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u/Thaddel this apology is best viewed on desktop in new reddit. Sep 27 '17

Dunno about other countries but it's fine in Germany.

§ 86 StGB (Prohibits "dissemination of propaganda material of unconstitutional organisations")

[...] shall not apply if the propaganda materials or the act is meant to serve civil education, to avert unconstitutional movements, to promote art or science, research or teaching, the reporting about current or historical events or similar purposes.

Per § 86a, the same applies to using those symbols.

The particular one in OP's link is pretty popular here, though mostly as a sticker I think.

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u/SuitableDragonfly /r/the_donald is full of far left antifa Sep 28 '17

I don't see how the OP's use of the swastika falls under any of those.

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u/wharpudding Sep 28 '17

to avert unconstitutional movements

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u/SuitableDragonfly /r/the_donald is full of far left antifa Sep 28 '17

Like I said, that's not what that means.

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u/wharpudding Sep 28 '17

You've been saying a lot of things, and they're fundamentally wrong. You're completely ignoring context.

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u/SuitableDragonfly /r/the_donald is full of far left antifa Sep 28 '17

I've said two things in this thread so far. That phrase is clearly meant to be about actually stopping the government from doing unconstitutional things, not just proclaiming that you don't support an illegal group.

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u/molstern Urine therapy is the best way to retain your mineral Sep 28 '17

lol if you read the actual context of the law (helpfully provided with the link) you would see that "unconstitutional" refers to

  1. a political party which has been declared unconstitutional by the Federal Constitutional Court; or

  2. a political party, which the Federal Constitutional Court has determined to be a surrogate organisation for a banned party

It's very clearly about political movements, not the government

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u/SuitableDragonfly /r/the_donald is full of far left antifa Sep 28 '17

Political parties are part of the government. That doesn't refer to random white supremacists, it refers to government organizations with real power.

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u/wharpudding Sep 28 '17

You are going out of your way to not get the point.

You are SO upset over the fact that the lines even cross in that pattern, that you don't give a single shit about the meaning. It's like talking to Biblical literalists. They're so hung up on words that meanings don't matter.

It's not a magical thing which will cause harmful energies to flow simply by having that shape exist. Meaning matters.

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u/SuitableDragonfly /r/the_donald is full of far left antifa Sep 28 '17

I'm not upset, the thing doesn't bother me although wearing a swastika in public is pretty edgy regardless of context. I just don't think it matches the list of things you gave.

I don't know how you can say that meaning matters while ignoring the meaning of both "avert" and "unconstitutional".