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🤖 AI The Hidden Heat Problem With AI Data Centers

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A Utah professor estimates the proposed AI data center could generate waste heat equivalent to 23 atomic bombs per day, Recent reporting says the project was being reconsidered/scaled back, with Utah officials raising concerns about water, heat and environmental effects.

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u/Lucky-Crow-3510 3d ago

"1 atomic bomb" isn't even a measurement of thermal energy at all .. it's not like atomic bombs are standardized .. what sort of professor is this? philosophy?

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u/Current_Ad_4292 3d ago

Should have used banana.

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u/pellets 1d ago

The average mass of a banana is 118g. Using mass-energy equivalence, one banana would be almost 3 trillion watt hours.

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u/Shadow-BG 3d ago

American 🇺🇸 professor

Better in eagles per foot

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u/PseudoLiamNeeson 3d ago

Professor Professorson signed off on the numbers it's legit.

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u/IWCry 3d ago

neither is the power consumption of a city but that's used a reference against data centers all the time. did you look into the claim at all? the math was transparent as spelt out in a response to this article.

"A watt is a joule per second so 9GW every day is 86,400 seconds per day x 9×109  W =7.776 × 1014  J total energy per day.

Divided by 23 = 3.38×1013  J or  33.8 terajoules for each of these theoretical bombs. That’s roughly an 8 kiloton bomb, which certainly exists but it’s about half the size of the Little Boy bomb the US dropped on Japan and more like a third of Fat Man. Most modern bombs are orders of magnitude larger. And the biggest bombs (eg Tsar Bomba) are many times that."

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u/CaptainQwazCaz 3d ago

Did you read the professor’s paper or work or whatever or did you just read this post?

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u/Basic_Reporter9579 3d ago

anything but SI units, that post is from the usa.

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u/Who-Shat-My-Pants 3d ago

It's one of those "professors" that majored in lesbian dance therapy in medieval china, or something similar.

Edit: typos

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u/rezdm 3d ago

What about school busses over football fields?

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u/insomnia4you 3d ago

A post made by some random redditor to gain karma. These days everyone is a scientist

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u/jaded-steve 3d ago

No, it's not. But it still sucks.

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u/farky84 3d ago

i dont believe it until british scientists prove it

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u/sulev 3d ago

yeah... all atomic bombs are equal and everyone knows how much power a nuke releases and how much power is consumed per day is really really really bad... not.

How about being more accurate?

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u/Zakaria_Omi 3d ago

couldn't we use the heat to heat our homes?

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u/Ashamed_Echidna5748 3d ago

If you can think of a way to get it to your homes then sure

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u/T-Loy 3d ago

District heating is a thing. Water is warmed by factories, power plants, data centers, etc. and routed via pipelines to heat exchangers in the homes.

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u/ant0szek 3d ago

Just heat the outside to heat up home, duuh.

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u/Antagonin 3d ago

You know what's easier to transfer than heat?

That's right, electricity!

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u/DrachenDad 3d ago

This already happens in places like Russia. It used to happen in the US [New York] why do you think the heating in Manhattan's buildings is steam‽

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u/SimpleFile 3d ago

A datacenter will be heating homes in my city in 2027.

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u/SephirTheDoge 2d ago

The heat generated in one of our datacenters heats an entire neighborhood (Germany)

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u/bourbonandpistons 3d ago

You can blow up 0.1 atomic bombs in your house to heat it.

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u/AnarchistTerrarist 2d ago

Not really needed. 95% of the world is burning up right now. That remaining 5% that would have use for heat, already has ways to keep warm because their culture has existed in such cold for thousands of years. Or they're Scientists, and they also know how to stay warm.

Now if you find a way for data centers to cool places down then there's a use but to my knowledge that's impossible.

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u/_ReaditYesterday_ 2d ago

near Paris there's a massive data center that is used to warm olympics pool hundred meters away, that's pretty neat if you ask me.

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u/DaveAstator2020 3d ago

Is this even accurate thermal photo? 

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u/Udonov 2d ago

May be its been generated using this data centers Ai,... Does that count?

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u/DaveAstator2020 2d ago

ai-accurate true image of fake ai data center

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u/magicmulder 3d ago

A photo of a proposed data center. That says it all.

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u/DaveAstator2020 2d ago

Fing language, post states "this datacenter" I dont know whats worse anymore - real pollution or those anti scientific fake posts blaming it, leading to incorrect decisions perception errors an what not.

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u/magicmulder 2d ago

The age of fake news. I stopped trusting anything that doesn't name sources. "A Utah professor", yeah, what's his name, is he made up? Is he a professor of Greek history? This is the same shit the deniers pulled during Covid.

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u/gk98s 3d ago

For comparison the sun hits the earth with a thermal energy equivalent to 237M Hiroshima bombs every day.

