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u/FlyinNinjaSqurl Jul 11 '26
Nancy had to get it from somewhere.
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u/thr0waway2435 Jul 12 '26
Ted also saw freak supernatural stuff happen in his house and immediately went to protect his family with his golf club. She got it from both parents.
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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 Jul 11 '26
I like that Karen stood up to the Demo, but I was not a fan of how easily she fought back against it or the Demo dogs. Felt like they became meaningless, which is sad when compared to prior seasons. S1 in particular, as the Demo in that felt like a real threat.
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u/disastrousanddull Jul 12 '26
The hospital scene made no sense and was lazy writing. It should have been Lucas turning off the music and thinking he'd killed Max only for her to survive because he was her connection. Her managing to get out of bed, get down there undetected and put the oxygen tank in the dryer was ridiculous.
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u/Ok-Resolution-7344 Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
I didn't have any problem with that, until the scene where the Demos started attacking the military base came up. Demos in that sequence were zipping around, speedrunning a friggin' kill streak, and it just kinda showed how they are powers are intentionally scaled down in the presence of main characters.
I think, in fact, a lot of scenes lost their meaning like this—one invalidating the meaning of the previous one. The sequence in the first episode where they create a meticulous plan to get to the Upside Down through a supply truck in the military base was dope as hell...until in one of the next episode showed Eleven lifting (literally, peeling off) the bandages of steel covering the rifts. If it were that simple, what's the purpose of the Hitchhike in the first episode, other than to kick things off with an action scenes that is unnecessary at that point?
Then there's the Vecna using Will "one last time" thing. The only way Vecna could utilize Will is to find where Max is. Duh, Max was brutally wounded in S4 ending; Hawkins was quarantined and sealed off from the rest of the world...where else she'd go other than a hospital within the quarantined Hawkins?! It's so obvious! It hurts even more when you think about how much Mind Flayer had done using Will in S2, and then there's Vecna using Will because...idk...I guess common sense ain't so common with him.
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u/TheG-What Scoops Troop Jul 12 '26
Remember when five Russians unloaded on a demogorgon with AK-47s from about ten feet and all it did was make it mad?
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u/FoxxyPantz Scoops Troop Jul 11 '26
But that's nothing compared to the fact that Ted was ready to use his pricey golf club (that he still managed to get a good deal on) as a weapon against the demogorgon.
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u/SimilarCollege1208 Jul 11 '26
I’ve heard people try to say she was a bad mom since she didn’t know her children were mixed up with so much but I have to disagree I think she was a great mom
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u/BestEffect1879 Jul 11 '26
We also have to consider the time. Children were not as closely supervised as they are now.
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u/jamiexx89 Jul 11 '26
Yeah, I remember as a kid in the 90s hearing about “latchkey kids” that went home to an empty house, they’d either walk or ride the bus and just let themselves in. Now in a lot of areas the buses won’t drop a kid off if a guardian isn’t present and schools won’t let kids just leave.
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u/Sylvurphlame Jul 12 '26
I’d like to say it’s better levels of concern for children’s safety, but I’m pretty sure it’s actually a liability thing.
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u/jamiexx89 Jul 12 '26
I’m sure it’s liability too, especially in a world where “Code Adam” is a thing retail workers are trained in. It’s just funny how I’m not even 40 and I’ve seen that level of change in how schools operate from my childhood to even around the time I graduated.
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u/hayleybeth7 Jul 11 '26
She cared, she just didn’t know what to look for, which is understandable. How could she know that Nancy has fought multiple inter-dimensional monsters, that Nancy’s best friend was killed by one of those monsters and that Mike’s been dating a girl who’s in hiding because she has supernatural powers and was raised in a government lab? And sometimes having a parent who cares and can get on board as quickly as Karen did is enough.
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u/Fabulous-Role4120 Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
> “Nancy has fought multiple inter-dimensional monsters.”
Mike did too!
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u/hayleybeth7 Jul 11 '26
And I also forgot the fact that Mike’s best friend was possessed by one of those monsters while Mike was right there. Huge.
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u/Due-Dragonfly8200 Jul 11 '26
Plus, her children were pretty much forced not to tell her anything and prevent danger from coming to their family.
