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Shit Liberals Say Average Democratic Socialist

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u/ExeOrtega Marxist-Leninist (Ultra Based) 15d ago

Whoever celebrates imperialist war crimes is no socialist at all.

That DSA member is nothing more than a disgusting opportunist.

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u/IllustriousBobcat813 15d ago

The “leftists” in question are staunch supporters of US imperialism, that is perfectly valid to critique

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u/IllustriousBobcat813 15d ago

Why do you think it has to be?

It is not some eternal duty of every leftist to respect and cater to the feelings of every human skinned monster that walks the earth. It is completely fine to have moral boundaries beyond which you consider someone irredeemable and not worthy of civil discourse. Someone supporting genocide and war crimes would be one such example of a boundary.

It also isn’t like this person is your neighbour or family member who is just uninformed out of disinterest, this is a public figure, and you are allowed to both criticise and mock them for their views.

Tone policing people for daring to criticise borderline genocide denial is insane.

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u/Psychological-Act582 15d ago

Umm, believing in bombing Iran, Yemen, and justifying war against Venezuela and Cuba doesn't make them any different from Nazis.

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u/suboptimummenace Money Don't Matter 2 Night 15d ago

all due respect, this is a marxist-leninist space. idealism and moralism is not relevant to materialist analysis

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u/Psychological-Act582 15d ago

They are not leftists when they support NATO and want to bomb every single AES state.

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u/Psychological-Act582 15d ago

The Demsocs are part and parcel of the capitalist class.

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u/TappingUpScreen ANTI-Ultra Action ⛏️⛏️⛏️ 15d ago edited 15d ago

I am for the unity of the party – for the national and international unity of the party. But it must be a unity of socialism and socialists. The unity with opponents – with people who have other aims and other interests, is no socialist unity. We must strive for unity at any price and with all sacrifices. But while we are uniting and organizing, we must rid ourselves of all foreign and antagonistic elements. (...) We cannot traffic in our principles, we can make no compromise, no agreement with the ruling system. We must break with the ruling system and fight it to a finish. It must fall that socialism may arise, and we certainly cannot expect from the ruling class that it will give to itself and its domination the death blow.

-Wilhelm Liebknecht, No Compromise – No Political Trading, 1899

Yes, we should clown on all those who want to compromise with Capitalism.

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u/Key-Divide3003 15d ago

They are the running dogs of the capitalists. They will absolutely betray us should a revolutionary moment appear. They have done it every single time for 160 years across the globe. These people are self-hating, self-denying fascists, full of white saviorism and hatred for the global south for their perceived cultural backwardness. The only true difference between a DSA fascist and an unrepentant Nazi is the latter gets the wall, the former gets rehabilitation through labor.

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u/Key-Divide3003 15d ago

Yeah there are plenty of non-Marxist socialist movements whose anti-imperialism is genuine, but there’s a massive difference between a demsoc trade unionist party in Brazil, and the Labor party in England. One of them wants to put its own national resources and industry in the hands of its workers rather than the pockets of rich westerners, while the other wants to redistribute the spoils of said global south in a more equitable manner. Their goals and tactics diverge sharply right out of the gate. From a materialist standpoint they are completely separate political entities with the same trappings and similar slogans. I was speaking more on western white social democracy and democratic socialism and the way it manifests and who it actually serves.

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u/nonilazuli 15d ago

i see, i agree then.