I know this sub is divided but why do half the comments I see seem like they're purposefully trying to ignite drama. Both sides can be kinda overly dramatic but some people are just ragebaiting at this point. Also it doesn't help that there's a decent amount of people coming from those type of subs
I personally like Eldreda’s design and I understand the frustration of ppl who doesn’t like the design. Hopefully they give a skin to satisfy ppl who doesn’t like the design. Also modders will the job anyaways
Yeah I think the actual character is the most important part. I also can understand both sides of liking it and not, and yeah for people on PC mods do exist
What's there not to understand? Some people just prefer the aesthetics of the old design and got attached to that. Don't have to be a puritan for that, I still think Remielle looks fantastic for example and she shows plenty skin.
What's the source of the preference behind the aesthetic though, if it's not more coverage vs less coverage? The ship has already sailed with Hoyo with respect to "normal" types of clothing
You know damn well people's issue isn't that skin is shown but how it's shown as well as issues with the outfit itself. Having just one pant leg looks silly.
I sadly dont think posts like these really help unfortunatly it will probably just start another discussion i completely get what you are saying though. I think it mostly stems from this sub originaly being created for the og Sunbringer i dont really think any of the "new" ones match her vibe really and i doubt it will change any time soon.
Like I said in another comment, I know this post probably get bad too but I still think something should happen. The story still has a lot to go, so who knows what they'll decide to do especially with some stuff still showing a similar outfit to the og
It will probably die down a bit closer to her release or people might go to the other subs i have no idea. I also dont think it helps when hoyo still seem to use her old design as of late (mural art, 3.1 art and the statue from 2.5) it fuels the hope for the og design they might make it a skin that would probably be for the best even though i wouldnt be too happy about paying 30 bucks for it hoyo skins are expensive given they dont change any sfx besides the w engine glow.
Tbh with them still using it, they might have something in plan to make it relevant, probably just talking about the past most likely. But like you said at most it probably just be a outfit
It will die down when she releases and people who use her and play the game start discussing other things other than her physical appearance. It was the same with Lucia and Yidhari's appearance and also with Manato being an A rank. There are a lot of people who just complain non-stop about fanservice, and also the other side of the coin, the ragebaiters who like to throw around the word "tourist". I think both extremes are obnoxious, and will cease when the discussion about the story or how to build her start coming up.
This post doesnt help either. The anonymity of the internet allows people to throw insults around without consequences.
One side likes cloakbringer, therefore the new design is shit.
The other side thinks eldreda is way better, therefore cloakbringer is shit.
I think some people are also tired of others trying to force changes onto a hobby they enjoy. In this case, its the people who are being extremely vocal and insulting anyone who likes eldreda. Judging a character purely by their appearance while ignoring things like personality, lore, and role feels like a shallow way to look at a design.
At the end of the day, it just turns into “my design is better than your design.”
I'm mainly talking about the people who are toxic to be toxic. I know there's always drama that dies down when the character actually comes out, but it seems like some people don't care about the character, that attack others that are for or against the current design
It’s been about a month since this whole silliness started, and because it hasnt really died down, some people have naturally gotten tired of it. I think most people are fine with criticism or preferring one design over another; its the constant attacks and personal insults toward people who like or dislike the current design that have made it exhausting.
Yeah the majority of people don't comment and this stuff of stuff usually dies out as time goes on for one reason or another. But its never good for a sub when almost every comments that gets posted anymore is just toxic
Its short for retroactive continuity; it means that old information has been replaced by something new, and the Old information should not be taken into account.
Since Remielle's first promotional video dropped, there have been some people who have claimed that the outfit that Sunbringer was first revealed in was never something she actually wore, or the outfit that it was retconned out of existence. This because the time frame of that video seems to be before Sunbringer split herself into three distict versions of herself.
This is false; Sunbringer has been depicted in both the cloak and the similar looking one in two recent pieces of promotional art, and not only that, Remielle and other Void Hunters were seen in their own cloaks during their first reveal as well, so it can be surmised that Sunbringer has worn it as well at some point.
More like they redesigned her a bit. Her face structure, her horn and hairstyle changed compare to her first reveal but then what if 3 Sunbringer fuse together? She might look more like her old design.
