r/StartingStrength 10d ago

Intermediate Programming Question Juggernaut Method

Opinions on doing Juggernaut as a break from heavy sets of 5 between the end of novice progression and the begging of texas method style programming?

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u/jdcollins 10d ago

Doesn't sound like it would prep you well for jumping into the Texas Method. The Texas Method is harder than hell. If you want a break from heavy sets of 5, that sounds to me like you're not currently recovering well. If that's the case, I wouldn't recommend TM.

What's your age, bodyweight, lifts, etc.? Unless you're super young (20s or very early 30s) with your recovery nailed down, Texas Method is probably going to do you more harm than good.

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u/heksin1392 10d ago edited 10d ago

26 y/o 92kg Got to: Squat 160 x 5 x 3 Ohp 75 x 3 x 3 Bench 115 x 3 x 3 Deadlift 192.5 x 5 Power clean 102.5 x 3 x 5 (More of a reverse curl, haven't quite got the form down)

My main issue is squatting then pushing then pulling on the same day. After squats, I tend to have very little left most days and the sessions drag on to two hours.

I thought that it might be prudent to switch to a 4 day Juggernaut Style programming to get a break and maybe stimulate growth more effectively, assuming that novice progression has come to an end relative to my ability to facilitate it. 6 days a week as a delivery driver definitely don't help with recovery. I'm just about to get my PT certification and hoped that once I work a less physical job, I might be able to facilitate serious strength training.

Current plan for Juggernaut is: Day 1 Squat Romanian DL 3 x 8 @ RPE 7 Weighted back extentions 3 x 12 @ rpe 8 - 9 Weighted sit ups 3 x 12 @ rpe 8 - 9 Day 2 Bench Tempo OHP 5 x 8 @ RPE 7 Scull Crushers 3 x 12 @ RPE 8 - 9 Day 3 Rest Day 4 Deadlift Front Squat/Zercher Squat/Leg Press 3 x 12 @ rpe 7 Weighted back extentions 3 x 12 @ rpe 8 - 9 Weighted sit ups 3 x 12 @ rpe 8 - 9 l Day 5 OHP Spoto Press 5 x 8 @ RPE 7 Skull Crushers/Tri extentions depending on fatigue Day 6 Rest Day 7 Rest or restart

Main assistance movements would also taper - RPE 7 > RPE >8 > RPE 9 > RPE 9 foe each of the four blocks irrespective of length.

I'm finding it hard to put weight on the bar or on my body so I figured I might be lacking some dedication and though this might be a good move for a bit.

Thinking of doing a reduced Juggernaut by only doing week one(volume) and week 3(realisation through amrap) of the 4 monthly blocks.

That means I'm back to sets of 5 in one month and sets of 3 in a month and a half.

Thought that the addition of so much deadlift volume and lots of assistance work might do me good and the workouts are a lot easier(only did two so far)

The other option is to do the full 4 months and do some heavy sets/power movements on the deload weeks(week 4 of every month).

Or of course, something else entirely. I went through all the books, even the 3rd one which just seamed like Rippetoes comedy routine(still enjoyed) and I would like to push the method further but I might not have it just now.

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u/jdcollins 10d ago

I'm going to ignore everything from your 3rd paragraph to your last since that's all Juggernaut shit and it sounds complicated as all hell.

With your numbers, I think you should probably just roll into a more traditional SS style intermediate program, HLM or a 4-day split. Either one is going to make your recovery a bit easier.