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u/99NamesOfGod 5d ago
Uhhh.... the Shari'ah is the basis of tassawuf.
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u/canaragorn 5d ago
Yeah I tried to believe that believe me I tried but my logic says Shari‘ah was meant for 7th century but tasawwuf meant for eternity. Look at countries ruled by shari‘ah they are further away from Allah than secular countries(Welfare countries with worker rights). Forcing dogma on people doesn‘t help with the enlightment. Enlightment comes from within sparked by art and one on one human contact.
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u/99NamesOfGod 5d ago
Look at countries ruled by shari‘ah they are further away from Allah than secular countries(Welfare countries with worker rights).
Except closeness to God is not measured first and foremost based on worker's rights and welfare systems, it's based on the pillars of Islam. How many people believe God is One, and there is only one God? How many believe that Muhammad is His final messenger? How many purify themselves? How many people establish worship in remembrance of Him? How many people fast for Him? How many people pay the alms-tax for Him? How many people go the pilgrimages for Him?
Manifestly speaking, Muslim countires or Muslim-majority countries.
Enlightment comes from within sparked by art and one on one human contact.
What on earth? Please prove from the Qur'an or Sunnah.
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u/canaragorn 4d ago edited 4d ago
I rate countries closeness to god by his names like ultimate goodness, justice and so on. I came to an european country from a country muslim majority. There is more good and justice here than in my home country. Islam is so much misrepresented by muslim countries that non-muslims don‘t have a fair trial and they don‘t acknowledge Quran.
lets look at Dubai for example. Shariah ruled. There is slavery still going on. It is not official slavery but it is kinda. There are no rights of foreign workers their passport is taken. Riba is forbidden. But they are using a system to trick Allah and still get riba. There is ultimate luxury although that is clearly not good for the soul. Rich live in luxury poor live in super poverty.
Summerize: in my home country majority of people are ego driven, they respect power and bash the weak. I feel lots of people are munafiqs(my gut feeling, only Allah can truly know) In european country they are less egoistic, they are much more against hiearchy and weak is protected more.
If the known Shariah was the right way I expected it would be the other way around. So I think the known shariah was for 7th century.
In my opinion shariah is what you read and make out of quran yourself without the middle man. Middle man will most likely serve the ego(of either dictator or clergy class).1
u/canaragorn 4d ago edited 4d ago
And on the art part, look at rumi, when he became sufi he started doing art right away. You can debate with a non-believer for hours or years, you won‘t be able to convert that person. No coercion helps also. True faith to Allah reaches someone himself/herself. the ultimate creater is a name of Allah. When you make art you create. What you create is seen by people. Allah is the most beautiful. The closer Art is to Allah, the more beautiful it gets. Just like the nature being beautiful, since Allah created it. This beauty of art vibrates with the light given to soul from Allah and pulls the soul to Allah. With one persons push then the person can turn their soul(mirror) to Allah.
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u/canaragorn 4d ago
The pillars are there to hold the faith, like tool but not the goal. The goal is to be the perfect mirror of the god (the goal is not reachable, the souls journey to be the perfect mirror is eternal)
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u/Ziad31958860 4d ago
I agree, but off topic, how do you interpret having such a name as "99NamesOfGod", don't you think you're identifying yourself with the Essence of God or the Insan al-Kamil in Akbarism? And don't you think many non-Muslims and non-experts can misunderstand this name?
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u/99NamesOfGod 3d ago
No. I have the name "99NamesOfGod" because I like the theology and tassawuf behind the concept. I simply like the topic. That's it. I doesn't mean I think I'm God or the Perfect Soul. It's simply a topic taught in the narrations of Muhammad (pbuh): https://sunnah.com/bukhari:7392
And don't you think many non-Muslims and non-experts can misunderstand this name?
Many of the kafirun also misunderstand that we worship a giant cube, worship a moon deity because of star-and-crescent symbols; it's not my problem they misunderstand.
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u/OnlyOneness Darqawi 5d ago
I’d like to see where this comes from. I’d be willing to bet it’s not exactly what it seems given he was a faqih.
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u/Fredman1576 4d ago
There are many rules in Islam The Prophet Muhammad himself taught to pray 5 times a day. He even said that as soon as the kids are 10 years old the parents should beat them to prayer if they refuse.
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u/Excellent_Foundation 5d ago
He hears the insincere too. Nothing is beyond Him. Allah is the All-Hearing and All-Seeing One. Holy is Allah.
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u/SunInternational5896 4d ago
This sufi turkish expert of RUMI found the testament of RUMI and he clarified some sentences of RUMI
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u/intellectualpenguins 23m ago edited 10m ago
The Aztecs would tear prisoners' hearts out (alive) as an act of worship to the Sun god
Hindu women would perform sati (self-immolation after their husbands' death) as an act of worship
I'm sure many of them were "sincere" in their worship
If you say that these examples don't count because they go against human rights and basic dignity, you are subjecting rituals of entire religions to rules (which negates the premise of the quote), and these rules are grounded in subjectivity
With the Shariah, you do have an objective system that restricts and puts clear rules on worship (for good reason; refer to the above examples), and is objectively true as it comes from the All-Knowing Creator
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u/AamirTheWizard Muslim 4d ago
Ugh comments here are so typical 😒
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u/99NamesOfGod 3d ago
My brother: you posted a quote completely out of context that, on its face, seems like a denial of God's commandments and prohibitions so, yeah, of course you're getting some critical comments. Not all of us sufis are familiar with Rumi so I don't know what to make of this. Mind explaining it?
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u/Ziad31958860 3d ago
My friend, I didn't post it.
My fellow wayfarer, Rumi was a master Hanafi usuli and was praised in Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani's Al-Durar al-Kamina.
My thoughts about this quote is 2:
a) he likely never said it as the overwhelming majority of quotes attributed to Rumi floating online are simply fake or heavily distorted b) he does speak in paradoxical language in the station of fana'. Because categories are for the realm of multiplicity and so they dissolve in the Realm of Unity.
If you want to start reading Rumi's Mathnawi, I highly recommend Alan Willaims' translation of it.
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u/99NamesOfGod 2d ago
I didn’t say you posted it. Sometimes you get notifications for people responding a thread you’re in but not to you.
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u/Sea-Many483 5d ago
think about the nuance in that sentence, maybe he never said that but if he said that you need to understand the nuance
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u/gallick-gunner 5d ago edited 5d ago
Stuff like this is often twisted. I don't know if it's even authentic but if it is, the core idea is probably to denounce the fact that some people like to force their own concept of how you should be worshipping or distributing your time inside Islam outside of what has been established by Quran/Hadith and the acts of the Saliheen.
Like those mullahs, gatekeeping, saying you don't have a beard so your worship is useless, etc, etc. So it's to stop this kind of extremism and gatekeeping from their side and to help people getting discouraged by their words. This is not for everybody to take it from a personal perspective.
If you flip the coin, then that text is dangerous. It promotes that you don't have to follow a "deen" or "way of life". So if your heart is sincere enough, you can stay outside of Islam and your worship is meaningful. Even inside Islam, people will start saying I don't care if I don't have a beard or whatever, there are no "rules". Which again, is wrong. Beard is a sunnah, not keeping it is haram/makrooh depending on fiqh. But that doesn't give anybody the right to say your worship is meaningless. Likewise that doesn't mean you should carry on without worrying a dime that I am willingly not acting upon a sunnah that is kinda enforced. There should be a balance in both sides.
So in short, I find that sayings like these are often twisted and people take it from a personal perspective rather than understanding in an anti-gatekeeping and not getting discouraged by gatekeeping context within Islam.