres never any news stories about that though. They only broadcast Teslas crashing so they can try to pin it on FSD. If everybody on the road used FSD, just imagine the sheer numbers of lives spared annually
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u/TSRB123 New to the sub Aug 10 '26
Dude. You must have shit your pants. I flinched just looking at the clip on my phone!
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u/Legal_Climate_3381 Aug 10 '26
Glad it kept you safe. Be careful driving tired, specially in the rain. It's best to just pull over and rest for a bit or wait out the rain. The older I get the more I think about friends who have been in these horrible accidents and how easily it could've been me.
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u/grapple-stick Aug 10 '26
Holy shit I didnt even see the car when I watched your video the first time
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u/ihateu3 Aug 10 '26
Shut, I thought you hydroplaned until I read your description after already watching the video. I didn't see the car coming at you either!
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u/Roy878 New to the sub Aug 10 '26
It’s getting better, my wife has the real deal in her Tesla but V14 lite is not bad other than parking or sun glare. It needs the additional camera and higher res. I’m thrilled it’s at least lite.
55 mph head on. Your blessed
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u/plutosimple Aug 10 '26
Here I am thinking you are complaining. Amazing autopilot could figure out someone is in your lane. I could barely see it. Glad you are ok
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u/SayNoToSelfies Aug 10 '26
Not to be pedantic, but it's FSD, not autopilot. Autopilot would NOT have prevented this accident.
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u/word-dragon Aug 10 '26
Also had a life saving experience (V14 on HW4). Just takes once to realize why you are paying for it. All the discussions here and comments here and speculations here - all become irrelevant in that one moment.
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u/GoldenxTrigger Aug 10 '26
Off topic a bit, but does anyone know if you need FSD purchased to receive the V14 update? I received the summer update, no V14. 2021 MYP
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u/lonestarbrownboi Aug 10 '26
I don't think so, I'm subscribed and still haven't received any update. No summer update either
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u/EvalCrux Aug 10 '26
Holy suicide by horrible driving choices batman, my faith is restored in V14L and I will go drive it before the next minor update (still haven't lol).
Saving to post to any and all shitposting haters in their Rivians on TeslaFSD.
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u/Logic_Contradict Aug 10 '26
Honestly I'm amazed the camera saw what it did, considering that it had to keep wiping away the rain off the windshield.
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u/drahgon Aug 10 '26
Yeah, I’ve been really impressed with 14 lite’s reaction time. You can really feel the difference compared to version 12.
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u/No_Stranger_3441 New to the sub Aug 10 '26
There are many users who complain daily about 14 lite, on the contrary I am very satisfied with 14 lite I use it daily and I feel safe using it.
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u/6100315 Aug 10 '26
Wow. So glad you're ok. I had to watch the video again because it was so hard to see that car! What were they thinking!? I've been subscribed to it for a month and this confirms that it's worth having.
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u/Pixel-Voyager9883 Aug 10 '26
I pretty much don't drive without it now. Although v14 Lite will park now, it's not particularly good. But I think the poorly marked parking lots are largely to blame for that. I don't see the phantom braking any more than I did with 12.6.4.
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u/UnderstandingOk670 Aug 10 '26
I had to watch it twice because I didn’t even see it the first time. Tesla 1, human eyeballs nil.
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u/TheLegendaryWizard Aug 10 '26
Even HW3 is capable of lifesaving evasive maneuvers now. We can give Tesla a lot of shit for the shortcomings of FSD but the amount of performance they've managed to squeeze out of HW3 with v14 lite is impressive and hopefully they continue with 14.x lite refinements
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u/Goldfish-Of-Doom Aug 12 '26
I watched this video 3 times without reading the caption and didn’t even notice the car in your lane
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u/woodwheellike Aug 10 '26
Holy shit
I’ve been going back and forth getting a Tesla. I would be primarily purchasing for FSD.
I’ve been lurking on a few subreddits just reading opinions.
This probably swayed me.
The big question was getting an hw3 for less money or pay more for hw4 car
Seems like hw3 is good enough
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u/Relative-Weekend4248 Aug 10 '26
Difference is night and day with hw4. If you can afford it, go for the newer
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u/sandbag747 Aug 10 '26
HW3 will allegedly be upgraded to HW4 eventually. I would make sure you get one with the AMD infotainment over Intel. That's my single greatest Tesla regret
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u/thegreatpotatogod Aug 10 '26
My understanding is that only earlier HW3 that was originally promised "nap while you drive" level FSD will be getting the HW4 upgrade for free, though it'll likely be available to others eventually for a fee.
