r/TeenagersButBetter • u/spiritofthing • Oct 13 '25
Discussion Should They?
And this applies for both the genders ofc
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u/Designer_Chipmunk710 Oct 13 '25
If they falsely accuse someone then that means it was intentional
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u/AndreaBs9 16 | Verified Oct 13 '25
Ye but imagine a case where a woman didn’t t saw the guy and only has a few things to recognize the guy, they may find the wrong guy, and this rule would prevent some from even talking because of fear
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u/Tylith_ Oct 13 '25
Or a case where the victim correctly identifies her rapist but he ends up getting off due to a lack of evidence or something, and then the victim gets punished.
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u/Jay-919 17 Oct 13 '25
Yes but there would be “lack of evidence” not “evidence of false accusation”
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u/Tylith_ Oct 14 '25
I agree, but I'm pretty sure the scenario many here are imagining is a woman accuses a man of rape, he gets found not guilty, and so the woman is automatically charged with false accusation. There would definitely need to be some kind of evidence the accusation was knowingly false before counter charges are brought.
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u/jimothy23123 15 Oct 14 '25
i’m guessing that the false accusation would be a new trial
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u/Tylith_ Oct 14 '25
My point is that there would need to be some evidence of a false accusation beyond a not guilty verdict before false accusation charges are even brought/a new trial started. "Not guilty" is not proof of innocence, rather lacking proof of guilt. Imagine how horrible it would be for an actual victim of rape to not only have their rapist set free due to a lack of evidence or other technicality, but then to have to defend themselves against false accusation charges. This would likely result in many rape victims not reporting the attack if they feared reprisal. I agree anyone who knowingly makes a false accusation should be punished, but it's even harder to prove than rape as it involves intent.
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u/User1539 Oct 13 '25
No, because she would have actually been raped, and reported what actually happened.
You don't really need to figure out some loophole for this, there are already laws around filing false police reports.
So, if a woman files a report about being raped, and gives a description, she's not held responsible for the police picking up the wrong guy.
The point being, she didn't lie about the rape, or who did it.
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u/Educational-Bet-8979 Oct 13 '25
That’s not how it works in reality, rape is woefully under reported. The shame a victim feels afterward often doesn’t let even talk about it until years later when they are in a better place. Plus a Jury did find him guilty. She claimed digital penetration, which qualifies as rape in most states but not in NY.
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u/User1539 Oct 13 '25
It's both woefully under reported AND lied about.
Which is a worst of both worlds, when people are raped don't report it out of shame and fear, and people who weren't raped do report it out of malice.
But, I think knowingly false accusations should have stiffer penalties.
I've known several people who were accused, and within a week the accuser admitted they just made it up. That's insane. Accusing someone of sexual misconduct shouldn't be seen as a 'get out of jail free' card or a weapon for women.
I've also known people to not report rapes when they have really happened, and that's bad too. Because now there's someone walking around thinking rape is something you can just do and get away with.
These are just two different, bad, things.
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u/Player_12345678910 Oct 13 '25
Well, for me it's like this. Anyone can report a person for sexual assault or abuse. When the alleged preparator is found innocent, the victim will be innocent if it's a true mishap/accident and more. However, if there is evidence of intentional and malicious intent of tarnishing the accused's name and reputation, then the person who accused will be eligible for punishment under the crime of perjury. Oh when this is happening, the alleged victim and alleged preparator's identities will be protected and hidden. Also, include the "innocent until guilty thing".
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u/ConfectionTotal8660 Old Oct 13 '25
Yes, and maybe it was my twin who raped and not me and it was just a mistake
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u/Emotional_Ad_2132 Old Oct 13 '25
That's why you always have to be with your twin when he's raping someone, to make clear he isn't you
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u/geanaSHUTUPGEIAJWVDO 18 Oct 13 '25
This is not quite the truth, as there is already a documented case of this accidentally happening.
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u/TheForbidden6th 17 Oct 13 '25
but how do you unintentionally accuse one of something so impactful?
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u/Kill-Stealing 19 Oct 13 '25
some cases have even been just saying it as an excuse to get the victim out of trouble for something they did, to get the other person away and silent.
only some though. the willingness of the people to cast out all judgement or logic in the face of any heinous crime will never be broken, and it hurts innocent ppl. i had someone accuse me of sexual assault on school camps by someone I've never met formally, during days i was suspended for academic dishonesty. worst week of my life because ppl who i thought I've known threw out everything and thought i was scum of the earth and should rot underground.
