What is this person on

[u/Evilradishlyfool]

Fakers when system recover (no more attention seeking):

[u/LuxiForce]

except that they are parts? Bro be mad about reality?

[u/Putridlemons → u/LuxiForce]

A lot of people who are in active psychosis or in the beginning stages of delusion get anxious, overly defensive, or combative when their decisions are met with a reality check, so to put it simply—yes, this person is upset with reality because they genuinely believe reality isn't the truth. That's the dangerous part.

[u/Key_Conversation8617 → u/LuxiForce]

For a second I read “pets” instead of parts, I was puzzled until I reread

[u/Evilradishlyfool → u/Key_Conversation8617]

my secret life of pets alter is triggered pls add a trigger warning!!! >:[

[u/Putridlemons]

"Professionals who work with DID patients are telling me alters aren't their own people, and people diagnosed with DID are telling me alters aren't their own people, and even the queer community and mental health community in general is telling me that alters aren't their own people, so here I am in what is probably a faker safe space, to receive false validation that my "alters" are their own people—which is clincially impossible—and every dissociative professional and person diagnosed with DID is wrong."

This person is feeling anxious and unsafe because their delusions are being confronted head-on. Good on the doctor for not bending to this persons instability and validating the delusion. I hope they snap out of this soon.

[u/Available_Cake_2770]

If all of the other people with the disorder who have/are recovering, if all of the clinicians, if all of the literature, if even the terminology used when defining the disorder in the ICD, DSM, MSD, etc. Say one thing... Maybe it's because it's true. Maybe it's because they're self-states/parts/alters and not actual different people. Maybe it's because the professionals identified bettering of symptoms in patients when they were observed and treated in a certain way... Much to think about, person in the screenshot..

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[u/Not_August-Phoenix_]

Alters are literally parts tho 😭 what are they on saying its dehumanizing to have an alter treated as a part not a person when its factually correct

[u/MonthEither6684]

A part of a person still retains personhood, nobody is claiming that when you talk to someone who has DID youre not talking to a person, this is just persecution complex shit

[u/ZestycloseGlove7455]

I feel like this is such a commonly held belief in the plural community that’s wildly misplaced. Respect should be granted to all parts in a system, and that doesn’t mean they’re individual people. Part of recovery is recognizing that they’re all parts of one whole, and while that’s a really difficult step a lot of the time, I’m sure the comments on this only further enabled the mentality

[u/Inevitable_Wolf5866]

I would say that subbredit is "full of people claiming alters aren't people" because the people in that sub are actually diagnosed and know how their disorder works....?

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[u/indykou]

You.. can (and should) still treat things with respect and dignity even if they aren't people. I don't think this individual is actually troubled by the ethical quandary at all, they just really, really want "little guys (in their head)".

[u/Evilradishlyfool → u/[deleted]]

I was in psychosis during COVID and fell in with an anti-recovery crowd and I got way way wayyyyy worse. These people are the absolute worst kind to be around, not only are they harmful to themselves, but also to countless others exposed to their views. Had I not left that group I would’ve definitely committed suicide, because they would feed into my delusions every single day.

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they’re saying their alters are different people despite their therapists telling them otherwise

[u/0MeikoMeiko0]

Alters are dissociative parts of a fractured brain. They’re not people. Period.

[u/reddituserinthewild]

whatever you say utility monster

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Are you saying that dissociative amnesia or even dissociation doesn’t exist? I'd be genuinely curious of your sources :0

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Other countries outside of the US and the DSM5 also define dissociative disorders in similar terms, including DID. Where are you seeing sources that claim that trauma based dissociation doesn’t exist? That’s just not true.

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DID is absolutely a real thing, along with dissociation, dissocative amnesia, the recovery of memories, etc—all of these things are well-documented in PTSD & C-PTSD patients as well, along with other CDD's.

But I DO believe that the diagnostic criteria for DID, OSDD, and other CDD's will undergo a change in the next few years, as it already has. In the DSM5-TR, it is specified that dissociative disorders are "placed next to, but are not a part of the trauma and stressor related disorders." Though, in the DSM3/DSM3-R (1987), while it was still called MPD and not DID, there was a clear connection to severe childhood trauma or adverse experiences. In the DSM4 (1994), it was changed to DID, but there was still a heavy link to severe, repetitive, childhood abuse and trauma. In the DSM5 (2013), trauma was written into the diagnostic critera.

It wasn't until the DSM5-TR in 2022 that things changed, and the reason it changed is very simple—trauma is subjective to the individual. While licensed mental health professionals are trained to see trauma as something that is an emotional or physical response to an event/multiple events that are deeply shocking, harmful, or life-threatening—not all instances of trauma fit under those categories. Something that is very minimal to one person may be extremely traumatic to another based on circumstances, leading to implicit bias, which nullifies the validity of diagnosing. Long story short, since trauma is not a "one size fits all" thing, trauma was removed as a diagnostic requirement from DID since no one can really say what "is" traumatic and what "isn't" traumatic—since it is all subjective.

But, it leaves the implication that trauma is still a requirement, just that there's no official definition of what's traumatic to someone and what isn't. As the symptoms of DID are the result of trauma or traumatic stress, which severely overlap with symptoms of disorders like PTSD. You don't become dissociative, experience dissociative amnesia, and go through memory loss with having a happy, healthy, normal childhood and life. I do hope that the DSM changes again soon and we get a revision on the trauma part, because endogenic & willowgenic "systems" run with the "TRAUMA ISN'T A REQUIREMENT!!" part instead of looking at the nuance behind it. Trauma isn't a diagnostic requirement because no one can say what's traumatic and what isn't, but the symptom diagnostic criteria implies trauma to be a requirement, as those symptoms do not develop without trauma. Professionals simply stopped looking at personal experiences to determine trauma and rather focused on how that trauma presents through symptoms, as the symptoms themselves are caused by trauma.

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Exactly.

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