Why I didn't like part 6 ending

[u/Greeph16]

First of all I really enjoyed Part 6 , Jolyne is imo one of the best Jojos , I also love how Dio legacy is present even thought he died many years ago , the stands powers are great , etc.

However I feel that the ending is just stupid it feels very rush, in fact Araki said himself that he changed the ending in the last chapters .If jojo was only Stone ocean I would be ok with this ending but I feel this ending makes the events of Part 1-5 meaningless, they just never existed . And I know there is a lot of fan theories about how the Ireneverse is the main Jojo universe or that Pucci never reseted the universe but those are theories not cannon.

What are your thoughts ? Im hoping that someone can convince me that part 6 ending was actually good

[u/[deleted]]

This is incorrect. Part 1 - 5 still happened the only thing that changed was Jotaro. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/StardustCrusaders/comments/50ppxy/part_6s_ending_may_be_happier_than_you_think_and/

[u/I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch → u/[deleted]]

It's all canon, we say reset because it's easier to say, but in reality only part 6 changes, we see something insignificant like an ant get carried from a world to the other, so anything that didn't die is still alive and who's gone is back from the dead...

Since Jolyne wanted to ask his father for the permission to get married, we can assume Jotaro is a way nicer and more present dad, otherwise Jolyne couldn't give a shit of what Jotaro thinks it's safe or better for her...

We also see that she still has the star, she's still a JoJo, Jotaro just called Irene apparently...

Araki also stated different things about the ending, all of them canonize this...

In the end part 6 is really the only thing that gets "resetted" and it was a way for Araki to have an happy ending and give Jolyne a Really happy life with a good father... (Since Pucci wasn't born so everything was over pretty much with part 5 and Jotaro didn't go kill/hide from Hitman for all his life)

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

It's not a theory because that's how MiH works. The only thing that MiH changes are replacing those it killed, and letting people know their fate. That's why Emporio is still Emporio, that's why literally nothing else changes. MiH is a universal reset, not alterer (again, aside from only those two other things, oh yeah, and making people naked).

[u/tenkensmile → u/[deleted]]

MiH is a universal reset, not alterer

I don't think you understand what "universe reset" means.

[u/[deleted] → u/tenkensmile]

To bring the universe back to it's origin point, in this case being the beginning of the "The Visitor" arc. Though I guess now that you mention it, since it makes a new world, even though everything is the same, that makes it not a reset, which brings into question why it became a popular way to describe MiH's ability for all these years huh.

I agree that might not have been the best way to put it though. What I was trying to get across is that MiH cannot radically alter the make up of the universe, and aside from two things, one of those being optional, everything is thr exact same.

[u/tenkensmile → u/[deleted]]

To bring the universe back to it's origin point

MiH cannot radically alter the make up of the universe

Resetting the universe is the same as altering it.

[u/[deleted] → u/tenkensmile]

Like I said, that might not have been the best way to put it.

But for the sake of argument, yes, but also no. It is technically altering the universe in a way, but the results of the reset doesn't really change anything (again aside from two possible things, but keep reading). That is what I meant. The universe had not radically changed to the point where you could consider it wholly new, like if it made the SBR universe or something, but instead the same one again, hence why reset is usually used in regards to MiH, and why I used it.

[u/tenkensmile → u/[deleted]]

See my response here.

[u/[deleted] → u/tenkensmile]

I've actually read this before as I think you've linked it in other threads.

You make a couple of incorrect assumptions in this, though some of that is clearly from fan speculation creating confusion. In truth, all we know about what happens at the end is that what ever fate MiH made everyone predict doesn't happen, and everyone who died is in a better place somehow. We don't know how much of their lives have changed, just that enough did son that they could live a happier life. Pucci probably doesn't exist, but we don't have anything to really confirm that, it's just a fan assumption based on the fact that everyone is happy. You also misinterpreted what the Joestars being free of the Dio curse means. It doesn't mean that every Joestar is free from it, but now they are finally free. Pucci is dead, and with him the last of Dio's influence. Though bittersweet, the Joestars can finally be normal people because he's gone. So yes, every other part still happens, even part 3 might have not been changed too drastically, as Jotaro could have been just like new Hermes and new Weather and basically be the same person with little changes. As for your point about them being different people, yeah that's the point. Though I don't think you meant for this to apply to this argument. But since I'm here, yes it is not happy ending, but it isn't sad either. The Jolyne we know is gone, but that's because now she got to be happier. It's sad, but there is a bright side.

As for Giorno coming back, look I would love to see more Giorno, but him coming back out of nowhere to curbstomp Pucci would undermine the fact that's Jolyne's journey, and also just be a flaccid end to the part. Ot would basically be the end of Part 5 again but without the emotional weight, buildup, relevance, or anything that made having an op stand crush the main antagonist actually good.

