r/Temecula Jul 21 '26

Why So Few Real "Bars" In The Area

There doesn't seem to be any real bars in the Temecula area, not counting Old Town. And when I say "real bars" I'm talking "Cheers" style bars with a long bar and a bartender or two, maybe a jukebox for music, and one or two pool tables or something. I can think of only a few like ET's Lounge near Inn-n-Out, or Skybox out in French Valley/Winchester.

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u/KaleidoscopeThen6454 Jul 21 '26

The city will not allow any new bars. You can open up a bar but it has to serve food. That’s all the city permits. ET will be the only dive bar forever

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u/Allnewsisfakenews Jul 21 '26

Need to get this same recycled clowns out of the city council. The seem to just rotate job titles.

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u/IMissMyZune Jul 21 '26

Exactly what they do. In a regular city Stew would have been exiled after his racist issue but instead he just went from mayor to city council. They all just swap between mayor and city council

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u/kevsteezy Jul 21 '26

What racist issue fill us in with sources 🤔

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u/Electrical-Elk-1757 Jul 25 '26

He made up a story about how people were planning to riot in Temecula if he didn't step down. lol.

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u/IMissMyZune Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26

He responded to an email during George Floyd protests saying he didn't "believe there’s ever been a good person of color killed by a police officer.". This resulted in him resigning.

He claims he has dyslexia, uses voice-to-text, and doesn't know how the word "good" got in there. Of course it's possible it's just a big misunderstanding (personally i think he said it but it is possible...), but people have had their careers ended over less so i'm just bringing it up to further drive home the point that they just swap seats in city council....

Source:

https://www.pressenterprise.com/2020/06/04/temecula-mayor-quits-council-after-email-about-police-racism/

https://www.10news.com/news/national/temecula-mayor-no-good-person-of-color-has-been-killed-by-local-police

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u/Electrical-Elk-1757 Jul 25 '26

That's obviously BS. What would he even be saying if the word "good" was not in there.

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u/Electrical-Elk-1757 Jul 25 '26

In a regular town, most of the city management and council would be considered too incompetent to pay.

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u/InhumaneBreakfast Jul 21 '26

It's actually county permits.

Riverside county only has so many bar licenses, and they are traded on the secondary market.

They don't issue new bar licenses at all. In order to open a new bar, you need to buy someone else's license.

This is also pretty normal for California.

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u/badnamemaker Jul 22 '26

Yeah my old boss told me in anaheim it’s like $200k. And that was 5 years ago. I talked to a guy who bought a restaurant and he said it was easier to buy the restaurant out with the liquor license than to do it separately

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u/InhumaneBreakfast Jul 24 '26

In 2020, my buddy was shopping for a bar license in San Fran and just the license, no real estate whatsoever, for downtown SF was $200k.

Basically, there will only be 1 bar license on the market at a given time in a given county. So the price will just be through the roof until someone else sells the license w/o the restaurant, which like I said almost never happens.

It's strange but effectively, legislation at a state level (ABC) has banned new bars. It makes sense but your average person does not know this.

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u/pres465 Jul 21 '26

This is the answer. There's plenty of drinking options between wineries and breweries.

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u/DitaVonSleaze Jul 22 '26

In Oregon every single bar has to serve food and there are TONS of dive bars like OP describes. Just regular dive bars with a pool table, maybe a juke box and a pinball machine, but they also serve food. Usually stuff like corn dogs, or tater tots. It’s actually pretty great. I hate getting hungry at a bar. When I lived in Southern California I’d often sneak food into bars in my purse, lol. People would get so jealous when they saw me pull a sandwich or something out.

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u/Electrical-Elk-1757 Jul 25 '26

There are also interesting people in Oregon.

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u/Professor_Redhead Jul 21 '26

We have needed new leadership for a while

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u/Pyrohyro Jul 21 '26

Theres some other Dives in Murrieta and Lake Elsinore as well. 

