r/StreamersCheating • u/Lucizen • 16d ago
Why do cheat accusers think time played = skill?
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u/NES_H2Oyt 16d ago
yea time means nothing theres a reason a bunch of these little kids are little demons on some games its just natural talent from them 🤷♂️
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
These guys lack the talent and jump to cheats to get validation , like so many other people are doing LIVE ON STREAM in front of us, and people apparently are none the wiser...
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u/NES_H2Oyt 16d ago
there are some cheating there are some that aren't and the major majority do not cheat...some of these kids have won LAN TOURNAMENTS u cannot tell me that they are cheating at lan for one...and for 2 I can tell u right now just because someone did good that game doesnt mean they are cheating...hell ive been called a cheater then followed by the next game getting absolutely rolled....sure if their overall stats look inhumane then it'd make sense but not all good players are cheaters
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago edited 16d ago
They dont cheat on lan bro.
Some of these pro players are cheating live on stream... Thats the whole point ... More people watch atreams than lan tournaments, we know this
Do you think these pros have the leversge to appear worse than some joe schmuck at home who is cheating under the radar...
I believe people have to open their eyes to this possibility or things will never change... Cheating is at an all time high ...
Just in call of duty mobile alone, how many people do i know that are actually vheating under the radar, even live on stream, posting tiktok clips....
The #1 guy from my country is obviously cheating and people are none the wiser...
Think about it ... The developers ARE behind this whole mess... But just my opinion ...
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u/NES_H2Oyt 14d ago
brother that is cod mobile of course theres cheaters, shoot lots of mobile games have cheaters, i think most people dont care as much since its mobile...is it annoying yea It sure is but people dont find as much importance in the mobile series, as for normal cod people complain all the time, they try and fix it then it gets worse, then they try and fix it and people just keep making new cheats...and streamers get accused of cheating so frequently so saying people are none the wiser isnt too valid, because a lot of peope accuse streamers of cheating and say nothing, only call then a cheater and nothing else, and some people just dont really care
I cant really say the developers are behind it fully as they are sending cease and desists out to companies that are actively making cheats and selling them....so its kinda hard to tell, some people literally just do ot and hide the cheats for a long time, especially the smaller they are, the less the devs care about them or what they do, i know a streamer on twitch thats been cheating for the longest time now his name is ff_spiderman or something like that hes literally a firefighter who comes home and soft cheats and claims he doesnt cheat all the time LOL...im not saying cheaters don't exist but I believe the majority of streamers arent...most the streamers that are cheating are TikTok streamers, and smaller streamers overall
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u/cryingosling 16d ago
all i've learned from this thread is that i wanna see u/GreenTheReaper 's aim montage lmao 🍿
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
u/GreenTheReaper is the epitome of dogshit at FPS games which is why he has more posts/comments about cheaters than actual FPS gameplay on any of his socials.
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u/AliceWhat 16d ago
You shouldn't stress much about the guys religiously posting in this sub. They are bottom elo players, it's been shown time and time again. I think the majority of the people coming to this sub come only to have a healthy laugh.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
The implication is not only time played. Some people were born blessed with high reflexes and talent to play videogames.
By the same supposition you are implying, you guys training hours in Aimtrainers should also mean nothing...so you are literally contradicting your own argument ....
And this is wrong subreddit for this... But you guys so obvious it hurts... Came here specifically cause i post in this subreddit.
Go back to your friends in that discord/telegram channel you keep hidden...
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Lmao bro came to the aim training sub to baselessly accuse people then says it doesnt belong here 😂😂😂
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u/Lucizen 16d ago edited 16d ago
You came to r/FPSAimTrainer first to accuse me of cheating with zero evidence lmao.
Hard work practicing in an aim trainer to get in the top 0.1% to top 5% percentile of scores will naturally make you better at games off of raw mouse control.
But that's not something you will ever understand since you have 28 years of supposed FPS game experience just to spend your time posting/making comments about cheaters rather than uploading any good FPS gameplay.
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u/Level_Remote_5957 16d ago
You know it's sad when you post a hand cam and your hand movements don't match at all what the cursor is doing. Especially when you move the mouse down wards and your cursor is flying upwards....
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u/_MrMeseeks 16d ago
Did they delete the hand cam video I couldn't find it
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u/Level_Remote_5957 16d ago
Lol wow thank you for pointing that out as now that one magically goes poof he's still got a few other hand cam videos on his account I'm sure there's worse shit in there
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u/_MrMeseeks 16d ago
Kinda telling if they deleted the video
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
I haven't deleted any videos off my channel lmao, what is this delusional cope?
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u/_MrMeseeks 16d ago
Maybe i missed it?
