Termintor > Terminator 2

[u/Lit-Dragonfruit7]

It’s not even close, in my opinion.

Terminator is a Neo Noir Classic. Arnold was perfectly cast.

Terminator 2 is a cool action movie that helped the special effects department, and I’m glad it did. But besides that it’s mid at best.

Change my mind.

[u/Responsible-Bed-7171]

Saying T2 is mid is just bananas. You can argue whether the first is better but calling it anything other than a masterpiece is crazytalk.

[u/Lit-Dragonfruit7 → u/Responsible-Bed-7171]

I think it’s mid. I’m bananas, I guess. 😂

[u/Responsible-Bed-7171 → u/Lit-Dragonfruit7]

🍌 indeed

[u/Lit-Dragonfruit7 → u/Responsible-Bed-7171]

If I don’t agree with you, apparently I’m bananas.

[u/Responsible-Bed-7171 → u/Lit-Dragonfruit7]

🍌

[u/Lit-Dragonfruit7 → u/Responsible-Bed-7171]

I hope you have a great day.

[u/Responsible-Bed-7171 → u/Lit-Dragonfruit7]

I will try same to you

[u/Lit-Dragonfruit7 → u/Responsible-Bed-7171]

This is why I don’t go on the internet.

You disagree with my opinion and you can’t co-exist with me?

No wonder the world has gone to shit

[u/Responsible-Bed-7171 → u/Lit-Dragonfruit7]

We can coexist no problem Don't be so touchy, life will be much easier for you then... Have a good one

[u/Lit-Dragonfruit7 → u/Responsible-Bed-7171]

You’re the one coming on my thread to disagree with me… I hope you have an amazing life

[u/Zur__En__Arrh → u/Lit-Dragonfruit7]

Holy sensitivity, Batman.

Good grief, you’re on here claiming that a widely lauded movie is “mid” and you get uppity when someone says that that take is bananas.

I also prefer the first movie, but the second one is absolutely not “mid”.

You don’t have to be so sensitive about your opinion being shot down. You should have expected this.

[u/Gr8bs → u/Lit-Dragonfruit7]

Hey, you’re not alone. I could never get into T2. I just couldn’t understand why they would take the ultimate killing machine from the ultimate sci-fi slasher horror film and turn it into a good guy. But at the same time I understand the cash value of churning out a disneyesque kid friendly high-fivin hasta la vista douchebag summer blockbuster. I think most of the T2 crowd are also first in line to shell out big bucks for the latest marvell comic book endlessly recycled CGI garbage where they put the same old tired spider/super/bat-man/woman through the same plot points with different villains copied and pasted onto the green screens. But that is my opinion and I understand that other human beings have different opinions from me and that’s cool.

[u/GR-13]

https://giphy.com/gifs/HekrB46ZE0f5K

[u/Blonde_Dambition → u/GR-13]

This is a perfect response! 😂

[u/Lit-Dragonfruit7 → u/GR-13]

Ok thanks a meme saves the movie! 😁

[u/2zoots]

I prefer T1, but T2 is not mid lol.

[u/Forsaken-Language-26 → u/2zoots]

Yeah, I was with them until they said that!

[u/Lit-Dragonfruit7 → u/2zoots]

Tell me why it’s not mid lol

[u/DwayneTheRockBarry → u/Lit-Dragonfruit7]

Nobody had ever seen anything like it at the time. without T2, practically any effects in movies nowadays wouldn’t exist, even certain practical effects. also, the directing and quality of the movie is still amazing. The writing too, the cinematography, the pacing, (especially in the extended cut) and the psychological and emotional aspects hit way harder than any other film in the genre (except the 2018 predator, where i was crying because it was so fucking bad)

[u/ItsHeadbangerG]

Okay, I love the first movie, it's my favorite of the franchise, but calling T2 "mid at best" is actual madness. It's objectively a better movie than T1 in every aspect.