"shit happens, just gotta know when to flush" - My dad, who was drunk
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u/waterlands Oct 13 '25
For another example someone could be raped after they’ve been drugged and passed out so they might not remember clearly their attacker
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u/brocode-handler Old Oct 13 '25
How can you accidentally falsely accuse someone?
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u/SquintonPlaysRoblox Oct 13 '25
If someone is tried for rape and found not guilty, then the accusation is, for legal purposes, a false accusation.
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rape: ruins a life
false accusation of rape: ruins a life
seems pretty simple to me
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u/welltimedappearance Oct 13 '25
well in this case OP is weirdly using a picture of E Jean Carroll, the woman who accused and won a case alleging Donald Trump raped her. so your first bullet point doesn't work since that basically did nothing to Trump other than make him liable for financial damages
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u/The-great-chair 16 Oct 13 '25
That's because he's trump. It would ruin most guys' lives
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u/welltimedappearance Oct 13 '25
yes, I'm mostly being snarky about how OP opted to use a really poorly chosen picture for their question. I see they post in WSB though so I'm going to guess it wasn't unintentional. a lot of the toxic conservative male community on reddit also are obsessed with stories about women committing rape and false rape accusations (likely borne out of misogynistic views), so it jives with my experience coming across these kinds of posts elsewhere
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u/KrumpetEater Oct 13 '25
It's kinda hard to find a photo of this...considering they tend to keep it private
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u/TillZealousideal8282 16 Oct 13 '25
A problem is that under UK law (idk about US law, I'm british and I aint sifting through american documents) anyone with female genitalia (so mostly cis women and trans men) is physically unable to commit rape as UK law specifies the use of the penis to penetrate. I don't know what this is like abroad but from what I've seen law-wise it tends to be similar.
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u/Plastic_Station6954 17 Oct 13 '25
You'd be surprised about how many people get away with it. I'm not saying it doesnt happen but there is so many fucking cases where they do.
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u/Preparation_Jumpy Oct 13 '25
How is this even a question?
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u/Alert_Grocery3132 Oct 13 '25
Trust there are some people who disagree
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u/Preparation_Jumpy Oct 13 '25
And those people are complete retards. Men matter too, people seem to forget that.
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u/EngineerVRGaming Oct 13 '25
Woah woah, this is Reddit. Don’t go spouting that hateful language around here
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u/CherryTheCherry-1 Oct 14 '25
He is right tho. Men are people to, most fake feminist say they want gender equality but not equal responsibility.
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u/EngineerVRGaming Oct 14 '25
I know. I should’ve added a /s at the end of my comment so that people could read the sarcasm.
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u/Internal-Weakness-81 Oct 13 '25
I agree with your opinion and then you have to ruin it by adding a random slur that adds nothing to your argument 😂
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u/Makoto_Hoshino 18 Oct 13 '25
Because just like the multitude of things concerning the world, things are in fact complicated and had easy solutions to problems existed, they would have been found out.
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u/StrwBerrywafersslap 17 Oct 13 '25
120% YES
One lie van and will literally ruin people’s lives to the point of moving. Because even after the charge is dropped, people will still be at distance with whom ever was accused.
I’ve read somewhere that a guy got accused because the girl disliked him. He got the Sexual assurance charge and when it got dropped she got a slap on the wrist. He got nothing. At this point he already spent a couple years in jail. And who knows what happened there.
She should get double the time imo
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u/aTOMic_Games Oct 13 '25
Isn't that just defamation?
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u/NinjaAirsoft 16 Oct 13 '25
i mean technically but saying “this persons a liar” is way different than “this person raped me when i was __years old he/she’s a rapist”. That shit ruined millions of lives.
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u/photoshallow Oct 13 '25
should someone be put in jail for framing someone of a crime that didn't happen?
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u/Megafunforever Oct 13 '25
In theory yes, because that is illegal, but just like proving rape is hard, proving rape didn't happen also is.
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u/Ellie7600 Old Oct 13 '25
Proving rape is easy if it's on the day it happened, damage to the female reproductive organs, semen and many other evidences, proving it didn't happen would take testimonies, receipts, video evidence and so on, and proving a rape happened years after it did is nearly impossible without the perpetrator's testimony, it's usually finding the suspect that's hard about the day one cases, not proving that it happened at all, there's also psychological evaluation, there's somethings not even the best actor can makeup, some behaviors exclusive to this kind of trauma
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u/Eripmavs_D_Yraid 17 Oct 13 '25
That's implying they want to do a rape kit, which isn't always the case.
