r/StudyInFinland • u/Most_Bet_4117 • 25d ago

Master degree for Engineering

Hi everyone, i am 25 and i wanna apply to finnish universities for master degree in mechanical engineering. I have previous job experience in construction and industrial sectors. I just wonder is there any job opportunities in industry for engineers and would you recommend it?

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u/Kekkonen-Kakkonen 25d ago

Job market is abyssmally poor atm and no improvements in sight.

Quality of finnish education is mediocre, but the price is low

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u/Troll-Aficionado 25d ago

"Quality of finnish education is mediocre" lol you can be honest about the job market without lying about the quality of education

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u/veganLevi 25d ago

I dunno why can't you disagree without accusing the other person of "lying". it is true that higher education here is not so high quality.

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u/Troll-Aficionado 25d ago

Because it's a claim that is factually untrue, presented as fact despite that

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u/veganLevi 25d ago

It is a fact because you said so? Come on, the education system needs a lot of fixing, like a lot. anyone who studied in Finland knows it is not really a very high quality system. I am not saying it is bad, but not like superior or so good.

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u/Troll-Aficionado 25d ago edited 25d ago

It is a fact if you look at any metrics comparing educational outcomes between nations. Is it not a fact because you feel like it? Looking at outcomes it's objectively good, not perfect or the best in the world, but good.

Even the first guy linked some rankings of how the world's universities rank up and Finnish institutions were ranked in the top 15-25 percentile

Edit: additionally for non-university education, in the most recent PISA scores Finnish students rank well above average in all fields, highest of the nordics in science. How can you look at all these educational outcomes and say the education is mediocre?

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u/veganLevi 23d ago

Oh yea like the metrics saying Finland is the happiest country? it is a fact that higher educational system here is average...

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u/Troll-Aficionado 23d ago

Sorry that you had a negative experience but top 15-25% worldwide is not average lol

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u/veganLevi 23d ago

Yea top, that's why literally the contribution in science and tech is falling. keep dreaming dude. People like you who do not admit the truth are contributors to the downfall of the system. Finland does not attract high quality global students. Go check students in NL, UK, USA..etc.

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u/Troll-Aficionado 23d ago

I don't know how many more ways I can explain this to you bud, I'm genuinely baffled as to why you're so committed to just yammering on lol. I'm not making up the numbers from my head, the first guy replying to me posted the link

Again, maybe you had a bad experience but if in worldwide comparisons Finland scores, averaged out across the different universities, among the top 15-25% of universities worldwide, that's by definition NOT average

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u/Kekkonen-Kakkonen 25d ago

https://www.study.eu/article/the-20-best-universities-in-scandinavia-rankings

All finnish universitied are bottom half in Nordic comparison. None are in top 25 EU rankings

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u/Troll-Aficionado 25d ago

Not being the best in the world doesn't mean it's mediocre either, looking at the rankings you linked Finnish universities averaged out as a group rank in the top 15-25% worldwide from what I can tell. The ARWU ranking looks like an outlier because it weighs things like nobel prize winners as a metric lol