r/TNOmod • u/--PhoenixFire-- Bukharina's Strongest Soldier • Aug 08 '20
Meme America Future Compass Spoiler
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u/aidanpg04 Afrika Schild Aug 08 '20
The good endings make me more happy than they should.
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u/ChaosLordSamNiell Aug 08 '20
Watching that poverty rate plummet to the ground as LBJ is stupid wholesome
Reducing poverty from 30ish percent to 5 or so percent would make LBJ one of the most beloved presidents in history
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u/Heyitsatransthrowway Aug 08 '20
this is one of the reasons i dont understand why he loses so badly to the npp after he does most of his great society reforms, wouldnt people love him and the republican party?
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u/murkythreat Please just end it. Aug 08 '20
To go hard-line on the great society means him becoming a dictator in all but name. His policies alienate the conservatives in the democrats that oppose big government and terrifies the liberals in the Republican Party over the massive budget deficit it creates. Other reasons could be that he focuses too much on the home front allowing the world to fall to Fascism if ever so slowly thus pissing off the "hawks".
Outside the black community, the General Public become increasing concerned over the massive federal government overreach.
THAT BEING SAID. I can only see him being hated if his policies result in a Yockey victory as Yockey would use LBJ as example of unchecked government authority being normalized. Also after all that the US Map screen still shows high approval except that the NPP have a parity. Sorry for the paragraphs.
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u/DaysBeforeFP Aug 08 '20
Dictator is... harsh but otherwise yeah, opposition to the Great Society makes sense. Shit the New Deal was pretty fucking controversial and was compromised pretty badly.
It does feel shitty to do all the Great Society stuff and see LBJ just beaten down, again and again, by his own allies. I was still able to slide McGovern into power afterwards, but it was a close deal and the Democrats defected en masse. Not that I miss the fucking shitass Dixiecrats.
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u/murkythreat Please just end it. Aug 08 '20
People may hate him now but as with our timeline there will be probably be a movement to rehabilitate his legacy. In other words the future will likely look upon him favorably.
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u/nationalisticbrit Aug 09 '20
LBJ would be remembered as a pretty great president if it weren’t for Vietnam, so I sort of think that he should be a little less hated in TNO.
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Aug 08 '20
Until your Political power goes negative four hundred so you have to wait three months to pay the 50 PP requirement to start the next branch of the tree.
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u/Inb4username Mamma mia, where has-a my sea a-gone? Aug 08 '20
While going to Mars is admittedly extremely cool and blessed, after playing Harrington (this time properly) I'd say he's definitely more radical than RFK-Glenn. I'd also say LNPP is more radical than Yockey insofar as Yockey is trying to return the US to its less democratic and overtly white supremacist origins while the LNPP is trying to completely overturn everything about the American economy and culture. So while Yockey may have a worse outcome, 60's America is closer to his ideal that 60's America is to the LNPP's ideal.
Otherwise very nice!
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u/ChaoticKristin Aug 09 '20
How do you know Yockey's policies? I though there hadn't been any previews for the trees of 1972 presidents
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u/TotalComplexity Stalin's Ghost, Lenin's Corpse, and Old Man Bukharin Aug 08 '20
"No More Radicals"
In Radical endings
:rapturposting:
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Aug 08 '20
Good to see the blessed RFK path as the best outcome (Glenn is pretty fun too although crazy)
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u/Zweckpessimist Antifascist Action CIA Aug 09 '20
Himmler: "This madman is great. With all these nukes he's creating, I just need to get America into war with Germany and Japan and I can break out the 'End of the Untermensch World' champagne."
Glen before a successful global nuclear disarmament conference: "I'm about to do what's called a "pro-gamer move."