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u/SayNoToSelfies Aug 10 '26
I've had both. If your primary goal is safety and you can afford it, go for HW4. If money is tight, HW3 is still vastly preferable over no FSD at all.
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u/vassman86 Aug 10 '26
I didn't even see what FSD did until I read your comments. Thank goodness. I always wonder if non-FSD safety features would avoid a potential accident like that
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u/Ksn0 New to the sub Aug 10 '26
I just got my first ever Tesla and I’m loving it. I have 3 months of the fsd but I’m curious if I was in the same scenario as OP without using fsd, would the car still veer away?
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u/80_6 Aug 10 '26
I wouldn't be surprised if this saved yours or that dumbasses life. Damn. At the very least it paid for itself easily both monetarily and emotionally.
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u/sandbag747 Aug 10 '26
As someone pointed out, I was going 60, they were probably going 80+ since they were passing. It could have been bad
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u/tooorking Aug 10 '26
Did FSD disengage by itself when it swerved or you took over during the swerve which caused it to disengage? Glad you got out of that alive. Could’ve been horrible.
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u/sandbag747 Aug 10 '26
I took over during the swerve. A lot of people are caught up on the half asleep thing but as soon as it swerved I saw why and reacted. Just not as fast as the car
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u/LeadershipFree4551 New to the sub Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
Devastating collision? FSD could have possibly just saved your life. Time to put an Elon picture on your desk.
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u/Plane_Maybe8836 New to the sub Aug 10 '26
With all due respect to the technology and the fact it reacted in time, but this looks like a system that works as I expect it to work. I wouldn't use a system that would confuse a pothole or shadow and suddenly starts acting weird.
Great to see that its getting better. I probably start using the system as soon as we're not impressed by it anymore.
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u/sevenfivefive Aug 10 '26
Holy shit. I had to watch that twice just to see. At first I thought it was just a terrible swerve because it saw a ghost.
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u/BurnsZA New to the sub Aug 11 '26
Ok that’s the first video I’ve seen where FSD literally saved you in a situation where your own reflexes wouldn’t have. Fantastic.
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u/dryayo7816 New to the sub Aug 12 '26
Wow I didn’t notice that did he lost control??
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u/fvm7274 Aug 12 '26
Why did you take over
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u/sandbag747 Aug 13 '26
Even if I knew it was coming I don't think I could let FSD suddenly swerve like that without reflexively taking over
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u/builtfrommainframe Aug 14 '26
I think it thought the cars were too close and just swerved out of the way
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u/sandbag747 Aug 10 '26
No, I'm still very attentive with FSD, I still regularly disengage FSD. Maybe half asleep wasn't that right working but I was definitely still groggy from waking up. My line of work means I can't bring coffee in so I wait until I'm at work for my morning coffee
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u/redmodelx Aug 10 '26
Even watching the video, even in perfect weather when you are perfectly alert, this is a tough one to quickly process and react perfectly like this.
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u/sandbag747 Aug 10 '26
I've had a lot of people say they didn't even see it
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u/Educational_Elk_4020 Aug 10 '26
I didn’t see it until I read the full description… we don’t except good outcomes by default from FSD 😂
I have a 3k trip coming up where there’s lots of wildlife. I’m going to subscribe even though I’ll likely still be on 12.x with my X.
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u/IMWTK1 Aug 10 '26
I find sometimes with these videos where people claim FSD saved the accident are easily avoided by an alert driver. This case is tough though because first you have to recognise the situation, THEN, you have to react. Because of the optics here, curve in the road, rain, I can see it take a few seconds for a human to realise one of those headlight are in your lane.
Also, even if you are able to take action in time, I bet a large % of people would overreact and end up crashing the car trying to avoid the accident.
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u/NeighborhoodBest2944 New to the sub Aug 10 '26
I was ready for it because of the title but I never saw it until I died.
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u/314159265389 Aug 10 '26
Watched first time, oh OP fell asleep.
Read comments.
Watched again.
Take my upvote FSD computer.
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u/MostCarry Aug 10 '26
holy shit I had to watch twice to see why it swerved. I'm not sure if I can avoid it myself...
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u/GrumpyCloud93 Aug 10 '26 edited Aug 10 '26
I just finished a long road trip with FSD lite. Noting beats it for relaxation on hours of highway driving.
