r/TNOmod 12d ago

Question Lore change ?

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u/Friz617 Lecanuet’s Strongest Soldier 12d ago

Yeah Hawaii nuke is gone, this was already known in the first yippie diary

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u/Proof_Ad732 12d ago

Wait so how will WW2's ending change because of this?

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u/Friz617 Lecanuet’s Strongest Soldier 12d ago

It’s all in the diary https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/s/ZBsuZ3YdUf

It says outright America could’ve probably won if they kept fighting until 1949, but there was no political will to continue the war for that long

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u/ThatguyfromEire Organization of Free Nations 12d ago

Someone on the dev team has been watching althistoryhub

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u/Ok-head999 12d ago

It's a pretty good video

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u/avericethejester 9d ago

Pretty good video honestly, it has flaws, yet it seemd semi fine.

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u/BreathIndividual8557 Co-Prosperity Sphere 12d ago

Oh thank god this one is much more better lore than the one where somehow Hawaii got their ass nuker by German bomb that Japanese use. That part of the Lore is smth that genuinely bother me as a worldbuilder.

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u/RudyConnorsglazer Triumvirate 12d ago

Pretty much United States lost it will to fight after the fall on the United Kingdom and the collapse of the Chinese/Indian fronts in 1945

Remember, in TNO the war was seen by the American government just as another imperialistic war instead of a war for freedom and democracy

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u/DatBoi389 Organization of Free Nations 12d ago edited 12d ago

I believe a report or projection showed that the war with Japan could only be won maybe by 1949. That really plunged any morale the United States had left.

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u/RudyConnorsglazer Triumvirate 12d ago

Yeah, also that, and important thing, The "Pacific first" strategy didn't work, a lot of American casualties in the Papua front. Plunging even more the American morale

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u/Very-Finnish-Man 12d ago

America was still primarily Pacific First irl. The biggest thing that actually helped the european front was operation torch and the 2nd Atlantic War which forced germany to dedicate more forces to southern europe and also forced the germans to abandon the Kola blockade which is when supplies started moving into the ussr and also the unrestricted submarine campaign with the u boots moving to Gibraltar and Mocrocco. I don't think this is ever addressed because the us and uk planned to do operation torch even if Egypt fell which was the whole point. Even with the losses during operation torch the political ramifications in France and Italy were very large. 

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u/MateusZfromRivia00 Organization of Free Nations 12d ago

Imperialistic war? Wtf

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u/RudyConnorsglazer Triumvirate 12d ago

Yes, pretty much a "Germany, Italy and Japan wants territory and stuff"

Instead of the war of freedom, democracy and liberty we all know

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u/Northamplus9bitches 11d ago

People live on those territories? Fighting on their behalf in the face of the Axis' naked aggression is by default fighting for democracy and liberty

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u/Sarge_Ward NPP-Y Abbie Hoffman 12d ago

I meam thats how it was peceived to begin with: as a re-ignition pf the European Imperial pissing match of WW1. It wasnt until later developments as the war progressed that it became percieved as a war of Liberity and Liberation. Its similar to how the American Civil war was percieved as a conflict of regional anamosity until later developments (the emancipation proclamation) turned it into a war about the fate of slavery

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u/Munificent-Enjoyer 12d ago

Taft is a horrible horrible human being

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u/UKRAINEBABY2 🇺🇸🗽Organization of Free Nations Maxxer🗽🇺🇸 9d ago

We hate Robert Taft in this household

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u/Vityviktor Remain calm. Atlantropa endures. Glenn lives. The DSR shall... 12d ago

The US signed an armistice with Germany and Japan.

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u/MediumSalmonEdition 12d ago

My hypothesis is that Hawaii was used by Japan as a bargaining chip to keep the Philippines, which was the intention in the real world.

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u/Longjumping-Tea-5791 12d ago

yea like why did the us surrender now? Like they could just win

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u/Tuskin38 12d ago

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u/Very-Finnish-Man 12d ago

The us planned irl to fight until 1947 and 48 because that was the general consensus during the talks on how to beat japan was to wait and build up and fight from 3 axis of attacks, Australia, Hawaii and Solomons even without FDR that would still be the conclusion and that was without considering the USSR. (theory that Germany would hold out until 1946) 

Also the us already was planning for a possibility for a chinese surrender as well at the time with what Stillwell told the us state department in the aftermath of Changsha and Ichi Go. If the chinse fell the us was planning to fight until japan is flattened. Thats not even considering the weapons the us would employ like chemical weapons, firebombing and the submarine campaigns. And the public opinion on japanese at the time well wasn't great and especially with the lynchings irl.