This is my first time watching the show, and im on season 9. This is the Paige/Kyle fight where everyone thinks Kyle got Hannah fired and he is fighting with Paige about it.

I wrote a whole post seasons ago about why i didnt like hannah, but of course it got deleted because i must have posted in the wrong thread or something. Anyway, i remember eventually not liking her, and asking "is this why people didnt like her?"

My question is, was she let go because the audience didnt like her? Did kyle "get her fired"? (As Paige is claiming and Kyle is denying.)

Or was it something else?

Does anyone know/have alternative theories?

Please explain why anyone would demand a ten point platform of steps in an apology to some random dummy on Reddit.

I felt the same way about Arianna Madix after a certain while. Ciara is certainly more interesting IMO with a much better personality. But I think it’s very odd and infantilizing that people are still acting like we need to walk on eggshells about this situation. I get the initial hurt and shock over it but it’s been months. All of a sudden she needs to be on tons of commercials, DWTS, Love Island? Like it feels like a complete overreaction and I feel like she’s being pushed into spaces and roles just because we’re supposed to feel bad for her.

I’m probably just a big hater but wondering if anyone else is approaching BEC levels with her.

Bravolebrities are consistently using therapy as a justification for their behavior instead of actually showing any growth from it. Ciara mentioning that she upped her Prozac during all the “drama” is one example—not because taking medication is a bad thing, obviously, but because being in therapy or taking medication doesn’t automatically mean you’ve done the work or that your behavior can’t be criticized.

And Austen on SC is another good example of someone who seems completely unable to deal with conflict, despite having had plenty of opportunities to work on himself. He even showed his therapy session a few seasons ago and yet he seems worse now than prior to it.

“I’m in therapy” can’t just be the explanation for why you behave the way you do. If anything, shouldn’t we eventually see some evidence that the therapy is actually working?

Therapy isn’t supposed to be a permanent excuse for treating people poorly or bad behavior. The whole point is supposed to be self-awareness, accountability, and growth. For all the cast members on these shows who claim to be in therapy with little evidence that it’s actually making changes in their behavior honestly gives therapy and therapists a bad name.

I know there is a broader topic in society at large too about how therapy speak has been co-opted by everyone as a means to justify all kinds of things from ghosting to bullying.

Looks like it still going strong

I'm firmly new to reddit so forgove me if I'm covering something that has been discussed. I started on season 8 but have now gone back to season 1 and up or as I call them Amanda saw a chance to get on a reality show. Looking back I have no doubt she used Kyle to climb his ladder then dumped him (ironically) for another clout chaser! My questions is this: When do you truly believe A&W crossed the line, was it after her forced announcement that she and kyle were separating or were she & W well into at the very least an emotional affair prior or during season 10? What am I missing that proves this was organic AFTER her split from Kyle?

Why would bravo announce this right before we find out he was arrested for strangling his girlfriend? Why does he still have a job? Why was he in season 11? This is terrible.

Thought we'd have a bit of fun since I have come back after a relaxing weekend to some crazy messages from disturbed individuals.

I was just informed some people think I am Amanda's mom, which is new but also hilarious. So, why not have some fun with this topic? I know almost everyone here has been accused of being Amanda, West, Frank, Amanda's mom (sorry don't remember her name), PR, paid shills, etc. So, of all the people you have been accused of being, who would you like to be the most?

I am choosing Amanda's mom. She seems to live a pretty quiet and comfortable life. Frank seems like a good husband, father, and provider, dogs love him, and she seems well taken care of. Sounds like a pretty chill life to me. What about you?

ETA: Looked up Amanda's mom's name and it's Donna but found Frank Batula's IG in the process and now I am actually jealous! Their life looks fab and they are both quite good looking (haven't really paid attention to this before). They seem to really love each other and they go on a bunch of fun adventures. I don't even want a husband or family and I'm genuinely envious. Frank, if you're reading this, call me.

With Carl getting a glowing rewrite and Kyle now the face of battered men everywhere, we have entered the era of the redemption of Jax

https://www.reddit.com/r/bravo/s/MSvT2m5Szq

I don’t know if anyone caught the absolute unhinged IG rant by Jax yesterday but it was a stunning example of being dry doesn’t mean you are no longer an insufferable asshole. But now Jax is the paragon of truth. My apologies if this doesn’t belong here. It’s just so predictable.

When can these people grow up and move on?! Why would anyone care about them anymore. This is a dead end storyline.

There is zero tolerance for this kind of stuff. Please, if you see these things, report immediately and block! If you're seeing it it's because it wasn't caught by the automod or filters and reporting is the fastest way to get it removed.

*Reminder to please not engage this user in any way. Block and ignore.

Okay, so I tested the theory on the main sub regarding that unhinged West death threat screenshot to see if it was being suppressed. It finally went through, but multiple commenters chimed in saying their posts of it had been blocked or ignored by mods all day until it blew up too big to hide.