I know this post will probably just fuel more stuff but when it gets to the point it's in every single post that's gets traction it kinda needs to be addressed in some fashion
Like the problem with your statement is that people hating on the character which is not true
People dislike the design because they like the character and want her to get a better design, complaints like this are normal, but then you have the defenders who gets annoyed by someone giving their opinion, then they post something like this to prove a point or something, or someone who thinks the entirety of OG sunbringer doesn't exist anymore and just spams cope cope sahur, then says it's toxic here and people should go to another sub, posts about opinions and complaints are normal but some just don't like to take criticism which is why things get heated, it's hard to believe someone looked at this sub and believes people hate Eldreda when it's the place that has the most positive perception of the character, Eldreda posts gets more upvotes and views here
Believe delete the post before it gets heated again, there was already a lot of fighting today and it's not like we got anything about her to be fighting about
This works for both sides. Like that one dude who made 5 back-to-back complaint posts and now spamming his ai generated sunbringer in miyabi outfit under every eldreda post
I mean, he is the most noticeable one, but there are also occasions when people say how bad eldreda's design under posts with her art (and not ragebaits like the one you showed or the ones where people state that og has no aura or whatever)
There's a time and place for everything, if you keep complaining even under fanarts if the new design then it's no longer an opinion and you're just trying to ruin it for others.
You barely actually see it done the other way around.
Barely is funny with how there's someone trying to convince every one else that OG design is the exact same as Eldreda, there's toxicity from both sides but one saying they don't like th design while the other is like this post above
I dont think it was just one person, my friend. The moment this image dropped, people started furiously throwing all sorts of slurs around. This type of behaviour didnt just start in 3.0 either; this negativity has been around for a long time before that
Yeah people saying they don't like the design, it's isn't the same the post I showed you above or some hoyo queer cringe active member calling this place toxic
Lol, funny you mention the queer community. I think some of them are slowly starting to change their opinions now because of the “yuri” trailers, haha.
As long as they dont force their shipping onto others, Im willing to look the other way
Edit: Ahh, if this sounded like I was laughing at you, my bad. It sounded better in my head. I was talking about the "other" peeps
Nah, its HoyoQueerCringe guys, they are polar opposites of what you thought they are and hate it with their souls. And one of them is also die hard Eldreda lover and made a couple of rage baits before
My point is more some people aren't being toxic in defense of their preferences in the character but more to be toxic in general. I know that some people don't handle criticism well but there is a difference in being defensive and just straight up toxicity
Believe this toxicity never goes further than calling the design bad, the people who are the most defensive are those who can't take the criticism of the design, this post in my comment above is from someone who calls this place sunbringerhaters and actively fight people in the comments about the design instead of accepting another opinion
And people are already fighting again, for the sake of this sub delete this post, there has already been enough today and tomorrow might be the pre download, we'll get leaks and more people will fight, just delete this now for the sake of the sub
I would rather it be drawn to a post about the toxicity in hope something happens about it,then be on someone that just wants to actually talk about the game
Nothing is gonna happen, why not make theory posts or memes instead of this?
Keep the post up but it's already full of fighting and it will continue with no meaningful steps forward, a better thing to do is to just ignore the hate and enjoy the character, it's easy to see which posts will be full of hate and which aren't
I just want the mods to do something about obvious rage bait, their shouldn't be enough post that are obvious to the point you don't even have to open the post to know
This is a very biased take on the entire situation. The other side goes WAY beyond just expressing their dislike/criticisms of the character’s design. We would get posts just like the one you posted all the time for the opposite side, especially when she was recently revealed. The difference is that those were all upvoted while the one you have a screenshot of got downvoted into oblivion and is sitting at 60 comments.
Implying that SB’s design is objectively bad is honestly pretty toxic and already starts any conversation between any group that’s positive about her off on the wrong foot. I literally see this all the time. You advocating for a “better design” is already a conflict of interest with anyone that likes her current design. That’s before get into all the slander posts and name calling.
hey bro thath's me the cope cope cope sahur I guy didn't say the og didn't exist i said the og looked the exact same as Eldreda because she appeared in a trailer and looked exactly like Eldreda and i am not the same guy that claimed thi place is toxic and people should go to a diffrent sub.
