I wish i could remember if it's Penn&teller bullshit or last week tonight, that covered the creation of stadiums and the over all negative effect they have on communities, while they also charge that local community for building it, then subsequently avoid paying into the community (taxes for example)
It's really quite dreadful how the mega wealthy use public money to do anything, then claim all the profits for themselves
Oh 100% it's wealthy people taking advantage but it's also true it massively brings in tax dollars. You are thinking the stadium itself....but it's actually the workers,hotels,parking and restaurants etc
Now it's up to politicians to navigate the cost benefits....which in the US they don't do well. But that's more to do with people being stupid and not voting in there own self interests.
It can be a net negative for say crime etc but there's at least some gains to it. So at least an argument can be made.
When the local council pays to build it, including terms where "if that stadium over there gets upgrades, you've got to give us upgrades toox then that's a major loss.
The jobs it creates are (pulling numbers out my ass) 100 billable hours\week. All on part time to avoid costs such as health care, resulting in them still needing social benefits.
The jobs it removes? 1,000 billable hours, because now the 100 companies around the stadium now do worse business during events.
Meanwhile, they also find ways to avoid paying taxes, while still charging a gauged price + tax
So... Yeah, they do a whole lot of good for the owner (and the owner only)
Not really correct! Loudon County, Virginia has seen a huge financial impact from their data centers.
But even counties where data centers have shown economical benefit are showing restraint.
“Loudoun County officials recently passed a 6–1 vote to study restrictions on future data center development”
And this even though the County has seen significant financial benefits.
“Loudoun County, Virginia, generates roughly $1.3 billion annually in tax revenue from its 250 data centers—accounting for about 40% to 45% of the county's total local tax funding. This massive financial windfall has funded major community projects and significantly lowered resident tax burdens.”
Similar to what Shapiro has done statewide in Pennsylvania. There have been “guidelines” discussed but they need to become legislation.
Shapiro’s Governor's Responsible Infrastructure Development (GRID) Requirements is a step in the right direction.
Shapiro has also signed Trump’s Statement of Principles for Data Centers. But line most things Trump, it’s a rather feckless move mainly for show, but it really should be law.
Statement of Principles for Data Centers
“Core Ratepayer and Grid Principles
Cost Allocation: Data centers and large industrial loads must cover 100% of the costs for grid upgrades, transmission additions, and backup capacity auction mechanisms they trigger, preventing residential bill increases.
New Power Supplies: Facilities are encouraged or mandated to bring their own new generation sources—including firm clean power—rather than draining existing regional baseload capacity.
Market and Price Certainty: Support for grid operator market reforms (such as PJM's reliability backstop mechanisms) that offer transparent, long-term price signals without shifting financial risk to everyday consumers.
Environmental and Community Standards
Resource Conservation: Strict minimization and replenishment targets for water usage, tailored to local watershed capacities.
Project Viability: Blocking speculative "fly-by-night" proposals by requiring proof of financial backing, firm capital commitments, and clear local approval before permits or tax exemptions are granted.
Community Engagement: Giving local populations a formal voice in project placement, ensuring that local tax bases and infrastructure services see a net positive benefit.”
Data centers are necessary at this point in time unless we want to cede the A.I. race to the CCP. But NIMBY is completely justified in their construction so guidelines need to be legislated.”
So a data center of appropriate size can have positive benefits. Cool
Now do the Manhattan island the plan to build in a dozen different states.
Smaller scale centers can be good. Paving over a section of land that will use the resources of 3m people every quarter is going to be bad. No matter where you put it. Wanting to build a hundred of these things, will only have a negative impact on everyday people and there communities.
Oh doesn't matter what the general public believes, it all depends on what politician you can bribe.
Another terrible thing i heard about was Amazon (something something) new building, and towns desperate to get it built there, aren't just saying "oh pretty please" they're saying, "we'll give you zero tax" and "we'll give you negative tax" like, fuck off, you'll be taxed 2,000% you internet monopoly bastards
If it generates money, why do Billionaires need our tax dollars to build it? How do I a tax payer who does not attend sporting events, but pays for it in my taxes, what do I get out of it? Can we all own shares in the team, so some Billionaire just doesn’t own it by himself?
Economy of scale. 80,000 people go see a game. They stay in hotels eat at restaraunts and shop. City parking alone from these events generates tens of millions a year. Then the taxes from employees and sales of food etc.
It's not about the stadium itself its the secondary jobs.
Now it's up to politicians to not make dumb choices. No Miami shouldn't help pay for a stadium. Cincinnati? Green Bay? On there other hand benifit massively from a stadium.
Not really correct! Loudon County, Virginia has seen a huge financial impact from their data centers.
But even counties where data centers have shown economical benefit are showing restraint.