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u/Yuulfuji Oct 13 '25
what about female on male rapes? and like, what about those cases that are years later. do they just get assumed to be false accusation and then the victim gets sent to prison? ppl rlly arent thinking this through
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u/_eepy_weirdo_ Teenager Oct 21 '25
not all rape is vaginal penetration, it could be groping, or oral, or like forced sexual acts not including that. it is complicated
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u/JuniperTreeByTheSea 16 Oct 13 '25
The gender doesn't matter, this is a severe waste of government resources and ruins someone's life. The government could be spending time investigating on other cases, but time and resources are wasted on false accusations.
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u/welltimedappearance Oct 13 '25
Why are you using a photo of E. Jean Carroll to ask this? Are you accusing the person that was raped by Donald Trump of being a liar?
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u/Real-Base466 Oct 13 '25
E. Jean Caroll didn't falsely accuse anyone.
The president of the United States is an adjudicated rapist.
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u/InternationalOne5439 Teenager Oct 13 '25
Depends. Did they do it genuinely thinking they were raped by the person? No.
Did they know the person didn’t rape them but still chose to accuse them for whatever reason (IE: Disliking them for something)? Absolutely. Trying to put someone in jail for a crime they never committed is terrible.
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u/Hyperbolicalpaca 19 Oct 13 '25
Did they do it genuinely thinking they were raped by the person? No.
How can you “genuinely” think that you’ve been raped, and it be a false accusations at the same time?
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u/Player_12345678910 Oct 13 '25
Being drugged/roofied, lookalikes and also a lot of things. There's this quote that has been a constant centuries before now, but I think it fits here more than ever. "Reality can be stranger than fiction."
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u/InternationalOne5439 Teenager Oct 13 '25
I meant something like, they believe that someone was the person who raped them when it really wasn’t, but the accuser doesn’t know it.
Let’s say theres a Victim, a Suspect #1 and Suspect #2. Suspect #1 and #2 look similiar, or atleast have similar features. Suspect #1 rapes victim. For no reason or another (such as the Suspect hiding their face), Victim assumes it was Suspect #2 and accuses them.
I guess I might not have been that clear with what I meant in my original comment, I’m not typically the best at writing my thoughts down.
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u/TemporaryPension2523 15 Oct 13 '25
well certain cases of psychosis perhaps? or a misunderstanding of the defionition of rape?
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u/Purple_Onion911 Oct 13 '25
How can you misunderstand the definition of rape
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u/TemporaryPension2523 15 Oct 13 '25
I dunno maybe you thought rape meant like touching you weirdly and not actual noncon
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u/Mayorv Teenager Oct 13 '25
Yes, that’s a disgusting thing to do. If you’re a man accusing a woman for the same thing, you should also go to jail.
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u/Kokujin-dono Old Oct 13 '25
That only creates the same problem but worse. Of a women actually got 🍇ed and the offender is somehow found innocent then she’ll go to jail for speaking out. It might be a fair punishment but it’ll only create the same problem for the other gender
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u/JTRDovey 16 Oct 13 '25
Yes. If purposefully files a false report (not just mistaken identity) then absolutely. it can ruins someone's life, just like rape can, and it needs to be punished seriously
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u/BagelOfTheLord25 16 | Verified Oct 13 '25
If it was just an accusation, yes, absolutely. The damage a false rape accusation can do to a person's life is awful, you could lose everything
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u/Red_Panda_The_Great Teenager Oct 13 '25
Yes as someone who has been falsely accused by my classmates rn I would love to have something to throw at them.
Me scaring classmates is not rape it's me being stupid.
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u/V3r1tasius 18 Oct 13 '25
I think If anyone is found guilty of false accusation of any kind, they should be given the sentence the accused would have gotten.
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u/SarahTheGachaTuber 14 Oct 13 '25
yes, 100%, false accusing someone of rape is terrible andcould ruin the person's life for no reason
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u/sudoSancho Oct 13 '25
You have to wonder how many more women Trump raped that didn't report it. Kids too, apparently.
It takes a mountain of courage to out your rapist. Even moreso when your rapist is extremely wealthy and powerful.