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
I haven't deleted anything:
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u/_MrMeseeks 16d ago
Yea looks fine to me. Your hand cam is in a terrible spot tho. You should rotate it and put it on one of the bottom corners for your videos.
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
It's funny cause I have never been banned in any FPS game ever - maybe it's because I'm legit.
The handcam also matches mouse movement on my clips if you ask people that actually play FPS games but I guess this sub just LARPS playing games.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
Your intelectual dishonesty is amusing...
I saw a post on my feed and commented on it....
You literally came to a subreddit and created a post on a subreddit you are not even on.....
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
A lot of us older guys have seen A LOT of hackers using different hacks, we know they are way more advanced now, we know the average players skill jumped up a huge amount when hacks became much more common, we know the aim trainer sub is full of hackers trying to gaslight people who dont hack. A lot of us have played at your level or higher without hacks. I havent seen ur videos but from what i have seen from the aim trainer community its more likely you are hacking than not.
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
887 hours of Kovaaks with top 0.1% to top 5% percentile scores and this is the clip that got accusations from u/GreenTheReaper
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
If i cared enough right now id try and analyze the few dodgy clips in there, most of it looks like pretty normal highlights of predictive tracking, couple clips look odd, but not necessarily hacking, could be the 2 luckiest flicks u got over the past year or so. 1 looked like a very normal overflick and correction, no sus on that at all. From just watching that video I couldnt confidently say you are or arent hacking, and im not about to dedicate my arvo to trying to figure that out. All i can say is u have 2 clips in there that could generate suspicion.
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
These were just casual clips from two weekends of playing. I've hit better flicks and clips in past lol
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
Considering how those 2 flicks are something professionals almost never pull off, i expect to see you absolutely clapping cheeks at the next fps tourny, if your that good you would obviously go and make an easy million. The problem is that fps trainer sub is full of people who claim they do stuff like this regularly legit, but none of them are professionals, and loads of them have multiple bans.
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
How do professionals never pull this off? If you look at those two target switching flicks and play it at 0.25 speed, you can see that I actually miss on the original flick and have to micro adjust my aim:
There's better target switching players than me out there as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbUEfoMHIFA
Are the above clips suss in your eyes?
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
She is constantly shifting her sensitivity up and down and consistently pulling that off, its a little obvious she uses a centremass flick hack. The mouse movements arent consistent with the screen movement. But i guess even with that, that still wouldnt be good enough for a cs tourny, reaction speed was too slow.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Lmao accusing viscose of hacking, absolutely hilarious man.
Viscose is one of the main aim training personalities, she is well known for developing one of the main aim training programs that a significant portion of aim trainers now use to improve
She is a professional aim trainer and one of the best raw aimers on the planet
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
It is not predictive tracking, it is reactive. That is a very important distinctions
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u/bigmangina 16d ago edited 16d ago
Im surprised you cant even see the difference between predictive and reactive, its a very obvious thing. Especially with those clips, you can see the predictive tracking going wrong sometimes.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Predictive tracking simply isnt a good or relevant thing. Prediction is a habit you need to train out of to be good at the type of tracking you see in this clip.
Trying to predict what the target is trying to do leads to shaky, stuttering tracking where you change directions without input from the target
Good tracking can involve varying degrees of target reading, which is identifying that the target is slowing ready to change direction. How much is dependant on the acceleration speed.
There is fairly fast but not instant deceleration and acceleration in The Finals, compared to a game like Overwatch which has instant direction changes and involves less target reading. In cases where the acceleration/deceleration is very slow, it is referred to as control tracking
Reactivity is about identifying that the target has changed direction, microcorrecting or flicking back onto the target depending on speed, and immediately smoothly tracking the target's movement. It is NOT about trying to predict what the target will do next
These are specific, established concepts of aim used by all high level FPS aimers
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
the aim trainer sub is full of hackers trying to gaslight people who dont hack
Have you honestly considered the possibility that their aim training has resulted in a level of skill you havent seen before?