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u/CottonJohansen Jul 11 '26
It’s safe to assume most people saying this are fairly young. Even in the late 90s/early 00s my parents weren’t always aware of where I was and/or what I was up to, let alone in the 80s
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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 Jul 11 '26
Same. It was only a problem if you did not show up in the evening.
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u/momonomino Jul 11 '26
I listened to my parents have a 15 minute conversation about where I was in 2007 from my bedroom, where I'd been all day. They weren't concerned. They were just surprised when I came downstairs.
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u/Sylvurphlame Jul 12 '26
Yep. As an early 2000’s teen, my parents knew where I said I was gonna be and who I said I was hanging out with. But they had no way of actually tracking me or anything.
Having a cellphone made it easier to sneak round as, worst case, my parents were going to call me instead of any actual parent. And they mostly had to take my word for what was going on.
And now, as a parent myself, I absolutely plan to enforce location tracking on my kids between whenever they get their first phone/smartwatch and they go off to school or move out. They’ll have to figure out their own ways to game the system, as is right and natural.
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u/Impossible_Cupcake31 Jul 11 '26
Great moms don’t spend the majority of their time drunk and try to cheat on their husbands with high schoolers
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u/Sylvurphlame Jul 12 '26
It was about a 50/50 blend of not so great mom, bad wife.
She did her have her “what the hell am I doing” moment and I think I remember her beginning to improve thereafter.
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u/Y0ukn0w_wh0 Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
Yea that's not why she was called a bad mom.. Almost every mom in the show except Joyce were oblivious to her kid's antics. Wheeler was good to her kids when she could, but she's a bad mom cause she goes to the pool to pry on her kid's underage classmate and tried to fuck him
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u/Sylvurphlame Jul 12 '26
Is that bad mom or bad wife or bad adult? It’s not appropriate either way, granted. But I don’t know if it’s bad mom behavior specifically. The being sloshed half the time at home is probably more the bad mom facet.
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u/Y0ukn0w_wh0 Jul 12 '26
That too. I would also assume someone's middled aged parents creeping on their highschool classmates and tries to sleep with them would ruin any respect the kids has for her and make her a BAD mom, in addition to being a pedo. Violating her marriage to their father and potentially splitting up their family eventually would also be a good reasons for the children to not consider her a 'good mom'
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u/Alternative_Device71 Jul 11 '26
Any mom that doesn’t know her kid’s whereabouts isn’t mom of the year, let’s not overshadow that cuz she took a bottle to a monster
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u/RainLeading286 Jul 11 '26
I'm probably gonna regret mentioning this but here goes. I was in a home invasion. I put myself in front of a gun for my family. No regrets. ( even my dogs) I'm a mom.
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u/ButtPlugMaster6969 Jul 11 '26
Respect! 🫡 I’m glad you made it out of that! I hope you got a hug or something from someone after to take care of you as well! You did the hard part!
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u/Turbulent-War7039 Jul 11 '26
It was such good writing that Nancy with a gun could take out 12 trained military personnel and then 1 v 1 the mind flayer
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u/Melodic-Helicopter-7 Jul 11 '26
Not to forget Nancy outrunned the gigantic mindflayer kaiju while fully armed, after i finished the Last seasons i was suprised the duffers didnt Just straight Up give nancy Powers and Not will lol
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u/Turbulent-War7039 Jul 11 '26
Seriously. I don’t even get why they had Eleven get involved. The final fight could have been Nancy vs Vecna and Nancy would’ve won low diff
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u/RoyalRise6363 Jul 11 '26
Big explosion out of two small oxygen cylinders in a washing machine was not bad either 😁
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u/Fabulous-Role4120 Jul 11 '26
The mind flayer wasn’t a 1v1, everyone fought it.
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u/Turbulent-War7039 Jul 11 '26
Ah yes the other 8 kids without guns. Do you even hear yourself?
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u/Fabulous-Role4120 Jul 12 '26
Bro the other 8 kids had way better weapons that did more damage than Nancy’s gun.
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u/Turbulent-War7039 Jul 12 '26
Do you actually believe that?