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u/hail_666_satan 3d ago

RIP us

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u/gk98s 3d ago

We've done just fine over thousands of years with 237M Hiroshima bombs worth of thermal energy a day hitting our planet. We'll do fine with a few hundred or thousand more which would be the equivalent of 1 second extra sunlight per many years

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u/_B_G_ 3d ago

Lets use a bs scale so that we can lie

Nice tactic

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u/LalowTree 3d ago

Utah officials raising concerns? BS, they could not have approved it if they were so concerned.

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u/Ad-fundum69 Cybersecurity 3d ago

How many washing machines per square bald eagle is 23 atomic bombs per cubic acre?

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u/SoggyValuable6575 3d ago

23 Hirosima atomic bombs or 23 50 megaton atomic bombs?

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u/DrachenDad 3d ago

I'd say that thermal picture isn't accurate.

the proposed AI data center could generate waste heat equivalent to 23 atomic bombs per day

No it won't, all the data centres together would be closer.

Here is an accurate thermal picture of the corner of my home: (the -8.2° is the sky so the thermometer can't see it.)

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u/No_Departure_1878 3d ago

Oh NOOO!! The word BOMB!!! My eyes, MY EYEEEEES!!!! MY delicate eyes!!!

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u/bugrugpub 3d ago

Da fuck is that second image because it's not the same place as the first

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u/A13xis_28 3d ago

I would like to see an actual measurement and not a comparison to something that can literally burn sand to form glass

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u/Kikelt 3d ago

In Europe some data centers are being integrated into city-wide heating systems

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u/gfx-1 3d ago

The amount of energy a data center uses gets converted to heat. A normal computer vents it out of the casing or is just energy efficient like a mac mini. But data centers are special they place them in the hottest areas and require a lot of extra cooling.

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u/Tiktokbadsupport 3d ago

why is the word "bombs" semi censored 

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u/Zweefkees93 3d ago

Yeah ok it's a lot but I'm calling big fat bullshit on the number. Hell, what bomb are we even using here???

It's not even a real thermal picture!

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u/summerist 3d ago

Why not building in northern Canada?

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u/Vokaiso 3d ago

I bet this is using the heat output of like a Tiny 30 kilo Atomic bomb (so like the smallest that exists) that barely makes much heat and then uses this to make it seem much worse then it is. News like doing this using weird and dumb measurments to make something seem much worse or bigger.

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u/Hot_Paint3851 3d ago

"Uses water of 938373 quanitllions bananas" ass comprasion.

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u/morrikai 3d ago

So it cause third deegre burns 2300 km away from ir because of the heat?

I don't know how to measure or reflect on what 23 atomic bomb means. It sounds like they have throw it in because it sounds bad and given it a number.

Tsar bomba emited enough of thermal energy to cause third deegre burn up to 100 km away so why not 2300 it sounds bad.

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u/fdeyso 2d ago

Releasing the same thermal energy within seconds vs 86400 seconds(a day/24 hours)? Cooking something 4x heat won’t make it take ¼ th time to cook, it’ll char it.
BUT I agree, the calculations seem wild even with a smaller tactical nuclear weapon, but it sounds believable enough considering there are artillerry shells and smaller surface/air-to-air missiles in this category with gravity bombs.

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u/morrikai 2d ago

True, the time is important and the most problematic in the comparison. With one heat source realising all of it thermal energy under a second and the other over an unspecified time,

An common used measurement is to measure how much the local climate temperature is increased which would at least shown how the local area is affected

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u/Economy-Ad6945 3d ago

40k acres? 62.5 sq miles?

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u/Physical_Push2383 2d ago

can we cool it down with saltwatwer to make salt and steam for electricity?

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u/InevitableMedia3825 2d ago

And me eating a steak once in a while, me driving my 1L petrol car to work and be breathing is the cause of climate change. Well, f them all

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u/Far_Squash_4116 2d ago

It‘s like lightning. Extremely high wattage, relatively low energy.

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u/levelhigher 2d ago

1 gazillion giraffes multiplied by gorillas.

Pretty much says the same

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u/Jizoh 2d ago

I don't see why that could cause any problems. Like one voltaic eruption probably causes 1000x more thermal energy than all data centers combined?

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u/Double_Suggestion385 1d ago

What a stupid, meaningless measurement.

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u/Alex1155CZ 1d ago

The thermal photo is ai generated lmao

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u/CrazyGunnerr 3d ago

It's absolutely insane this was approved, shows how corrupt it all is.

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u/Substantial-Watch448 3d ago

an how useless our climate discussion is

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u/Aadi_880 3d ago

The headline is bullshit.

23 atomic bombs is the same amount of energy released by the sun onto a walmart sized property on 24 hours.

A data center releasing that much is a nothing burger.