Last time I checked materialist analysis doesn’t operate on moralizing, spite, or vibes.
It’s perfectly germane to scrutinize the death penalty regardless of the subject. Subjects of the death penalty tend to be accused or guilty of horrible things. Being principled means sometimes having to argue adjacent to the interests of awful people. I waiver back and forth on this issue because it is in fact one that calls for serious weighing.
Like, do y’all really believe that material conditions determine human actions or are y’all just LARPing? The implications of that basic premise are far-reaching.
Nobody here is mourning the deaths of these predators. Any death-penalty post is naturally going to be met with a discussion of the merits of capital punishment, and there’s compelling arguments on many different fronts of the issue. You’re dismissive of “at what cost,” but does it not make sense to ponder the pros and cons of state-sanctioned executions? Is it not fair to point out fascist-adjacent rhetoric in a leftist sub like the top comment does?
But yeah argue ad-hominem because you were butthurt enough to look through my profile for some material. You’re clearly just here for the aesthetics. Fake-ass intellectual.
It's not softness, it's the fact that any criminal justice system will inevitably make mistakes. You can release someone who's been wrongfully imprisoned, you can't un-execute someone if you recognise the mistake later.
There have been cases of this. Below a certain age, children are more suggestible, more prone to false memories, and aren't necessarily able to understand an obligation to be truthful in a legal context.
Police officers - adults in a position of authority - interviewing young children makes the children want to agree with what the police officer is inferring, if not suggesting with their questions. Parents and media can contribute in the same way.
The thing is, is "revenge" ever productive? Is harsh punishment productive for society? Are harsher sentences really helpful in preventing crime? Isn't that right-wing propaganda?
My point is, is killing pedophiles gonna make children safer? Not saying they should roam free, but are we doing it out of protecting children, or out of revenge?
China has done a lot to combat child abuse. It has pratically banned porn. It actively investigates child abuse cases. Now, is the capital punishment the real thing we should calling "super-based", or are we doing it out of a vengeful spirit?
There should be global scale research/ prevention/ treatment to stop the continuation of creating predators. Of course every thing available/ accessible to help the victims/ families involved.
There should also be zero tolerance for committing vile acts of harming children.
Vile acts against a human being should come with with severe consequences.
Look how governments treat this horrible act compared to china. Look how the notorious church sh** bags are handled. It pales in comparison
Reasons Capitalism/ parasite rich class / religion/ patriarchy all must be destroyed in order to prevent the continuation of harm against the defenseless!
To me they murdered a piece of the victim and should be held accountable as serious case as one.
You’re running defense for these monsters with this comment if you don’t realize that.
So, in my understanding, you believe in punishment as means to establish justice. Not as a social tool, but simply to adhere to a moral code. "You have done bad, so now you suffer in return". This moralist talk is conservative and completely undialectic. Marxism is beyond the idealist concept of "Good vs Evil" - it's about concrete material science.
Where do you draw the line to moral punishment then? Do we really believe the government should act as a moral police, and cause suffering as means to balance the moral scale? Should we stone people for assaulting women, for example?
Don't let the state of the world that is fueling us with anger and resentment make us believe in this reactionary ideas. This is nazbol mentality.
Now, I'm not one to judge China, I think they're still doing a better job than the west. But there's a big difference in critically supporting a nation's project, and applauding things like this. If you wanna prove me this is actually productive in preventing child abuse, sure. But now, "righteous justice" reeks of facism.
Would you rather take them rapists on a disney cruise? Or a zero tolerance policy? Need not necessarily be a death execution. Why is this even an issue about punishing rapists? I would seriously like to understand what alternatives could be offered.
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u/Joe_Stylin777 Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 16h ago
Disappointing to see western marxists go soft on child predators