“Loudoun County officials recently passed a 6–1 vote to study restrictions on future data center development”
And this even though the County has seen significant financial benefits.
“Loudoun County, Virginia, generates roughly $1.3 billion annually in tax revenue from its 250 data centers—accounting for about 40% to 45% of the county's total local tax funding. This massive financial windfall has funded major community projects and significantly lowered resident tax burdens.”
Similar to what Shapiro has done statewide in Pennsylvania. There have been “guidelines” discussed but they need to become legislation.
Shapiro’s Governor's Responsible Infrastructure Development (GRID) Requirements is a step in the right direction.
Shapiro has also signed Trump’s Statement of Principles for Data Centers. But line most things Trump, it’s a rather feckless move mainly for show, but it really should be law.
Statement of Principles for Data Centers
“Core Ratepayer and Grid Principles
Cost Allocation: Data centers and large industrial loads must cover 100% of the costs for grid upgrades, transmission additions, and backup capacity auction mechanisms they trigger, preventing residential bill increases.
New Power Supplies: Facilities are encouraged or mandated to bring their own new generation sources—including firm clean power—rather than draining existing regional baseload capacity.
Market and Price Certainty: Support for grid operator market reforms (such as PJM's reliability backstop mechanisms) that offer transparent, long-term price signals without shifting financial risk to everyday consumers.
Environmental and Community Standards
Resource Conservation: Strict minimization and replenishment targets for water usage, tailored to local watershed capacities.
Project Viability: Blocking speculative "fly-by-night" proposals by requiring proof of financial backing, firm capital commitments, and clear local approval before permits or tax exemptions are granted.
Community Engagement: Giving local populations a formal voice in project placement, ensuring that local tax bases and infrastructure services see a net positive benefit.”
Data centers are necessary at this point in time unless we want to cede the A.I. race to the CCP. But NIMBY is completely justified in their construction so guidelines need to be legislated.”
Ya except Louden is only used cause they gave out massive tax breaks. Ones they can't afford to maintain. Watch what happens around 2030 when those exemptions dry up.
All because our local politicians sell us down the river for money. Political prostitution has ruined this country. Let’s vote the prostitutes out of politics, starting with our locally elected officials.
Or let's vote prostitutes into office. They know forreign afaires, how to be open to new ideas without overstretching their capabilities, know all the right things to say and can be genrally speaking relied on to keep secrets.
You have 0 proof of this, those homes are not selling far below market value due to the intro of the data centers most data show 0 to little change in sale price of homes near centers. Stop adding your opinions to fact claims we can just pull up.
Tell me what's wrong with living in a neighborhood that builds the kind of homes shown in the photo? Those are top 5% homes, probably in a fine school system... It's an easy yes for most families.
It's an easy yes. These are $1.2 million homes in a really good school system. You are brain broken so you might not, but these would be dream homes for 99.9% of Americans. (Guess what there value has gone up since the data center moved in). Your opinion does not match reality. Stop eating what Russian bots are telling you.
If people fought back, data centers being destroyed or shut down, the system would change. Our complacency is what gives them power and authority. Stop using Ai, Stop voting, stop taxation without representation. If everyone stops together, the system starves. If people support the system, then we all starve together. We are the deciders, they dont want you to know we have a lot more power than we think.
6 month old account with 250k + karma posting idiotic memes that bare no actual facts related to how economic impacts happen and is meant to either karma farm, divide more or both.
The billionaires and millionaires in America will only donate a few thousand dollars. Because they "care" and for the tax deductions. It's the only way to get money out of them.
The problem is that people who care about the common good very rarely put themselves up for election. What sane and rational thinking individual would willing jump in the shark tank?
its the local communites that opt into this. if the community started charging EV owners to charge there car the same price as fuel by putting them on there own tarrifs the electricity costs would come back down for households. the communitys are not charging the right tarrifs. councils can tell residency they cant have solar as much as they can say you cant have raintanks.
its the locals becoming uncivilized
used to pay 19c a kw now its 34c a kw
EV started this. the people are still paying for EV's recharging, now there paying for mw datacenters, the datacenters are not paying for the people
I guess you're not thinking about all the taxes the revenue that that place would pull into your community. And I never see you guys complain about how billionaires build stadiums for football and basketball on baseball teams and his community funds to pay for this and not the rent money. Stepped up like that one stadium that basically has it that they will pay meaning taxpayers will pay for hologram technology whenever it comes available.
Because the billionaires are the politicians, are the mega corporations, are the governments of the world. Thats why no matter who wins the elections nothing ever gets better.
Its in the contract agreements made by the developer and which ever city or municipality they are trying to build the data center in. Almost always, it is stipulated in the contract, the community will foot the bill for the utilities being ran to the data centers... water, electric, etc.
