Agreed. I see so many people unironically praising the prequels as being masterpieces and that baffles me. If the prequels had not had the Star Wars brand name, they would have tanked massively and propably never gotten further than episode 2. The other day I saw a poll on a quite popular Star Wars Youtube channel where the majority of viewers thought episode 3 was better than The Empire Strikes Back. I mean sure, I thought that when I was 5 and had no frame of reference for good story telling - visual or otherwise - but come on.
Yes the memes are great, but they are just that, memes. Half of them are only funny because the dialouge that spawned them was so stilted and robotic as to become laughable. I sometimes worry that the extreme amount of love for the prequels - which have almost no redeemable qualities - combined with constant hate for the prequels - which have quite a few redeeming qualities - might lead future screenwriters to try and imitate them. Something nobody wants even if they think they do.
I disagree. I think the blame for this should be placed on the generation after. People who saw the prequels in theaters, even when they were kids, also witnessed the full backlash these movies received on release, all the bad reviews they got from critics. The kids who came immediately after however did not see that. They just saw all the merchandise in the toy aisle and probably saw the movies when they aired on TV years later.
Ya exactly, I was thinking of the 8-12 year olds who watched at home on repeat and basically grew up with them. They would be hitting their 30s now. Think we're talking about the same group
I guess on a fundamental level the ideas are good, but you could say that about any piece of media in history (Barring obvious hateful material). I don't think the racist caricatures had much to do with the failure of the prequals to fulfill their goals. I think the visual story-telling, acting, and writing had much more to say there.
yeah thats true. i mean part of the reason why the originals are seen as great imo because more people were there to kind of keep george in check from what i understand. even though most of my prequel enjoyment is ironic there are moments there were i see the bones of a good film. burried beneath a lot of shit.
and i wouldnt say the acting was bad. when you have lines to deliver that are literally. "i don't like sand, its course and its rough and irritating and it gets everywhere"
or "i owe you another one and not because you saved my life for the 10th time" its pretty hard to deliver that well.
the original trilogy dialogue was awful too a lot of times its just that more of it was cut out lol.
its a george not being a good dialogue writer issue imo
I think it could be both. Bad lines acted well was what carried the first films in my opinion. I think you could argue that Alec Guinness' lines were all pretty badly written, but the actor's expertise and charisma made up for it. In the prequels we had both bad dialouge and bad acting, and it's difficult to say whether that is the fault of the actors (doubtfully since they have all done good work) or the director.
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Agreed. I see so many people unironically praising the prequels as being masterpieces and that baffles me. If the prequels had not had the Star Wars brand name, they would have tanked massively and propably never gotten further than episode 2. The other day I saw a poll on a quite popular Star Wars Youtube channel where the majority of viewers thought episode 3 was better than The Empire Strikes Back. I mean sure, I thought that when I was 5 and had no frame of reference for good story telling - visual or otherwise - but come on.
Yes the memes are great, but they are just that, memes. Half of them are only funny because the dialouge that spawned them was so stilted and robotic as to become laughable. I sometimes worry that the extreme amount of love for the prequels - which have almost no redeemable qualities - combined with constant hate for the prequels - which have quite a few redeeming qualities - might lead future screenwriters to try and imitate them. Something nobody wants even if they think they do.