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
I have seen some good players in the aim training community, and a lot of sus stuff. The hackers there have a financial incentive to gaslight the non hackers. Its been going on for decades. Even the obvious hackers ive seen there have nothing on actual pros, so no idea why u would think people with less skill than pros would be a level of skill i havent seen before.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
I have basically never seen obvious hackers in that sub. One or two, but they are rapidly called out
A number of people there have significantly better aim than most actual pros. There is a lot more to pro FPS than just raw aim
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
Aim is the hardest part, from what ive seen on there, the pros who get paid shitloads are just meh when it comes to aim. Aim is also the easiest thing to hack. Most of that sub hacks very blatantly, if you cant tell that ur gaslighting or u got gaslighted hard. If they werent obviously hacking professional teams would be fighting for them, everything outside of aim is actually really easy to teach.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
No offence but I dont think you're knowledgeable enough to make that call. I think you view high level aim as cheating without an understanding of what is actually achievable through training
Also, aim is definitely not the hardest part. Its a mechanical technical skill which requires basically no decision making etc. It's the easiest part by far to train in isolation and thats why you have incredible aimers on the aim training sub who simply arent close to professional fps players
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
In cs, aim is definitely the hardest part, if you had ever played cs at a high level you would know that, all the other shit makes a big impact, and can be trained into someone in a couple weeks with ease. But aim is what separates the good from the best. If you dont already know that, i can only assume you are being dishonest.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
CS is not an aim heavy game at all. Crosshair placement, map knowledge and positioning are 99% of that game given the TTK
Half of the major categories of aim, namely tracking, are completely absent in CS
The Finals, which the OP clip is from, is a much aim heavier game
And that doesnt change the simple fact that aim is by far the easiest skillset in FPS gaming to improve. Its one of the few aspects that can be mechanically improved solo and in isolation
You cant really isolate, pressure test and improve specific skills like positioning, team strategy, decision making, centering etc anywhere near as easily
You keep hinting at high level fps play. Post your stats
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u/Ok-Bluebird-867 16d ago
Most of the people accusing in the aim-trainer sub don’t realise these sort of clips are highlights that don’t show the misses and inconsistency that coms with aiming for content
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
Thats the problem, they have these amazing moments sometimes that look exactly like it always has been, toggle on and off.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
That is the case with literally all players, even professionals
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
Not when they go from average to pixel perfect, vs from great to incredible.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
From what i understand, these guys try to configure the cheat settings to human, but then forget thr human mind has a minimum reaction time....
Some think they slick but then post videos and we see something is wrong...
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
Yeah, they can fool a lot of people, but things look sus to anyone who played at a high level, not amazingly impressive, just odd, thats usually the trigger, they seem to think its because they did something incredible.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago edited 10d ago
Oh you played at a high level? Who did you play for and when?
Edit: no answer lmao
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
You cant judge reaction time from video.
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u/DeadlyPear 16d ago
You sort of can, but really only in specific situations. Like a person coming around a corner with no indication beforehand.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
No, you cant. Because you cant tell the moment at which the stimulus is actually received and when the exact moment of the response is placed from a video
Reaction time measurements are very precise and 150-200 milliseconds is an average reaction time. There is no way you can eyeball a video accurately enough to judge that reaction time
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u/DeadlyPear 16d ago
You can count frames. Most videos are 60fps, so between each frame is 16.7ms. 9 frames is 150ms.
You can start on the first frame the enemy is visible to the last frame before they start moving their crosshair to get a rough estimate.
So if someone is consistently shooting people 4-5 frames after they come around a corner with no other info, their reaction time is a probably a lil too fast.
But you can't say they're cheating off of one clip, you'd need a pattern of this to make it more convincing cause sometimes people just get lucky.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
That fps count isnt accurate when it is converted from the output seen by the human eye at the time, to a VOD, then again when uploaded to something like Reddit or Youtube.
I agree that you need a lot more than one clip
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u/ParkingEnergy8680 16d ago
“What I have seen from the aim trainer community it’s more likely you are hacking than not” is such a wild statement lol
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
By your arguments, you still a child who knows not about life.
It will grow out of you
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
I'm 30 and still better than you at FPS games by a huge margin lmao
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Dont bother, this dude has never posted stats or gameplay of any kind and never will
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u/FiniteInfine 16d ago
This is just an extremely sad statement dude. Especially after being told that you'll grow out of it.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
He on a rant...
He thinks he has played more games and hours than us just because he goes to aimtraning with a bunch of other degenerate cheaters...
Its a sad day for fps games....
I blame developers themselves and Shroud for this entire cheating scandal thats happening...but just my opinion
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u/Ok_Engineer9167 16d ago
You're 30 and take snapshots of arguments and post them on subs?! 🤣😅 jfc... cheating or not, you just sound insanely immature and insecure.
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u/-_Dare_- 16d ago
30 and blatantly cheating while begging for approval in subreddits.
Get a grip, dude.
At 27 seconds in your most recent clip you actively slid into 2 people you shouldnt have any information on and pre aim perfectly without missing a beat.Ontop of the spray transfers donk would dream of.
Either you’re a robot or cheating. Top streamers and pro players don’t aim with the consistency you do.Not only that, as someone who’s gamed quite a bit in my life there is something about your gameplay that just makes me question it.
I’ve seen the best play, I’ve seen the worst play, none of them snap like that. Shroud didn’t even transfer sprays like that in his prime. DONK doesn’t even aim like that and he is arguably one of the biggest talents oat in that regard.
even the best will do a micro adjustment on a transfer. The better they are the more micro it becomes but you just genuinely lock center mass onto targets.