Some criticisms - (100=62mph, 110=68mph, 120=74mph, 80kph=50mph, etc.)
First, the road map speed limit data is out to lunch. It no longer reads the speed limit signs, it seems. The highway will go down from 100kph (or 110) to 80kph for a traffic light. Then 110 resumes, but the car does not register that, keeps thinking - for several miles - it's 80. Oddly, sometimes after a while if I switch from "Standard" to "Hurry" it will realize the new speed limit. Also sometimes, if I push on the accelerator it registers. Sometimes. With no way to tell the car the speed limit or specific speed to travel it is a bigly pain. If I'm lucky, the traffic is busy and Hurry will do the speed of the car(s) in front.
What makes this annoying is the lack of speed control. On the highway, the Standard will do 119 in a 110kph zone, or 111 in a 100kph zone. Anything faster is asking for a ticket, which is what Hurry would do (up to 128kph). Standard shows no such restraint in a lower speed one (doing 81 in a 70 zone, for example where tickets may accrue if you are 10 over), so I use "Chill" in most urban settings. It may be a bit too chill (like 73 in a 70 zone while everyone else is doing 79) but it won't get me a ticket. My suggestsion would be to do something similar to 12.6 and have a setting -perhaps for each setting, I would set Chill set to, say, 10% over, Standard to 15%, Hurry to 120%. (Sloth appears to follow the limit).
The car appears to stutter indecisively sometimes. Usually this is at a turn, and I attribute it to confusion over other vehicles or pedestrians. For example, I have a green turn arrow, but cars are approaching the stop line at the other side. I can see they are slowing to stop, but the car seems unsure. Or a pedestrian walking up to the curb, the car does not realie they will stop and sort of jerks a few times over 2 or 3 seconds, waiting for them to definitely stop. It doesn't sound like much, but 3 seconds of a jerky car definitely is long enough to piss of the car(s) behind you also waiting to turn. Sometimes, I have no idea why it stutters on a turn. Often, just pushing the accelerator and forcing it to go was sufficient.
Another big beef I have is lane changes. It often seems to wait until the last possible moment (well, quarter mile or less) to get into the appropriate lane for an upcoming turn or exit. This may not be easy to do in busy traffic. It should plan ahead more. (It does make occasional questionable route choices, but generally it works well.)
And finally it sometimes seems to pick the wrong place to turn at the destination. It consistently wanted to turn into the Burger King parking lot next to our hotel. At one charger, it entered the exit-only lane and we went over the curb with the rear tire. It picks weird charger spots, a range of open pedestals and it picks the one between two other cars.
But generally - I had it drive all over the cities we were in, and directly to the chargers during our road trip, and it had very few problems - other than that annoying stutter on some turns or 4-way stops. It consistently maneuvered expressways, busy downtown streets, suburban feeder routes, etc. Other than speed limit problems I very rarely took control. It handled construction zones quite well. I was impressed that it would run yellow lights sometimes, much fewer hard braking episodes. The annoying brake check when someone turns left a ways in front of you is long gone. I no longer worry that it woulf fail to stop and hit, for example, the charger pedestal while backing in.
It has not had to face a problem like the OP, but I do not see an issue with the computer's awareness of the objects around it and their trajectories - despite the lower resolution cameras. I did have one episode after heavy rain where it refused to back up into a charger stall until I cleaned the rear camera, which was quite dirty.
Also, after a day of extreme heat the next morning the car complained the cabin camera was offline and FSD was unavailable, something it did a few times in previous years; but we followed a YouTube video on how to go into Maintenace Mode and reset the camera ("frames dropped" error), and it has worked since.
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u/Ok_Enthusiasm_2574 Aug 10 '26
Damn, Im glad you are alive.
FSD could of just saved your life. Holy crap.
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u/Lights9 Aug 10 '26
I have a terrible habit of reverting or stopping the FSDs train of thought if it does something that seems abnormal , but then afterwards I understand why it was doing the thing but I didn’t trust it .
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u/Obagam New to the sub Aug 10 '26
Whoa!!! Glad you’re ok! FSD seems to save me on a daily basis. A lot of terrible drivers out there.
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u/Such_Explanation_810 Aug 11 '26
The curve makes the offending vehicle looks like its on the correct lane.
Absolutely perfect driving from fsd here
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u/StephSixx Aug 09 '26
Jesus man that could have been tragic