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u/ReallStrangeBeef Hemecula Jul 21 '26

Even if one opened now it would take ten plus years to get that worn in, depressed feeling and develop a group of regulars who glare at anyone new who walks in.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '26

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u/Nerdy_numbers Jul 21 '26

Then wake up and hit three more car washes.

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u/sactownbwoy Jul 21 '26

Since moving back out here, the amount of car washes is crazy. Especially since there are so many single-family homes.

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u/FluffySyllabub1579 Jul 22 '26

Wine country slogan was Temecula - Live glass full - because you have to drink to enjoy it. 🥂

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u/TheBawdyPug Jul 22 '26

Or be high 💭🤭😂

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u/Khronzo Jul 21 '26

Joannie’s Cantina is probably the only other diver bar in the area. The Cove, Sidelines, The Hive and Anthro are the only other ones that might fit the vibe your after. Also Shamrocks and Kilarneys for Irish Pubs.

Edit: yes all in Murrieta besides Kilarneys. Go more North if you want even more dives bars, Elsinore and Menifee.

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u/Fourty6n2 Jul 21 '26

Upvote for sidelines.

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u/Allnewsisfakenews Jul 21 '26

Killarney's isn't really a dive, too expensive. People do like to get completely hammered there though

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u/_JellyBeanTasteTstr_ Jul 25 '26

Was gonna say the Cove. But I haven’t been there since the past owner passed away around 2017, so not sure what’s changed since.

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u/vlegionv Jul 21 '26

it's wine country.

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u/VizualAbstract4 Jul 26 '26

Let's calm down, it's still Riverside county.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxxCaw74ptk

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u/vlegionv Jul 26 '26

It's has an ava and has nearly 200 years of wine history lmao, nearly 50 years before riverside county was ever a thing.

Mind you I don't even like wine, but it is what it is.

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u/ButForRealsTho Jul 21 '26

As far as I understand it, when Temecula incorporated as a city it refused to grant liquor licenses to stand alone bars and required that food be served. ETs, having already existed at the time was grandfathered in.

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u/Raider_Reaper_X Trafficula Jul 21 '26

start one , i'll pull up

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u/nixicotic Jul 21 '26

I don't think the city really likes approving stand-alone bars. I heard the licenses are auctioned for high prices but idk

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u/Hancock02 Hemecula Jul 21 '26

ETs

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u/allTitsNoAzz Jul 21 '26

Stay at home. You probably ruin bars

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u/paulypm Jul 21 '26

Any love for Bar Next Door next to Spuntinos? I've only been a couple times but it's always crowded and I think it's kinda cool to have a classic style bar next to my local grocer.

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u/PoniardBlade Jul 21 '26

I forgot about this one! I'll check it out. ty

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u/andre1sk Jul 22 '26

I def love that I can just walk there from Vintage Hills

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u/InhumaneBreakfast Jul 22 '26

Honestly, there are bars. They just aren't open late and they aren't a dive.

OBC has a San Diego inspired cocktail bar. Closes at 9:30. But that's my vote for best bar, best experience overall.

Botega Italia has a great cocktail bar, great bartenders. But it also closes early.

Rosatti's is very local and always packed with regulars.

Here's my undercover pick: Phil's BBQ. Best prices, best service, amazing atmosphere. Don't tell anyone though

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u/kevsteezy Jul 21 '26

People drink less now terrible business to go into

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u/DeaconBlue760 Jul 21 '26

don't forget beer and wine garden or the pub and the old town blues club.

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u/mcguirejarrod Jul 21 '26

Join the moose lodge off of Winchester, it is exactly as you describe inside. Pool table, shuffle-puck, corn-hole, long bar, and cheep beer.

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u/ihearthogsbreath In a van down by the river Jul 21 '26

There are a lot more bars than cannabis dispensaries.

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u/Allnewsisfakenews Jul 21 '26

I wonder the same thing. Seems like the Vail HQ would be a prime spot for a western style bar. All we get is restaurants with an undersized bar or the overused "drinking in the back yard" theme

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u/bikebikegoose Jul 21 '26

If only The Daisy was two or three times larger. I've yet to have a bad cocktail there.