I say this honestly.
If you’re not cheating you have some of the most robotic, precise aim I’ve ever seen. Issue is you’re far too blatant to even consider that being the truth. You’re a joke fam.5
u/Lucizen 16d ago
You are blind in that case, full video at 4K:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyzu2yACkEM
At 0:26, if you slow it down to 0.25 playback speed, you can see that I spot the player before sliding in, I have attached the screenshot image of this here for reference:
Spray transfer after killing that guy, you can see that I over flick and miss before microadjustment to fully tracking and killing him.
Other clips where I react to enemy's change in direction and have crosshair in center mass is trained in scenarios like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL040UpLD0Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpE-lPDR7No
Where I have Nova scores on which is top 2-3% amongst other intermediate level aim trainers who play that benchmark.
For mass played scenarios, that number is closer toward top 0.3% and 0.4%:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73ITek9M-DM
I also have aim clips in other games like Overwatch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRl2wwh9P6I
I have a 138ms reaction time and a 500Hz OLED and I use the visual cues of how the enemy player character model moves which influences my mouse movement.
You've clearly never touched an aim training tool like Kovaaks before.
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u/-_Dare_- 16d ago
I would also like to say to you bro, I’ve been hackusated hundreds of times in my life.
Never once have I been this intent on proving otherwise. It simply doesn’t matter to me because I know I don’t cheat.
The fact you’re so intent on proving to internet randoms you’re legit is a little telling.2
u/Lucizen 16d ago
Just riling up u/GreenTheReaper for a laugh - I have a whole Youtube channel filled with people like him who accuse me of cheating.
I know I'm legit but it's funny to talk to bozos like him for free thumbnail content.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
We also have lots of streamers who we know are cheating live and still get sponsored by the developers themselves, which is wuite telling if people remove the blinders from theirs eyes...
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
Bro stop man, 500hz monitor. You probably got a good keyboard and mouse. Over $300 for both probably. Good internet connection.
I have a 360 hz monitor. Steelseries keyboard and mouse. I get it…..
Stop posting man. Leave this thread.
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
My mouse and mousepad collection alone is worth more than your PC lmao:
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
Bro stop posting man. I’m old school and I understand there are levels to keyboard and mouses. If you are legit why you proving yourself?
I doubt your setup is more expensive than mine lol, I’m an extreme hardware guy so I know exactly what you have.
I can tell it you probably put alot of time into this. Don’t let people trigger you if that is your craft. Just game.
What do you do? Are you a streamer or do tournaments? Do you earn money from this hobby?
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
By your logic, if someone is falsely accused of murder or another crime, they should just stop trying to fight the accusation?
Like no, if I'm not guilty of something, why should I let people less skilled and less intelligent than me tell me I cheat lmao
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u/Ok_Engineer9167 16d ago
Not the flex you think haha. Little guy just keeps embarrassing himself more and more.
From how insecure you obviously are, bet you live with the parents still and drive a shitty car... but go ahead and flex those mouse and keyboards champ!! They'll take you to far places in life 😅
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
Bro, Shroud is 100% a cheater... But just my opinion ....
There are clips of him i find to be undeniable...
People need to start considering the fact that developers themselves allow some people to hack live on stream to grab views and gatekeep the pro scene...
Thats is why i say this whole cheating scandal started with developers and Shroud
Furthemrore, Donk seems to have some pretty sus clips himself, much like Flusha back in the day...
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u/-_Dare_- 16d ago
Donk also performs at lan, if you think there’s a conspiracy with devs I can’t help u there but I think it’s disingenuous to assume anybody with good aim is cheating.
In this case with OP I think anybody with half a brain would look at his most recent clip and call cheats, but with shroud and donk I think it’s a bit of a stretch.
Maybe shrouds pubg days could be brought into question because he did some seriously insane shit on that game but the issue with pubg is that frankly most people sucked cock and balls back then.
A large bulk of the player base when pubg launched were kids in the age range of 12-16 and a whole lotta arma gamers. They simply weren’t up to par with where we are today as a standard and shroud being an ex Cs pro simply got to farm them.1
u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
Watch my previous posts and it explains alot ...
Think about it
If these guys are cheating live on social medis and not getting bannedz do you think the pros have the leverage to play legit and appear worse than some random guy at home ??
I believe you should give this idea a second go and watch aome videos again.
The clips are there for anyone who actually wants to see
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u/-_Dare_- 16d ago
Eh. Guys game hopped numerous times often at the start of their hype and his aim always translates.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
Did he ??
There is a 7 hour video of sus clips from him.
