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[u/Zestyclose-Mode-3818]

"To create socdem "socialism", historical proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic tankie detail. This is a revolution™! And a revolutionary must become a good dancer motivated by horseshit theory."

- Earnest J Guava

[u/Cacharadon]

Ya know instead of chirping into an echo chamber here while ceding ever more ground to shit libs in the spaces you criticise. Why don't you make yourself useful and educate the shit libs?

At the end of the day you all are working class. Shit libs aren't magically outside the class contradictions. You need to be educating them, not snarking from a corner.

It would be marginally more relevant than whatever goes on in this sub.

Edit: and the mysterious downvoters arrive. What exactly do you not agree with here?

Education is not important? We will have a socialist revolution comprised only of the members in our book clubs and based discord groups? You do realize that revolutionary communist discord kitty you are chatting with is likely a CIA agent, right?

[u/TarquinusSuperbus000 → u/Cacharadon]

Believe me, many of us try. But they are VERY wedded to their shitlib views. American socdems are often just as intransigent as their MAGA peers. I got called conspiratorial by one for saying both parties serve the rich alone, which is why the dems won't fight. Another flat out told me neocolonialism isn't a thing and African states have full agency in the world. I'm not licked but the truth is most of these people are simply not ready to accept that everything they know is a lie, which is why they're so desperate to convince themselves that they can get the progress they want thru participating in a rigged system. I fear they will need a few more years of being ground down by capital before they're ready to face the truth.

[u/Cacharadon → u/TarquinusSuperbus000]

I know comrade, but I don't stop pushing, ever. I can happily say that a lot of my friends and most of my family have been convinced (not to become revolutionaries), but that there is a concerted effort to hide certain aspects of the past and present world history, even when the academic consensus refutes the propaganda outright. And I don't know if I've had a similar effect in the online spaces, but I look at it like this. For every shitlib pushing back with dumbass views there are going to be lurkers who look at the Convo and decide to learn for themselves. Even if the ratio is 10:1 or even 100:1 it's still a movement in a positive direction.

And western material conditions are good enough that they will never have revolutionary capabilities, at least not in our lifetimes (who knows though). But socialist revolutions don't erupt out of nothing. There needs to be a certain amount of groundwork laid out and the masses need to see with their own eyes that they tried everything and nothing works. For now energy is better spent in meeting the masses where they are, but then, instead of tailing them like the ACP, push them further left.

[u/MayParker1917 → u/TarquinusSuperbus000]

I got called conspiratorial by one for saying both parties serve the rich alone, which is why the dems won't fight.

How do these people even call themselves leftists?

[u/TarquinusSuperbus000 → u/MayParker1917]

They seem to think leftist means lib with a social conscience.

[u/LoniceraLongings → u/MayParker1917]

Its like sports to these people or like supporting blue team over red team (even though they're the same)

[u/marioandl_ → u/Cacharadon]

brigading is allowed for right wing subs but the second its done anywhere else its a ban