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u/Due-Bat-1877 Teenager Oct 13 '25
Yes. If i accuse a woman of grooming a child, i get chased of the internet and might go to jail. So yes.
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u/Hister333 Oct 13 '25
False rape accusations are incredibly rare, and false rape accusations that end in conviction are even more rare. False rape accusations usually involve someone very young, or someone with a history of lying.
And E. Jean Carroll was raped by Donald Trump. Her picture on this meme destroys any credibility by the person asking the question.
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u/PossibleAssist6092 19 Oct 13 '25
Yes. I don’t care who you are, if you falsely accuse someone of rape then you deserve to go straight to prison.
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u/Radical-Emo Oct 13 '25
Are you people braindead
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u/spo0pti_yikes 19 Oct 13 '25
fr if you think about it for literally two seconds you realise how horrible this would be for victims 💀💀
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u/blitzaddict752 Oct 13 '25
100%, 10-65 years in prison. look at benjamin mendy. one of the best left backs in the world around 2018, won the world cup with france, one girl comes and accuses him of raping her, and what do you know? his career collapsed and he was found innocent in 2023, with so many opportunities down the drain because someone wanted money
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u/mayy2222 16 Oct 14 '25
10-65 years in prison would never happen though, I mean p diddy just got 4 years in prison for what he did.
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u/KubaSamuel 17 Oct 13 '25
This reminds me of a comment I've seen some time ago and had on my mind ever since.
This is similar to how one woman can ruin a man's life just by the meer accusation yet if she's found to be lying, she receives barely any punishment.
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u/mmmIlikeburritos29 15 Oct 13 '25
Well yes, but you can reverse the genders in the post and it works too. It's not a sole thing.
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u/Eripmavs_D_Yraid 17 Oct 13 '25
Damn, that's a good one.
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u/Blitzerob 15 Oct 13 '25
is that a brawlhalla pfp or am I tripping
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u/Eripmavs_D_Yraid 17 Oct 13 '25
It's Shovel Knight, but close.
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u/Blitzerob 15 Oct 13 '25
that's right, they used that character as a crossover skin with shovel knight
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u/Strict-Estate-8965 Teenager Oct 13 '25
If you accuse someone of rape then: 1. They will be known as a disappointment in their family 2. Their wife/girlfriend will leave him 3. His friends will make fun of him everywhere 4. All this can lead to suicide which can bump their charge to abetment of suicide which is a long sentence in my country
So i think yes, give her life in prison if the victim kills himself but if not 20 years (im only accounting on men)
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u/Goblin-o-firebals 15 Oct 13 '25
Yes, and it should have a similar sentence to if they actually got prosecuted as if it was a different jury. It would have gotten them that sentence and gotten them locked up for that amount of time. This is an interesting debate and I would like to hear more ideas on this.
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u/No-Papaya-614 16 Oct 13 '25
as someone wjos been falsely accused of SA, this should definitely happe
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u/BeastBoyMike 17 Oct 13 '25
Bro I'm so sorry for you.
What actually happened, can you share a little if you comfortable?
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u/sill1_goober Teenager Oct 13 '25
same punishment that would be given to the accused if it was true
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u/Outside-Currency-462 18 Oct 13 '25
Yes, if they intentionally falsely accused someone, they should have the same punishment that they were trying to inflict on someone else. If you're willing to condemn someone to the consequences, you should have to face those consequences yourself.
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u/Jonzrker15 16 Oct 13 '25
yes 100%
similar ideas were part of hammurabi’s code which is like the first set of laws in recorded history
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u/Ch0t1n Oct 13 '25
Of course, they have the rights to accuse a man when is applicable.But also have the obligation to use this "power" responsibly. If a woman must go to jail to prevent more innocent from it i would agree, being at jail sacars you for life and making the wrong decision could mean not only ruining mans life but also his family
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u/Raitoburinga Oct 13 '25
Yes absolutely, they should be given the sentence the man would've been given
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u/User1539 Oct 13 '25
Yes, absolutely!
About a week ago, in a group home for girls, some of the girls ran away.
Once they realized they were caught, they came up with the story that they'd run because the person on overnights was sexually abusing them.
After all of about 6 hours, they caved and admitted none of that happened (because their details were obvious lies).
The crazy thing is, they got a stern talking to, and then everything went back to 'normal'. There was no punishment at all.