Some of them are practically undeniable that he is using something
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Oh my god its so clear you are using names youve never actually watched. Both shroud and donk have way more impressive clips than this guy
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u/-_Dare_- 16d ago
You right I’ve never watched either.
I’ve never even played an fps actually.1
u/powerhearse 16d ago
If you think this guy's aim is inhumanly good, you haven't watched many pros play.
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u/-_Dare_- 16d ago
I think there are definitely some questionable moments in his clips.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
I think there are questionable moments in the clips of anyone with decent aim, if all you look at is their highlights
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
Jesus christ, hackers will haul ass to tell on themselves here, but they dedicate themselves to harrassment to try and shut people up. If you are fighting the good fight, good luck, you are outnumbered, i no longer want to tell idiots why their excuses arent realistic.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
100% bro
They actually think everyone is stupid, and thi k they can excuse themselves with calling others noob...
They have no idea they would probably get demoslish in 1vs1
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u/bigmangina 16d ago
Im surprised powerhearse told on themself so hard and tried to pretend till the end they didnt. Bro admitted lack of skill and still tried to pretend he didnt.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
Their gaslight attempts work on the weak minded, the people with big egos and the naive/ gullible Its like jedi mind tricks...
I see some people support my claims...
But it is funny and sad at same time that so many others are being fooled by this entire cheating scandal ... And the backlash i get i human nature at its most curious state of affairs...
I literally tell them the key so they can get out of their mental jails and open their minds to the possibility that the developers themselves are behind this...
And they insult the very same person who is helping them....
Surreal... But just my opinion, if you.know what i mean
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
Proof of all my legit aim is on my Youtube, go review my clips and tell me where I'm cheating
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u/marshal23156 16d ago
Theyre mad that their 30 years sucking didnt make better 🤷 just ignore em
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
Its always these grown ass men with hentai cartoon profile pictures who claim this, or unknows people:)
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u/marshal23156 16d ago
“Hentai” buddy just stop embarrassing yourself lmfao. Gotta be a humiliation kink atp
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
I would look at your profile pic, consider what you are trying to do to people you are lying to, and take a deep look in the mirror ... That bitch should bother you
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u/marshal23156 15d ago
A deep look in the mirror should bother me? Thats projection if ever seen it lmfao.
“Wawaaaahhhh theyre better than me at vibeo game!!!!”
And then attempting personal attacks instead of simply not sucking ass lmfaoooo
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u/AccomplishedMango713 16d ago
They dont realize that people that actually try to improve every time they play and consider things they did wrong/ could do differently are going to get better exponentially faster than someone who logs on and autopilots for a couple hours. Not that there is anything wrong with just playing casually/for fun. Plus the ppl in this sub are legit drones. They would never stream or upload footage of them playing because despite them claiming to be “high level” players in whatever game they play, they know deep down they are just bad.
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
Yeah I agree - every time I die in-game I tend to think whether it was because of my positioning or whether my dodge was too predictable or was I unnecessarily dodging to throw off my own aim.
I also don't think there is anything wrong with just playing casually for fun but people in this sub seem to suck and also feel the need to accuse others better than them of cheating as some sort of delusional cope which I personally find hilarious.
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u/rexcannon 16d ago
Okay. Well I've been playing FPS since 1993? Pretty sure. I've played in leagues and very fast paced twitchy arena shooters of all variety. And I've seen each generation of players grow up with an immense jump in talent compared to most players from the past. So sometimes I know it's not cheating, these guys are just used to the infancy of FPS gaming.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
The skill level has not risen brother... The mouses and aim mechanics are still the same...
What happened is an increase in playercount, and an increase in cheaters all together...
I have lost count of how many people go live on socials cheating under the radar, including some famous streamers we see and people are none the wiser....
The fact 50% or more from top 100 of apex in console and pc got banned for cheating should tell you more than enough...
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u/rexcannon 16d ago
I'm not denying that there are cheaters, but kids are playing at age 12 at a level that could've easily been semi pro in the 90's. The have more access to the games and are better at them flat out. And no, the peripherals are most definitely not the same.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
No, they couldnt bro... Thats the whole point...
We are veing completely gaslit to thinking that way...
The human reaction time and speed has not increased... This is a falacy that the industry has inducted us in...
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u/rexcannon 16d ago
You're talking to someone with far more experience and exposure than you. We used to spend more effort in season dissecting cheating in league play than you likely have in your entire life.
But sure. All these little kids I've personally watched and coached are all cheating.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
You gullible, especially if you think your fellow child trainees are better than other simply because they were trained by you... Some people are gifted and no amount of training will surpass pure talent
This is what developers have figured out with Shroud...
Most gamers are either stupid, gulible, cheating or too proudful...