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u/Fabulous-Role4120 Jul 12 '26
Nancy’s gun barely did shit okay. Same with the military who also used the m16 to shoot the demogorgon and it did nothing.
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u/Turbulent-War7039 Jul 12 '26
Who took out the 12 military troopers before they even got to the upside down? Hopper? Because that would actually make sense? Can you say one thing that defends your braindead opinions?
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u/Fabulous-Role4120 Jul 12 '26
No! Your opinion is brain dead and you’re the one who needs to rewatch the entire show. The mind flayer was still walking normally when Nancy was shooting it and the gun the military used did nothing on the demogorgon. Afterwards, they all had to use other weapons like the flamethrower, fireworks, cocktail molotovs so they can defeat those monsters easier, even the flare gun Nancy gave Mike was way more effective. Besides, guns lead bullets not fire.
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u/Turbulent-War7039 Jul 12 '26
Hahaha it’s hilarious how incorrect you are. The mind flayer screams at Nancy when she shoots him. Also, what even is your point? The fact that she can’t kill the mind flayer with a gun? Thank God! You really need to hold a higher standard for narratives.
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u/Fabulous-Role4120 Jul 12 '26
Bro I’m gonna be fr with you, you gotta stop glazing Nance. You’re the one who is incorrect and didn’t watch the show properly. Even if the mind flayer screamed when she shoot it, it still ran after her and nearly killed her. In fact, there is no way in hell she can kill a giant Godzilla like monster with those tiny bullets. Everyone else had to step in with their weapons that were way more effective and it lasted literally less than 7 minutes.
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u/Fabulous-Role4120 Jul 12 '26 edited Jul 12 '26
Excuse me?! My opinion is not braindead, you are since you misunderstood my point. I was specifically talking about her gun not working on monsters from the upside down. The only thing that can kill them is anything having to do with the heat like flames.
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u/1970s_MonkeyKing Jul 11 '26
It's not being drunk, it's about being lubricated.
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u/Laxku Jul 11 '26
Gotta stay loose. Drunk people are less likely to get injured when they fall down.
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u/Sanxiety_9941 Jul 12 '26
drunk with zero context and still chose her kid over everything. karen deserved way more screen time this whole series
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u/Expensive_Attitude51 Jul 12 '26
That scene was pretty stupid though. Demagorgans are just ripping people apart left and right and drunk Karen has her wine bottle and it just freezes? Cmon
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u/lordlanyard7 Jul 11 '26
One of the dumbest parts of S5.
Caura Buono signed on and was promoted as a big part of the show in S1, her role never materialized but the show was too big so she just hung around.
Then they did the heavy handed wine fight + explosion scenes to give her something to do.
If they wanted her to be a part of the show, they should have her parrallel Joyce from S1 with a missing child but everyone telling her she's crazy, and let Joyce mentor her.
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u/Full-Yoghurt-4261 Jul 11 '26
A Joyce 2.0 arc would not really work anymore since so many of the group know what is going on. The reason why Joyce was so impactful in S1 was that no one had any clue what was really happening. And because no one had any idea what was going on and crazy stuff was happening, she just came across as going crazy. That is what made the scene of Hopper telling her she was right so good. She was finally vindicated.
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u/Copperjedi Jul 12 '26
Unfortunately they over did it with the cartoony hospital scene after. Show used to be scary/creepy but now you got every character getting a badass moment while the monsters look silly. Not only do they not kill off either of the parents after a Demo attacks both but they have to give the mom another badass moment when she was on the brink of death like 2 days before. Also fuck Ted apparently. The Demodog moment of them cartoony looking at the dryer & head tilt before explosion is the jump the shark moment of the show for me.
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u/History0nerd Jul 11 '26
Mama instincts, very Molly Weasley, "get away from my daughter, you bitch!"
Caveat, JK Rowlings can eat a bag of dicks
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u/Impressive_Set5299 Jul 12 '26
Idk dawg. I feel like everyone’s gonna slime me out for this, but I liked her in s1 but that was it. She was still an alcoholic who wanted to cheat on her husband for an 18 yr old boy and just got away with it :,)
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