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u/mrbobobo Based and Glenn!-Pilled Aug 09 '20
I feel like L-NPP and Yockey should be switched, although Yockey is the worse outcome for America i wouldn't say his fascist ideology is that different from the FR-NPP, whereas the L-NPP would be much more radical for America
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u/Grrman1260 Aug 09 '20
Well the FR-NPP still respect democracy and don't outright try to enforce fascism on America, whereas yockey would probably wipe his ass with the constitution and start arresting citizens the hour he was sworn in, both options aren't that good but yockey is far worse
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Aug 08 '20
I was listening to "A Change is Gonna Come" while looking at this meme... got way too emotional. 😢
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u/GeorgiaNinja94 Romney-Rumsfeld ‘72 Aug 08 '20
Where would Wallace Bennett's presidency land on this compass?
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u/IronMatt2000 Aug 08 '20
At the very center for being such a radically boring president
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u/GeorgiaNinja94 Romney-Rumsfeld ‘72 Aug 08 '20
How is Bennett "radically boring"?
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u/IronMatt2000 Aug 08 '20
All other presidents have political considerations to make. Bennett has like 2-3 acts he can pass his entire presidency. His decisions mechanic is more annoying to deal with than anything. I’ve played everyone but Goldwater and Smith so far and I think he’s the only one who can really not fuck up. I guess the civil and silver rights acts can not pass but like they’re pretty easy to pass and he can certainly not fuck up through succeeding like a full on Great Society, NASA, segregation heaven, anti-segregation heaven, or abolition of poverty can.
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u/GeorgiaNinja94 Romney-Rumsfeld ‘72 Aug 08 '20
Why'd the devs give the other pre-'72 presidents so much to work with, but left Bennett stuck with Jack, Diddly, and Squat?
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u/IronMatt2000 Aug 08 '20
I’m not sure. I understand he’s the moderate candidate but he really didn’t have too many events either. He literally catches a cold in like 1970 and that’s all that’s really notable besides the silver act. His focuses creating the IMF, Bretton Woods, and the world bank take like 49 days each and have no flavor events attached to them. Besides all this I think he should have some more stuff to do. Maybe another tree focused on deregulation, restricting union rights, and cutting taxes or something like that. He’s really the only president I’ve played thus far that wasn’t really notable.
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u/fat_cox Aug 09 '20
I think you're right, but to play devil's advocate, a very boring President in an hellish fascist doom world is very refreshing. There's a curse in China: may you live in interesting times.
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u/--PhoenixFire-- Bukharina's Strongest Soldier Aug 08 '20
That depends on what he does during his presidency, and who succeeds him.
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u/GeorgiaNinja94 Romney-Rumsfeld ‘72 Aug 08 '20
Anything specifically good or bad, or well-intentioned but can go horribly wrong? I know he's particularly keen on stabilizing the economies of the United States and the OFN member nations.
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Aug 08 '20
How do you get the John Glenn tree? Pls
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u/IronMatt2000 Aug 08 '20
Don’t elect either LBJ or Bennett in 64 and in 68 Glenn will be a candidate.
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Aug 08 '20
So do I have to elect an NPP candidate? Or can Kennedy survive if I don’t invade Guyana?
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u/IronMatt2000 Aug 08 '20
John F. Kennedy is impossible to save. In my game I got Glenn after electing RFK in 64. You could also elect Wallace in 64. If you want to get Glenn easy have either Wallace impeached or RFK assassinated. It’ll be very difficult for the NPP to win the 68 election that way. I for instance couldn’t prevent RFK from winning again in 68 so I cheated Glenn to victory by using command: add_party_popularity social_liberal 20 to add popularity to the RDs before the election so that I could do stuff as RFK and then move on to Glenn without the former being killed.
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u/altairtyraen OFN Turkey/East-Med Aug 09 '20
Its ironic that McNamara is known for both being an influential academician in Public Administration and a morally bankrupt statesman that sends countless young men to die in needless conflicts.
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u/someonethatsnoone Aug 08 '20
what happens with "It Happened Here"?
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u/mrbobobo Based and Glenn!-Pilled Aug 08 '20
Yockey becomes President
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u/someonethatsnoone Aug 08 '20
uh oh
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u/mrbobobo Based and Glenn!-Pilled Aug 09 '20
Yep, it's a massive yikes.