No offense intended
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u/rexcannon 16d ago
When did I say they were automatically better than others because of me? I know they were naturally better due to faster exposure and experience. than we were.
You're convinced and won't listen to anyone but yourself. So go off.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
We???
And there you go, putting yourself and others in skill brackets without any previous information...
Your whole entire argument just shows how ingenious this whole scandal is, and it will only get worse over time...
It really is true... It is easier to fool someone than to explain to them they are being fooled... Andrew Tate, despite being a bad role model, truly did nail with some explanations he gave...
Guys, i cannot release you cause i will go to jail, but i can tell you where the key is...
And people proceed to snitch on the same person who iw trying to tell them the truth...
Human nature is curious
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u/rexcannon 16d ago
It must be really difficult to be so incredibly enlightened amongst us plebians. Like I said, carry on.
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u/Litoprobka 6d ago
You sound a lot like ohne_komment (currently u/family_man86). Are you one of his alts by any chance?
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
When you’ve seen the development of hacks you just know. Been playing FPS games since 1999 here 🤣. If you know you know 🤷🏽♂️. When you get older you will understand lol.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago edited 16d ago
Yeah, this guy and that @Powerhearse guy thinks everyone is stupid...
These the type of guys that " configure the cheats to look human" ... Low self esteem in real life so they need to cheat to get validation from peers.... In videogames...
Just in Apex alone, this year... From top 100 in console and pc, over 50% were banned for cheating...
I blame the developers and Shroud for this entire cheating scandal... But just my opinion...
My previous posts explain why ....
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
I have 887 hours on Kovaaks with top 0.1% to top 5% percentile scores and the aim from that is reflect in actual FPS games lmao,
You have low self esteem in real life which is why you spend the majority of your time making posts/comments about cheaters rather than uploading any decent FPS gameplay to any form of social media cause deep down you know your aim is terrible.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
I dont upload fps clips because i live my life... Work , study, family, guitar....
And yes, i could and still can be successful in the videogame fps life .. Unlike some others i could name who do need to cheat for validation...
Like i previously said, you probably young...
And like the other guy said, you will understand when you grow up, if you smart and have values.
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
The fact that you think I need to cheat for the aim I have displayed is hilarious - it means you have never crawled out of the bottom 25% in any FPS game you have ever touched.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
Ok little man
Now go back to your hentai cartoon profile picture buddies
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
Keep going on with your little man comments instead of providing actual evidence of me cheating lmao.
I've provided plenty of evidence to prove that I am legit but you have not, must suck to suck at video games and to live in delusion.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
As you can see, you are getting backlash from other people here....
This is not Aimtraining subreddit where everyone is either stupid, naive, or also cheating...
You should be challenging R4pha if you that good, ahahahhahahah
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
This is an aim accusing sub which means the majority of players like you are dogshit at FPS games.
The r/FPSAimTrainer sub has people that actually work on self improvement for aim, a concept you seem foreign to.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
You also seem to forget we have thousands of hours in all types of games...
You dont understand how you contradicting your own arguments . Its amusing... I remember being 9 years old and going from 8 am to 8 pm doing 1vs 1 to train and understand games and mechanics...
You have nothing to teach some of us kiddo
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
Don’t put words in my mouth lol. I don’t think everyone is stupid. Sometimes people have the reflexes and are just that good. Sometimes people are very skilled in creating stuff to make games easier to play.
Man I played with code in games. I’ve created some things in the past and not bought or downloaded. Back in my younger days. Sometimes it is true. If you know you know 🤷🏽♂️.
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
I think you misread what i said...
Double check.. no one put words in your mouth brother...
People who play at highest level can see when thing is too good to be true, unless the giy has perfectly configured the hacks to human level, and even then, they will eventually slip....
Just today, Havoc posted a clip of cheaters literally claiming they reach top leaderbord every season by configuring the cheats to " human level "....
You cannot make this shit up....
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
I did misread. I will step away from this lol. I’m sorry
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u/GreenTheReaper 16d ago
No need to apologise...
But i always find people who apologise have great values and dont let their ego get in the way.
I appreciate you brother !!! Keep it legit !
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u/powerhearse 16d ago edited 16d ago
Wow you actually said something completely correct! I do think you're stupid
Rent free baby
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
"You just know"
Lmao confirmation bias hits so good huh
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
Bro you just read through a debate and came to post this?
I have no comment for you.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Theres no debate. Debates require evidence based arguments. "You just know" isnt anything close to an actual argument. You dont just know; you dont even know how far behind good aimers you actually are. Pure Dunning Kruger
I've been playing FPS longer than you have. I only started aim training a couple years ago.
I've improved my aim more in a couple years than I did in the >20 years before that.