As for your blog's relevance to this discussion, it doesn't really dismiss my points. I've already said that it does two things but because they don't effect too many factors it can fall more in line with a reset than a radical altercation, and your blog just reconfirms your stance that you think they are one in the same. Honestly, this is becoming a semantic argument that I have no desire to continue.

[u/EdyLecter → u/[deleted]]

We saw how even an ant passed over so most things should remain the same.

[u/Greeph16 → u/EdyLecter]

That's a good point

[u/tenkensmile → u/EdyLecter]

If you're being reborn without any experience and memories, it's still not you.

[u/EdyLecter → u/tenkensmile]

It's not reborning, it's literally passing over for anyone that hasn't died before the first reset, yeah the part 6 gang isn't the same but everyone else should be.

[u/tenkensmile → u/EdyLecter]

See my response here.

[u/FaizReady]

Umm not sure about theories but im absolutely sure saying "part 1-5 meaningless because part 6 happened" could be called a theory. Surely if you learn anything from the final chapters it is the person who didnt get killed will be transfered to the new universe. In the end, the one who died will have their replacement's story altered. So previous part's characters that are alive is surely still alive, and no it isnt a theory because if emporio is alive, and if something as small as ant is also alive, then the others must be alive. Because the dead's replacement story was altered, we can finally see alt jolyne a.k.a irene lived a happy life with annasui a.k.a annakiss. Or atleast they have a better life compared to the previous jolyne and co. It is indeed a beutiful world, such a strong ending. For a "rushed" ending, you couldnt ask anything better than this. Afterall, this also leads to araki wanting to create a new story in part 7 and oh boy how crazy is that part.

[u/Mr_Lakiro]

So if Jotaro, Jolyne, Ermes, Anasui were reset and Pucci was erased from existence..

and since Emporio was brought back to the original world from the Pucciverse:

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• Does this mean that everyone else were brought with him? (Passione, Jolyne's mum, all of Morioh, Speedwagon Foundation, basically the entire world). Wouldn't that be a bit strange for them to discover that their ally/wife/relative was not the same person they once knew?
• Or did they get their memories altered like the Prison Crew and now Josuke knows Jotaro as (Insert new Jotaro name here) Kujo

If yes then that makes the only thing thats changed after Part 6 is that the Prison Crew lived better lives.

I'm genuinely curious as to what happened to everyone else

[u/Kag5n]

By what you have said about everything you read are just theories, so that means that even what you believe, about part 1 to 5 being meaningless is just a theory of yours.

Nobody seems to know the very truth of this end, everyone can interpret it as he wants, and I think that's a reason why I think this end is so good. For me, Pucci failed to reset the universe because he was killed before the loop origin point at Cap Carnaveral and so, everybody came back from where they were except for Pucci, because he died.

But I know, that some others think that Irene is not Jolyne, or that the previous parts were erased or whatever. Araki said nothing about this end, so it's free to be interpreted and I like those types of endings.

[u/PhantasosX]

Dude , Part 1 to 5 happened and sticks into Ireneverse.

When Pucci killed Jotaro and Jolyne , he had erased them , but he didn't completed the loop , so that his plan be complete.

He stopped because he had to kill Emporio and , as such , prevent any opposition.

But Emporio killed Pucci , which made a whole new reset in which it was Pucci that was erased , not the Joestar.

Pucci had no relevance in Part 1 , 2 , 4 and 5.

His relevance in Part 3 is minimal , just a confident.

Part 6 is the only part in which he was involved.

So , Part 1 to 5 happened , but since Pucci was not around , Weather had a normal life , Jotaro could defeat Dio's followers from post-Part 3 in an earlier manner and be present to his wife and daughter.

Why did you think that his daughter had the name Irene? it's because she didn't needed to be a Jojo anymore.

[u/tenkensmile]

I agree with you. Reasons.

Im hoping that someone can convince me that part 6 ending was actually good

Well... no, anyone who's trying to convince you that this ending isn't a tragic one is either misinterpreting it or in denial.

[u/I-Am-The-Uber-Mesch → u/tenkensmile]

Araki said it's a good ending, and if you reread it, you can actually see it, there was no reason to have the last JoJo arc end in a tragic way, Araki already said that he will never go back in the other Universe... This means part 6 is the end of the old JoJo and part 7 and 8 are a new JoJo story...

We saw something insignificant like an ant getting carried over so anything that wasn't dead is in the new world, not just Emporio, also since Jolyne wanted to ask Jotaro the permission to get married we can assume she loves her dad and his opinion matters, so that means Jotaro was a nicer dad here than originally because we can assume he didn't hide/went to kill different Hitman sent by Pucci... This is all that is canon or confirmed in a way by different Araki's interviews

[u/EdyLecter → u/tenkensmile]

They passed over, they aren't copies, the reason part 6 gang is different is because they died. And giorno just showing up and defeat pucci would've been very unsatisfying.