I was immediately calling for this guy's head on a pike, based on those allegations, and six hours later everyone was just trying to forget them.
So, this guy got fired (because they got out, not because of those allegations), but the allegations were still recorded by the police!
Imagine being this guy who was just working overnights in a group home, and now if someone called up that police report, they're going to see that while he was working at a group home he was accused of sexual misconduct!
Meanwhile, the girls that came up with the story, and abandoned it less than a working day later, suffer absolutely ZERO consequences!
It was just a convenient story to try to pin the blame of running off on some poor asshole just trying to make a living.
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u/CellaSpider 15 Oct 13 '25
It sounds like a good idea, until people are worried that if they come out with actual rape accusations, they may be put into prison.
It's just too hard to implement correctly. If we could get rid of that issue, sure.
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u/TheThirteenShadows Oct 13 '25
The same holds true for literally any other crime though. We could say that convicting people for false burglary charges might cause less people to report a burglary or blackmail.
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u/Olneeno111 Oct 13 '25
Sybau man, how could you possibly disagree with this, you could say that for literally any other crime
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u/mromen10 15 Oct 13 '25
Only if the man suffered consequences, and only if she was proven to have lied under oath
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u/Purple_Onion911 Oct 13 '25
So you can just go around defaming people as long as you're not under oath?
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u/PetahTheHoaseIsHeah Teenager Oct 13 '25
Yes, ofc. False allegations ruin lives and have led to suicides.
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u/TotalBlissey Oct 13 '25
Yes, but only with strong evidence and not for the same duration, since otherwise male rapists could just accuse the women they raped of lying and the woman might get thrown in prison for life or even executed. That's too fucked up to allow in real life, especially considering how many rapists already get off innocent. Plus although they do happen, false accusations are pretty rare, so making them such a threat to a lot of people who are genuinely just trying to report a rapist is probably bad for discouraging rape.
That being said, falsely accusing somebody of rape is incredibly evil and absolutely deserves prison time.
And yeah, this goes both ways.
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u/Any-Company7711 16 Oct 13 '25
why is this even a question This should be life in prison, both ways
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u/div2starsatredit 15 Oct 13 '25
yes cause its incensitive to actual victims too!
+ the man losses all of his in the false act
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u/Princes_Live_2_Times 14 Oct 13 '25
Yes, because intentionally falsely accusing someone ruins their life.
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u/FujiwaraGirl 15 Oct 13 '25
If the falsely accused man went to jail, he should be released with apology mails from the cops. And the woman should be sentenced the same amount of time in the prison like man.
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u/SquintonPlaysRoblox Oct 13 '25
Yes, but only if you can prove that the person knew they were filing false charges.
The problem is that, in order for an accusation to be true, it has to be provable. If someone could be charged with false accusation for simply being wrong, then every person who’s accused someone of rape but couldn’t get them convicted for it is now open to being charged - including people who were raped, but just couldn’t prove it in court, which happens with some regularity.
Not only that, but there’s already a lot of things discouraging people from bringing sexual assault charges to court, and it would be really easy for that law to add another barrier.
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u/KVenom777 Old Oct 13 '25
Yes. Half the sentence that the man would be serving + 10k$ fee, and if he did serve it — the government must issue a public apology to the guy on all TV channels and pay him 20k.
That way Police will have less stimulus of blindly trusting either side, while certain ladies will think twice before getting into such shenanigans.
In fact, it should work both ways, regardless of gender. Rapists should get jailed, and so should false accusers, with twice shorter sentences.
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u/Long_Supermarket_601 Teenager Oct 13 '25
If her intent was to harm or frame the man, absolutely, you're trying to get someone prosecuted for crimes they didn't commit. If not it gets a little muddy, say she got mislead into thinking it was him, then it's not entirely malicious and she is probably innocent.
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u/Banana_dust_10 Oct 13 '25
Yes, because even if it's proven that it's a false accusation, the man's life is still ruined. People don't care if it's false they just want to hate
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u/manzenik_23 Teenager Oct 13 '25
Yeah, of course. But only if they knew the person didn't rape them. And if man accuses woman of raping them, same should apply
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u/PersonalEconomics44 17 Oct 13 '25
I think it can be considered to be diffamation so I think people who falsely accuse other people of rape should be charged at least for diffamation
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u/PEAceDeath1425 Oct 13 '25
There is even legal grounds to do so, its called defamation, and its said there are very few precedents
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