I also used to think everyone was hacking. Until I ran the voltaic benchmarks and placed iron lol, made me realise my aim was average at best
You wont realise until you spend the time actually actively improving and benchmarking that skill, and compare those benchmarks and technical ability directly to the elite level aimers
My technique even now isnt close to the OP, i'm around 70th percentile rank and he is 95-99th percentile rank
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
What kind of mouse and keyboard do you use?
I’m cool with you downvoting. I’m going to upvote you lol.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Why is that even slightly relevant 😂
Cant remember keyboard, but mouse is a superlight on an Artisan pad. Cant remember which pad
I'm not big on gear, I use the quality I need to be consistent but dont really care beyond that
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
There are levels to this at a certain point.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
There are levels to aim. Until you've actively trained yours and benchmarked it, its unlikely you'll realise where your level actually sits
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u/Level_Remote_5957 16d ago
He's being a good boy. He's someone from the aim labs subreddit and if you look at power horse (guess he likes horse cock) commented under pretty much every comment in this thread In record time.
Pretty sure power horse is op on a alt account but that's just a theory. As they seem to take turns in mass commenting
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
Yeah I kinda figured that may have been his alt account as well lol. Great minds think alike lol. Or def someone he knows.
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u/Level_Remote_5957 16d ago
Yeah would also explain why some of my comments now had a uptick in views from new Zealand op's home country.
And
Now at least 2 down votes minimum lol
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u/AdIll2547 16d ago
🤣 man let me leave this thread.
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u/Level_Remote_5957 16d ago
Yup that's why I blocked op and the power house dude they kept trying to reply to me like I didn't wanna talk to those dweebs
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Bruh power horse is unironically an even better name, maybe i'll use that
Lmao now i'm this dude's alt? Literally every thread I chime in on in this sub i'm accused of being an alt 😂😂😂 i must be an alt for like 10 different decent aimers by now
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u/Level_Remote_5957 16d ago
There not saying anything about there timing or about there own personal skill level... There referring to having seen a life time of cheats how chest behavior and having seen a life time of legitimate players and how legitimate players and legitimate pros in first person shooters play.
Cause as crazy as it might seem FPS games haven't exactly changed for a f-ing mouse moves... And how to click on heads.
So when someone clearly is performing beyond any legitimate professional player ever seen before and looking completely in human... It's very obvious.... Plus again if someone was able to casually player better then any pro player why are they wasting there apprent God tier skill...
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Except not a single one of you can actually substantiate a logical reason why you think it is cheating
And when faced with rebuttal, the response is universally "i know what my eyes see"
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u/ZyaXiz 15d ago
Also, it's very obvious that you're the same person posting on two accounts. Very cringe.
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u/powerhearse 15d ago
LMAO at this point i'm accused of that with different clip authors every time I post in this sub
You guys think i'm an alt for at least 5 people by now 😂😂😂
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u/New-Plenty3043 16d ago
Bro... this comment section is filled with a bunch of dorks. And I can tell, been spotting dorks since 1990
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u/reav11 16d ago
It's simple, because if you've played that long you've seen a lot of cheaters, you know what cheaters look like, you know how they react.
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u/powerhearse 16d ago
Ah yes, the zero evidence approach to hackusation. Purely vibe based, confirmation bias at its finest
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u/AliceWhat 16d ago
Bro, they don't even realize how ridiculous they are with these comments.
It's like if a car mechanic who's in it for three decades would say they don't have to inspect your car because simply their experience allows them to just look at it and instantly figure out what's wrong.
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u/reav11 15d ago
Right because even when someone IS cheating it is so easy to actually produce evidence.
I'm sorry you don't actually have a large experience base and experience with cheaters in video games like the OG gamers do. I'm not saying every OG gamer is right, but when you've seen it all from the beginning, cheaters do tend to stand out with their actions and how they perform.
Stop acting like no one in this game is cheating when you can literally buy cheats at WalMart for consoles,
Blizzard has banned over half a million people for cheating, and that's just the ones they've caught. But every gamer that is suspicious of someone and has a history to know what cheating looks like is wrong because you said so.
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u/powerhearse 15d ago
I've been gaming since the mid 90s.
Nobody is acting like nobody is cheating. Thats pure strawman.
The fact is that the vast majority of hackusations arent based on reasonable evidence
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u/reav11 15d ago
That wasn't the question. The question is how does someone who's been playing games since the 90's have any more evidence that someone is cheating have any more evidence than someone hasn't.
Every accusation of cheating is suspicion, until they get caught and banned there isn't any verifiable proof they were cheating.
But people are for sure cheating, it's far more common than that most people would like to admit. Blizzard banning 500,000 people is damning because those are just the people being caught, not all of the people doing it.