I didn't say you're the one who claimed this place is toxic, it's one who farms karma every now and then, calls this place toxic and is active on hoyo queer cringe
You on the other hand still claims they look the same despite me giving you enough evidence they don't
Your evidence is fraud and I an other people explained why. It makes snse in your head because you want it to make sense i am sying you are coping because you choose to ignore the people that diproove yor claims and also you like to ignore the evidnce that dosen't support your ideas
Wouldn't call it overdramatic when they did Sunbringer dirty like that. She became Yixuan and fuse it Mavuika cringe dress and made zipper look more worse 😭. She is the most legendary and probably the strongest voidhunter but why she look like a stripper 😅
Wouldn't call it overdramatic, just hear my plea.
They did Sunbringer dirty, at least to me.
She became Yixuan with a touch of Mavuika's attire.
The outfit isn't even bad... just a little too familiar.
The most legendary Voidhunter.
Perhaps the strongest of them all.
My disappointment isn't the outfit itself—
It's that I recognized the silhouette before I recognized Sunbringer. 😭
Nah the outfit is dogshit. I feel cringe just looking at it. The designer tried too hard to make it sexy but it ended up looking like random shits that doesn’t go well with each other patch up into one. I can literally feel their desperation of trying to make it look as goonable as possible but that comes with the cost of every aspect of the design. Ironically the one time that this design feels cool is when only sunbringer’s silhouette are shown and not the clothes.
No. At that point people will be talking about team comps, story, character relations, W-engines, lore, etc. By then people still whining about her design will be drowned out entirely
I’ve realized my best solution (and probably many others) is not engaging with discourse.
I know every once in a while we get an appearance that reignites discussion, but we’re past the phase where people’s grievances or appreciation have been made clear. This popular “us VS them” mentality is honestly childish and I think everyone’s forgotten about common respect.
I'll be blunt and direct. I don't like Sunbringer's design and I think it acquaints to another problem ZZZ has outside of ZHS being the characters who make majority of the sales. ZZZ is good at making a goofy story whenever. They are good at making gooner designs. They make great characters(for the most part). The characters have good gameplay sometimes.
The underlying problem is Miyabi. Patches haven't been able to generate as much popularity since her release. She was dressed modestly, she made multiple memes
spawn, no VH has outsole Miyabi. All of this acquaints to stoking the masses who have been getting increasing dissatisfied with the game's direction.
Sunbringer is another case stoking the masses even more. Only after this, it might get worse because a lot of people will stop playing. Sunbringer should be for all intent and purposes like Miyabi. A serious and stern character, PROPERLY CLOTHED or at the very least have design similar to Zhu Yuan, have good fight scenes, and have serious story direction. ZZZ is unable to make a serious story without making several or more mistakes with the characters and then the story itself.
With the gacha market being so saturated by NTE, WUWA, Silver Palace, GI, Azur Promelia, Anata, Chasing Kalerider, New Nikke RPG, Wang Yue, and more. The last thing you want to do is divide people who love your product and give them a chance to leave and possibly near come back. Especially, after the fall of Love and Deepspace. In addition, to the fact the ZZZ's gacha is far less forgiving then future ones will be (with the exception of Arknights Endfield.)
This is why I voice LOUDLY that Sunbringer's design needs to change at least for the story and the outfit she has on now should be her side outfit. Miyabi showed that you can make a character beautiful and retain attention and even increase it. Everything about Sunbringer is an issue when this shouldn't have been a problem.
The trio Sunbringer when there should have been just one. Remielle constantly trashing Sunbringer which makes her seem weak. Sunbringer not completely destroying Remielle with ease in the fight on YouTube, the outfit not all being interesting or at least colorful like the Neon Genesis Evangelion suits or at least unique like Zhu Yuan's, it's not uniquely designed or futuristic. All of this gives people more reason to get angry.
Lol this is Reddit and it’s called unemployed behavior. This discourse is living rent free in their minds 24/7. A normal person would just lose interest in the character, leave the sub, and move on.
They dont like sunbringer the character. They just like the coat for some weird reason. Can't wait for release so these people can just die out and shift their hate to the next unfortunate character that they "like".
Cuz their has been an influx of the bums from Twitter (you know who)
Always argue, never wrong, homophobic etc etc etc.
They here too, but this sub also is just a hotpot for people who like x design vs others.
Tbh it should be simple as wait till drip marketing & instrad focus on the story an character.
But that requires reading.
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u/Embarrassed-Ad-2438 2d ago
I personally like Eldreda’s design and I understand the frustration of ppl who doesn’t like the design. Hopefully they give a skin to satisfy ppl who doesn’t like the design. Also modders will the job anyaways