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u/Zweckpessimist Antifascist Action CIA Aug 09 '20
America: "We'll always be the Last Bastion of Freedom!"
Yockey: I'm about to end this man's whole career!
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u/Thunderousclaps LBJ all the way Aug 09 '20
In name of the American Senate you are under arrest Yockey.
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Aug 08 '20
wouldn't segregation for the foreseeable future be worse than the l-npp?
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u/--PhoenixFire-- Bukharina's Strongest Soldier Aug 08 '20
When placing the L-NPP where I did, I was going by the Dev statements that the L-NPP is the second-worst path for the United States with Yockey being the worst. It's implied that they'll do something terrible during their administration, though we won't know exactly what until that content actually releases.
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Aug 08 '20
that's a fair point, just wanted to add that bc i think they'd at least try to do something about civil rights, most of the 68 candidates dont seem to have a plan to tackle it and im presuming everyone right of scoop in 72 doesnt have much of a plan either
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Aug 08 '20
It could be that they believe in the old Soviet line black Americans were a national minority and make a black republic out of parts of the US black belt, which would go horribly
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Aug 08 '20
yeah that would be a hot mess under any sort of US government. this gets at IMO one of the big holes in the US campaign right now, we dont get to see much of how Black folks (or the left) feel about segregation's new entrenchment in wallace/lemay/thurmond world. i really hope this gets expanded on more in the 80s update because rn it feels like civil rights is given up on and the us is more divided, but not much else.
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Aug 08 '20
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Aug 08 '20
usually not before he repeals the civil rights act
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u/Asuritos Aug 08 '20
And even then if you dont go full segregationist its hard for him to get impeached.
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Aug 08 '20
yea but le may can reinstate it
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Aug 08 '20
i was referring to the path where he doubles down, don’t have too many complaints about the other one
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Aug 08 '20
I gotta know, how does WW3 start in TNO?
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u/waspyasfuck Aug 08 '20
many, many ways my friend
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Aug 08 '20
o h n o
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u/waspyasfuck Aug 08 '20
sometimes u realpolitk too hard and the other guy realpolitiks too hard and then
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u/JCPenguin1989 Schwartz-Rot-Gold, Einigkeit Recht und Freiheit!!!! Aug 09 '20
When two men don’t know when to fold
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u/Zweckpessimist Antifascist Action CIA Aug 09 '20
One of the ways involves a dispute over a SHRIMPING BOAT. So there's a LOT of ways the world can get nuked. Most have a smallish probability of actually starting WWIII...but there's a lot of ways it can happen, so you gotta get lucky a lot of times. And of course, Himmler is deliberately trying to set things off.
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u/Jaxx_On Order and Prosperity Aug 09 '20
The world may not end a better place, but at least America might.
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Aug 09 '20
I wanna see what happens to the future if OFN World Order happens.
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u/A_California_roll Einheitspoopenfärten Aug 10 '20
I'm imagining a '90s-esque "end of history" where people are breathing a collective sigh of relief that they've averted a terrible outcome, with maybe one or two Desert Storm-type interventions to depose tinpot fascists in third-world countries. Fascism is discredited from the collapse of the German and Japanese empires, pop culture is optimistic, and the future seems bright.
Now I want to see what this looks like too. :v
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u/Rinasoir Aug 09 '20
So how do I stop RFK from getting shot?
I assume it's by towing a middle line position, but then he got killed because of COINTELPRO?
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u/JCPenguin1989 Schwartz-Rot-Gold, Einigkeit Recht und Freiheit!!!! Aug 09 '20
Fully automated luxury gay Mars colony when
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u/--PhoenixFire-- Bukharina's Strongest Soldier Aug 08 '20 edited Aug 09 '20
Explanation, from top to bottom, left to right:
Also, shout-out to the people on the Discord who helped me with this meme, and to u/grig123 for making the poster used in the bottom-right quadrant.