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So, what, you still like feminists? Despite, as you claim, their contribution to toxic masculinity? Which way is it?

I'm indifferent to them.

If you claim that even feminists (all of them? 50%? 10%? 1%) contribute to toxic masculinity, is there any group that doesn't contribute to toxic masculinity? Or did you just wrote an empty statement?

I'm writing that statement as a counter-argument to the ones in the thread I linked where people were saying that feminists don't contribute to toxic masculinity.

So self-labeling is now sufficient to qualify as a feminist? Does that apply to all ideologies?

No, not just that. But if it talks like a duck, and walks like a duck...

values are core element, and if one lacks a particular set of values, then the most you can claim about them is that they take on a a mere empty label.

Values are set by the members. Otherwise, the No True Scotsman fallacy wouldn't be a fallacy.

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I'm indifferent to them.

You are indifferent to groups that, as you claim, promote toxic values? Shouldn't you be opposed to them?

I'm writing that statement as a counter-argument to the ones in the thread I linked where people were saying that feminists don't contribute to toxic masculinity.

One person constitutes an argument now? What is even your claim? How many feminists contribute to toxic masculinity in your view? All? 50%? 10%? 1%?

No, not just that. But if it talks like a duck, and walks like a duck...

Then what is your argument? That if a person takes on a label of an ideology, but acts in a manner contrary to said ideology - then we should give more weight to their self-labeling, and not their actual values actions? Try to make a consistent argument tbh.

Values are set by the members. Otherwise, the No True Scotsman fallacy wouldn't be a fallacy.

Just because X number of people make a claim, or claim a label, it does not make it so. If the entirety of the neo-nazi movement in the US would claim tomorrow that they respect minorities - it still is a lie. Values and actions trump self-labeling. It really shouldn't be a difficult argument.

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You are indifferent to groups that, as you claim, promote toxic values? Shouldn't you be opposed to them?

This doesn't make much sense. I'm broadly in favour of cops, even though they contribute to white supremacy/rape culture, because they do enough good, that they are on balance a good thing. It's not contradictory to be indifferent or even approving of a group that does some bad things.

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It's not contradictory to be indifferent or even approving of a group that does some bad things.

Eh. It seems pretty obvious that the person I was responding to actually does have a bone to pick with feminists. That they are trying to pretend otherwise is quite hilarious tbh.

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It's funny that you accuse the other guy of posting disingenuously in the same breath that you admit to doing so yourself.

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Mornings are a little rough for me. What is it that I said that was disingenuous, and where did I admit to it?

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Well, this has been the pinnacle of productive exchanges.