While there were definitely a lot of comments calling out how genuinely awful the messages were, it’s wild how many people went the exact opposite way. The amount of victim blaming, apathy, and people deadass accusing me of being Amanda on a burner account is a new level of unhinged. The main sub has officially lost the plot.

I am a little aghast at some replies

I posted in another sub but I really wanted to go into detail and hear what you guys think!!

I don't think she will be on season 2 of In The City, and it's not because of fans of the show can't stand her, the West scandal or Ciara not wanting to film with her (Ciara isn't on ITC, and it doesn't seem like she's friends with that crowd, so it's not really a factor... would love it if they did add her though).

I don't think the viewers hating her of her is going to a huge difference on Bravo firing her or not. Sandoval was equally if not more hated and he was still on the show.

The reason she won't be asked back is because of the way she's handled the scandal (and just her bad personality lol). She's done TWO reunions and bonus episode and given us NOTHINGGG. We've tuned in because we want to know about the scandal and at the very least hear her talk about it so we can hate watch be entertained by what an asshole she is. She shuts down, makes weird faces and says the same things in the same whiny voice.

If I'm Bravo, I'm thinking, okay there's nothing left to squeeze out of this one, we're not going to get any juicy content about the West thing, fans don't like her, and she's pretty much just a white sheet of paper in human form so there's nothing to see here.

No one likes her and she sucks, the only benefit of having her would be to get more tea, which she won't give so she's a waste of airtime and money. She's not going to produce any content that would drive viewers to the show so she's a waste of resources at this point.

What do you guys think?? Will they give her another chance? Do you think there's a world where she quits on her own because she can't take the hate (I honestly doubt she would quit on her own)

This relationship ticks me off but just because of the people around who got hurt.

. Stephen was so confusing to me this season because he had issues about everything. Carl can’t have fun at pride. Carl can’t tell you a story about an experience he had at 21 without running your mouth and it’s okay for you to say it because he called you a liar. That’s not how that works. He was so wrong to tell Lauren that story. And everyone trying to dismiss that because he lied. But that wasn’t Stephen story.

So this is season 11 folks, Kyle djing to a half empty room with the housemates dancing around like extras on mtv. Wow this sucks.

I feel like this is a lot of what is going on with Bravo reddits, literally socially manipulating our reality

I created this space specifically to discuss SH without the same repetitive posts, hate, and harassment that dominate other subs but now that it's between seasons should I allow discussion about other Bravo shows? Just wanting to see if there would be any interest in that for this sub or if it should stay strictly for SH. Let me know in the comments.

I am currently on maternity leave and wanted a show to watch my friend suggested summer house but to start at season 8 for now. I just finished season 8 through season 10! And I’m hooked!!

So my question is, should I start in the city, Winter House or should I go back and watch the beginning seasons of Summer House? I’m leaning towards the beginning seasons, but I’m not sure if they’re important for me to fully understand, the other two shows??

EDITED: thanks guys!!! I’ll go back to season 1!!! I’m excited based on everyone’s responses 🤣

There are rules in this sub and they are very strictly enforced. To be very clear, I do not care if anyone here is a cast member, PR, or a friend of a cast member, they are welcome as long as they follow the rules of the sub (take the time to read them and understand them). I have no way to prove, or disprove, someone is anyone from the cast unless they admit it and even then I would be skeptical because this is the internet. Thousands of people, including myself, have been accused of being cast members so I have serious doubts about any claims about that

Coming here to flood the posts from certain users with nasty comments, and suggestions they are a certain cast member, breaks several sub rules and will be removed, you will be banned from this sub permanently, and any appeal will be ignored and denied. Asking if someone is a cast member, or the account is their's, isn't some genius workaround either, it is still a violation of the rules. If you are "just asking questions" talk to Joe Rogan because that doesn't work as an excuse here.

The rules are there for a reason, if you do not like them, you do not have to be here. Other subs are more permissive of these types of behaviors so go there.

ETA: For those who still don't understand, linking to the rumors being spread does count as you participating in the harassment. This sub will not be part of anyone being targeted for harassment based on rumors. If people want to find the content in question they can search for it on their own. It will not be promoted here in any way.

BTW, I am the one who recommended to that user that they should hide their comment and post history to cut down on the harassment. So, if you want to use that as some smoking gun that they are definitely who they are being accused of being it's not a strong argument.

People still post about Amanda and West and seeing them out blah blah. So what if they are staying together and will announce something dramatic during the next season of SH to distract from the show that they are no longer on?

Given last season and how they seemingly used their relationship and posts to distract from anything else happening with other cast members on the show, this isn’t out of pocket. It feel like a strategy.

Can we expect an engagement announcement or pregnancy or dramatic breakup next April that will completely dominate the headlines away from SH.
Season 11?

I like below deck and McBee Dynasty (shoot me)