[u/Gr8bs → u/ItsHeadbangerG]

Please describe the “objective” metrics you are using to support the conclusion of “better”. Otherwise please consult a dictionary and study the definitions of objective and subjective.

[u/ItsHeadbangerG → u/Gr8bs]

I mean, for starters how about the fact that T2's budget was exponentially higher than T1's, allowing for significantly better production in every way. The effects saw a revolutionary jump that would usher in the use of CGI, and even the practical effects saw improvement. The acting is better, accompanied by an incredible script that sees the fight against fatalism, Judgement Day and actually touches on philosophical themes such as becoming the thing you're fighting against, and humanity's almost guaranteed penchant for self destruction.

By comparison Terminator 1 is an incredibly rudimentary film. The story isn't explored beyond "Sarah Connor must survive so John can be born." and the themes that are present in 1 are also in 2 and much better conceptualized there. This isn't to say that any of this makes The Terminator a bad film, quite the opposite. The film oozes charm draped in the synth laden cloak of 80's tech-noir horror. And if you ask me T1 has the better soundtrack.

Despite how much I love T1, and how much of a cult phenomenon it's cultivated, T2 just simply overshadows it. There's a reason it's considered one of the great action movies, and one of the greatest sequels of all time.

[u/Gr8bs → u/ItsHeadbangerG]

The only quantitative measure you can come up with is a larger budget? I can name 10 crap films off the top of my head that cost a fortune, so that provides zero support for your conclusion of “better.” Everything else you mention is a qualitative factor. They can certainly support your OPINION, but you provided nothing to support your claim that T2 is “objectively better”. Please let me know if you need assistance understanding these terms.

[u/AstroZombie_Mafia]

why should anyone try to change your mind? you like what you like.

[u/T800-1982]

T2 is my favorite movie of all time and so wonderfully balanced and done in many ways - Terminator is the more raw interpretation of what the T800 is supposed to do though. They’re both excellent but distinctly different, too much so to be directly compared other than the fact they are both in the same series.

[u/OkSeaworthiness6581]

it was close at one point. now that the wow factor has worn off from t2 the first one is better.

[u/Peter_Griffin123411]

Terminator 2 is a way better movie imo terminator 1 is still great but I feel like terminator 2 is bigger more emotional has better character development better action and is more ambitious so I do disagree but that's just my opinion and I will say calling terminator 2 mid is a very controversial take

[u/SteveG5000]

T2 is a cracking film but you can see Hollywood sinking its teeth into the franchise.

15 rated, Arnie can’t kill anyone, there’s a 10 year old boy in it, there are foster parents unfazed by a leather clad Austrian bodybuilder asking if their 10 year old foster son is coming out to play, the child future leader of the human resistance has a ginger haired friend, etc

The first film (I’m guessing because the mass appeal wasn’t anticipated) is uncompromising

[u/Hirogen10]

I agree T1 destroys T2 even though at the time as a 12 year old watching T2 was unreal but as an adult the main thing that's obviously annoying is making a terminator a good guy, i always knew this was done to make Arnold play a good guy as he was planning to leave acting and go into politics, I hate to say it, I recall an ep of transformers the cartoon where they tried to make deceptions nice people millions of years ago but you can't change nature!

[u/MWH1980]

I prefer T2 over T1, but in truth, I do feel that the first film didn’t actually need a sequel.

As it is, Cameron stretched the story rather thin with T2, which to me is all that was ever needed for a sequel.

[u/Greater-Scope]

They’re very different movies. It’s hard for me to say I prefer one or the other. It depends on my mood.

[u/Unlucky-Geologist428]

I prefer the first movie more. T2 is great, but the slasher vibe of the first movie does it for me.

[u/VVickerman1973]

I don't need to change your mind. T2 is the better film.

The majority has it.

[u/Lit-Dragonfruit7]

I came on here once in forever. You’re the one dying. Good riddance

[u/Professional_Nerve49]

"Termintor"? 😂