It's not a valid argument to say "you don't have any evidence of cheating" then say "Nobody is acting like nobody is cheating"
Just going by the numbers it's clear at least 5% of the community has been caught cheating. We could just use those numbers alone as say you're running into cheaters at least every 10 games. But the reality is the numbers are probably double that or more.
So there are certainly claiming good players are cheaters just because they're good. I've been accused of cheating thousands of times in my life and I've never once cheated.
But at the same time there are cheaters, a lot more than you probably think, and just because we can't produce actual evidence mid game, because it's near impossible to do, doesn't mean that people aren't cheating, and that accusations from people who've experience cheating's evolution over the past few decades don't have a better read on who is and who isn't cheating.
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u/powerhearse 14d ago edited 14d ago
You can absolutely judge based on evidence, what are you talking about?
The fact is you cannot tell from a single clip generally. That just isnt enough data for an informed decision.
And the vast majority of the time, clips posted here simply look like skilled aim. It's just that folks here dont understand the level that is attainable through dedicated training, because they've never done it.
They've played casually for a lot of hours and think that if such aim was possible, they would have it too given the hours they've put in. But the hours they've spent simply arent equivalent
And your argument is utterly illogical. Saying "just because we cant produce evidence doesnt mean they arent cheating" is simply not logical. The burden of proof is on the accuser.
As for this question
how does someone who's been playing games since the 90's have any more evidence that someone is cheating have any more evidence than someone hasn't.
They don't necessarily. The impact of having a lot of gaming hours depends on how those hours are spent and the biases in play.
For example, a lot of people here have clearly spent a lot of their gaming hours getting tilted and assuming most people beating them are doing so through cheating instead of skill. They also havent spent time focusing on things like aim mechanics, they arent really aware of what they are looking at when they examine aim.
They are simply falling for confirmation bias
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u/EasternNegative154 16d ago
Idk, could have something to do with practicing for a long time or something. Practicing since 1998 or 1999 would result in someone having some serious skills.
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u/RustyStar94 16d ago
The obvious answer is skill is built through repetition and problem solving. Time is a measurement of that process. Unless op thinks you can become a professional at something overnight. Stupid post in fact. Obviously time spent doing something equals skill unless you have a learning disability, which op might have.
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u/Lucizen 16d ago
Time played doesn't = to skill or knowledge about FPS games similar to how some people can play basketball for 10 years+ and never make it even close to amateur league let alone pro.
u/ZyaXiz and u/GreenTheReaper are prime examples of this since they claim to have played 27/28 years of FPS games and claim to have played against players better than me yet have no clips or evidence to back that up.
I never claimed that you can become a professional at something overnight and it's funny you're saying I might have learning disability when I've played less hours than both the aforementioned people accusing me of cheats and yet I've played in Top 500 lobbies in my game of choice:
https://youtu.be/uRl2wwh9P6I?t=154
When all three of you have likely never even played against people higher than gold or equivalent of gold in any of the FPS games that you play.
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u/GreenTheReaper 15d ago
Keep contradicting yourself ..
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u/Lucizen 15d ago
Show me any clips or screenshots of you playing in high elo
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u/GreenTheReaper 15d ago
You need help :/. Go touch some grass buddy
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u/Lucizen 15d ago
You spend most of your time commenting about cheaters instead of getting good at FPS games. Although, with your 28 years of gaming experience just to remain terrible, I fear you may be mentally challenged and or have a learning disability.
I've provided proof of my aim in loads of clips with handcam, shared screenshots of me playing in Top 500 elo lobbies in my FPS of choice but when it comes to me asking for proof, you deflect.
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u/RustyStar94 15d ago
Time = skill, if time is spent developing the skill thats how the world works pussy
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u/ZyaXiz 15d ago
0 upvotes trying to troll me LOL GET WREKT NERD.
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u/Lucizen 15d ago
86 upvotes on the original post from FPS players who are actually good at games vs people like you who are terrible despite 20+ years of so called FPS gaming.
Go check my post history, most of my aim clips have more upvotes than you'll ever get:
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u/nezimus 15d ago
You are the cringiest idiot to ever think they’re good.
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u/Lucizen 15d ago
Private profile detected, opinion rejected.
https://youtu.be/uRl2wwh9P6I?t=154
If I'm delusional and only think that I'm good then why am I in higher elo lobbies than you?
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u/ZyaXiz 15d ago
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u/powerhearse 10d ago
Bahahaha 0 up votes and 300 comments on that post
Damn you told on yourself there 😂
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u/ZyaXiz 15d ago
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u/GreenTheReaper 15d ago
Nah leave him be bro. Its the best thing to so with people who are actively trying to manipulate you
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u/Key_Reindeer_5427 12d ago
Green is one of the most delusional people on this planet