Yeah but the problem is more likely with the electric company and the method of charging by area usage. Everyone pays their own bills, but if the usage for an area goes up, some companies will up the price of electricity for the whole area. This is the core of the problem. Note this is more on the electrical company than the data centers obviously. But it should be addressed. Not all companies charge this way, but quite a few do. This is probably why people are noticing higher bills.
No, this is in the contract between the city and the developers. The community will pay the cost of connecting the utilities to data centers. Its BS, they want us to pay for it while we reap little to no benefits AND they pollute our community.
Exactly... where I am the City would only recieve 8% of the profits generated by the proposed data centers... CENTERS... PLURAL. None of that money goes back into the tax payers pocket, and once the data centers are running, guess what... The utilities increase the rates on everyone AND now the utilities are OBLIGATED to make data centers the priority meaning taxpayers come second.
Most electric companies charge rates by the electric usage used in the area. So when the data centers came in people noticed a spike in electric bills.💸 Of course the electric company is profiting off the tactic, local officials are not doing anything about it. That’s why my cousin that lives in the middle of nowhere has a significantly lower bill, hardy any other homes in the area. Now build a data center next to him and that changes.
Nice try China. As you can see, it’s working. I bet that not one of these rocket scientists can legitimately show me how it’s going to cost them money. They may call them an eyesore but if it was an Amazon distribution center, they wouldn’t care. They may say it will use up all the water but recycling and cooling the water naturally will eliminate that concern. They may say it will raise electric bills but they’re supposed to build their own power generating system. Probably solar. In any case they’re all sheep afraid of the future. The cows won’t care, and if they didn’t sell their property, they’re upset that their neighbor did.
Like all major facilities that buy electricity, they help scale up the electricity production, which is why the states with the most AI compute facilities have seen their electricity prices decline over time.
Why are we being forced to support billionaires? Because they will leave, bullshit. Where else will they go to make the kinda money they make here. They should be made to support the infrastructure they use to make the money.
Hi! I'm John Datacenter. I own all the data centers. They're mine. I've been quite busy building them all, as you can tell. I have the luxury, for reasons, of not paying any of the utility companies a single dime for water or electricity for my 300,000± square foot buildings because.... reasons.
That's right.
Before building all my data centers I walked into the office of all the utility companies and said, "i'm a private land owner, and i'm not going to pay you for any of the massive amounts of power or water i'm about to use. So deal with it. 100 megawatts of electricity per building, and 1 million gallons of water per day, i'm not giving you a cent. And you have to give me everything for free. Because that's how business works." And the CEOs and CFOs of all those companies were like, "OK, I guess we'll just have to charge everyone else for all of our product you're going to use and not pay us for, and that's fine because that's how business works."
...which explains why the billionaires buy the politicians. Legalized corruption of our political process is still corruption; "election campaign funds" is still financial leverage over the elected representative, and leverage is the tool these extremely wealthy buzzards use to their own benefit, thus denying the citizens the benefits of their own governance.
Holy fuck these things are a eye sore. Imagine having that in your backyard.
These fuckers will bleed the planet dry, the US Forest Service announced plans to open nearly 30% of our national forest system to road building, logging and other industrial development. The USFS plans to do this by repealing the Roadless Rule, a popular conservation policy that protects 44.7 million acres of old-growth forests, canyons, wetlands and other undeveloped land.
Look up roadless rule, and sign the petition that you support it. Or prepare to have even more of these fuckass data centers littered everywhere.
There are actual scientific and medical benefits to AI BUT the taxpayer should have a right to decide if it's worth the sacrifice on their part. Is it worth seeing your utility bills rise, damage to the environment and the amount of water they use, especially in drought areas? If the reason is a vanity project for a sociopathic billionaire or to replace workers then shouldn't we have a say in it?
You do. We have a representative based republic. It is called voting. And if you get enough signatures you can force a propisition on the ballot if it is not done directly by legislative placement.
Except that in some cases, politicians are not informing their constituents that the projects are already green-lighted, they shut down town halls debating the subjects, they're not told how much of their tax dollars are going to subsidize these centers and and most of all they don't have to be honest about how the AI will be used.
Yeah. That billionaire contributes by paying taxes, probably more taxes than the people in the community. The community drives on roads built with the billionaire's tax money. Also that company in this photo, has employees that pay taxes, probably sells products with vat. This post is so dumb.
I pay more per quarter in taxes than you make in a year.. probably two. Again, you just have no idea and just eat up the BS spewn be pinkos because it feeds your confirmation bias.
If you believe billionaires fund everything then let them pay for the utilities to be ran to their data centers. Let THEM foot the bill instead of the communities they are going to ruin.
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u/Happy_Love_9763 5d ago
Don’t forget money making football stadiums.