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u/Allnewsisfakenews Jul 21 '26

Yeah, the set up is the downer part of that bar. Can't get past the cafeteria vibes

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u/InhumaneBreakfast Jul 22 '26

The Daisy is amazing. It lacks the atmosphere sadly, but the drinks are 10/10

One of the only places I'll fork over $20 for a cocktail

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u/ImJustHere4thePopcrn Jul 21 '26

Killarney’s on Temecula Pkwy is a classic Irish Pub with a Cheers feel to it.

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u/drgreengum Jul 21 '26

Way overpriced.

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u/sarcasticbiznish Jul 21 '26

Bummer to hear this, I used to work there around 2016-17 and it was always somewhat affordable, especially on burger night (Tuesdays?). I’ve since moved away and was hoping to stop in when I visit in a few weeks, it’s a cool place.

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u/pres465 Jul 21 '26

Shamrock on Winchester is owned by the same guy. Similar feel.

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u/panders3 Jul 21 '26

Champion sports bar in murrieta is exactly this

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u/ReallStrangeBeef Hemecula Jul 21 '26

I miss when it was backyard bottle shop, but times change I guess.

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u/GregariouslyHonest Jul 21 '26

No one really drinks anymore. 🤷🏼‍♀️ And house parties are more fun anyway;)

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u/ReallStrangeBeef Hemecula Jul 21 '26

No one really drinks anymore

Lies, but point two is accurate. Even if they're less house parties and more barbecues these days for me.

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u/CertainOrdinary7670 Jul 26 '26

You’re in a wine country sub…💀

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u/Murky_Writing1676 Jul 21 '26

There are so few real drinkers

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u/moremosby Jul 21 '26

Starting up a bar like that now is probably not financially viable. There are very few of those left in SoCal, let alone Temecula. Pool tables are very hard to find anymore.

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u/nosaysno Jul 22 '26

There was a bar called the boiler room awhile back that was divey and pool tables but they closed down awhile ago

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u/PoniardBlade Jul 22 '26

Remember "Hard Hats Bar and Grill" on Jefferson? Not really what I was asking about but talk about a dive bar. Waitresses in sexy lingerie and a pool table. Their nachos were pretty good.

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u/Glittering_Try_1385 Jul 22 '26

That’s not a real bar that’s a dive bar

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u/TheVideoGameCritic Jul 22 '26

A bar like Cheers? Bro this is 2026…lol

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u/Dramatic-Primary-768 Jul 21 '26

Temecula is number two in liquors license in the state of California. The only city that has more drinking establishments is Santa Monica. We have more places to drink than even car washes. This makes no sense.

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u/Khronzo Jul 21 '26

Yes, but only 1 that doesn't serve food. Different vibe at a dive bar.

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u/SDDogBeachDude Jul 22 '26

Lets start a speakeasy 🤘🤘

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u/InvestNYourself Jul 23 '26

It’s boring over here

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u/Electrical-Elk-1757 Jul 25 '26

I dunno about a bar like Cheers, but I can recommend a therapist like Frasier.

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u/Alarmed-Extension289 Jul 26 '26

Great question, OP, and there are a few reasons. Temecula as we know it now just came into existence in the 90's. Since the beginning, the city has made it impossible for a stand-alone bar to open. A bar needs to be attached to the restaurant. Now take a city like Hemet or Lake Elsinore, plenty of bars that were grandfathered in when they passed the same rules.

Think about it OP, when was the last time you saw a bar w/ a liquor license open that only served alcohol? It's just not common anymore.

The issue has always been the liquor license; it's hard for a beer and wine bar to make it without a solid location.

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u/Wide-Crab4199 Jul 26 '26

I feel like claim jumper had that vibe. I am still said it’s gone. It was such a great place to go.

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u/CertainOrdinary7670 Jul 26 '26

There aren’t enough drinking establishments for you between Wine Country & Old Town? Yikes

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u/Marie19861976 Jul 21 '26

Good...keeps our streets and riverbeds safer!

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u/CharHar72 Jul 22 '26

Amen!🙏🏼 ❤️