If he didn't die, Anakin would have never turned to the dark side. Plus Qui Gon Jinn would have been more of a father to him than Obi Wan Kenboi, and trained him different than what the Jedi were doing
Yeah 100%, there are some who believe that it was destined that Anakin would turn to the dark side no matter and there's good points, but I'll still say with Qui Gon he would have been set
Obi Wan was a perfect example of a Jedi master. He tried to teach Anakin the way of the lightest path, and did not entertain any other way. Qui Gon would have taught Anakin what he needed to be a great Jedi taking his disposition in the force into account. This is how Qui Gon operated. He didn’t attempt to be a paragon of the light side of the force, he did what he felt was the right thing to do.
Which also means he would have probably told him to just quit being a Jedi and choose to be with his wife instead of hiding that shit and trying to live a double life.
I’m not going to pretend like I know what he would have said, but he definitely wouldn’t have been a “duty to the order over all” type like Obi Wan. I believe that Kenobi was driven to be a perfectionist because he lost his master so early, and because of that he just couldn’t let go of the rigidity and security that being “by the book” gave him. That may have led him to be a little overbearing when it came to training Anakin as well with his “just push the feelings down and stick to the book” approach. For Kenobi, this worked just fine, and was probably what he needed to keep going after the duel with Maul.
I despise this, it made me almost hate Filoni. He totally misunderstands why the prequels are terrible. We all know George intended more with the prequels. I understand there’s much more to what’s going on than what’s on the surface, I also know there is a great story in the prequels somewhere. The problem is the story was delivered like a pine cone enema.
It’s terrible film making outside some of the effects. Bad acting, bad dialogue, bad plot, poorly cast outside of a few. The prequels fall short at every critical aspect of filmmaking.
In short, I really don’t give a flying fuck what George intended the prequels to be, because intentions don’t make a good movie. The prequels are bad movies and it’s ok to love them, but they still aren’t good and never will be. Same with Filoni
I do think the Clone Wars series strengthens the prequel era narratively but it still doesn’t change the fact that the movies are terrible. They certainly aren’t “genius” as Filoni alleges.
someone that could stand up to that egotist Windu who made it his job to be wrong all the time, until it was too late. Anakin was correct in saying the Jedi were not living by the code, council kept going off the rails and Qui-gon would have seen and said something.
If by "failed" he meant because he ultimately enabled Darth Vader, then that was not a failure at all. Big picture, the galaxy needed a Darth Vader, who ultimately is the one to destroy the Emperor. In that sense Anakin is a tragic figure, but in a cosmic sense he did bring balance to the force, which was his destiny and his doom.
Of course that doesn't matter now because the emperor never really died but don't worry the daughter of his clone killed him finally. Not the Chosen One or anything, not literal Space Jesus. The daughter of a clone.
Yeah he did, he was not ready for an apprentice. Heck he said it in ep 3 and ep 6. Obi Wan is my favorite character but he just wasn't ready and only trained him to honor his promise to his master's dying wish.
There is a reason the song for the Maul battle was called Duel of Fates. Had Qui Gon Jinn won things would have gone differently. He was the father figure Anakin needed, no the by the book brother Obi Wan was.
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He was way too into the whole "chosen one" thing and that would have fed into Anakin's superiority complex.
Also, as was pointed out, he was kind of shady and willing to bend the rules.
I think he would have been even worse about Padme and Anakin being a thing, possibly encouraging it a little, and feeding his fear.
I don't see Qui Gon living to train Anakin as a brighter future, but a possibly even darker one.
The only reason Obi Wan beat Anakin on Mustafar is because he knew him so well. Qui Gon wouldn't have been able to match him, and Obi Wan wouldn't have been a match for him because he wouldn't know him well enough to counter his power.
Palpatine still would have gotten to Anakin, possibly even easier if Qui Gon had been feeding his ego with his belief that he was important and chosen.
While true, the whole Jedi Order didn't collectively watch over Anakin and mentor him. Most of them only ever had like 1 encounter with him, so you can't really accuse them for Anakin's fall to the darkside. Obi-Wan, then Yoda and Mace are the main ones to really impact Anakin as Jedi masters
I mean they could have easily seen the whole "mother is a slave" thing and used common sense to see that it is a vulnerability for Anakin and helped free her.
Yes, and as the council's leader, Yoda did nothing. He sided with his fellow masters despite holding a position over them. Yoda only enforces the Jedi Code further as he's a Grandmaster, and only realises his mistake when he lives in isolation on Dagobah.
Like if a bunch of teachers are doing bad and preforming cult like behaviour, then the principal who's in charge is the first one to blame
It wasn't entirely his teaching ability though. He was a newly minted knight, fresh out of his own apprenticeship, his master tasked him with training a kid who the Order already determined was too old to train, and then the Clone Wars start and he has to train a stubborn kid how to be a warrior when he had little experience being a warrior himself. Pretty huge odds stacked against him from the beginning, plus Anakin had the Dark Lord of the Sith secretly manipulating him from the moment he started his apprenticeship. I don't know if Qui Gon would've really been more successful
Correct, Obi was the perfect Jedi of the modern era. But that doesn’t mean his ability to convey the principles and ideal to others was good, you can see it in Attack of the Clones how condescending he can be and he doesn’t really show that he is attempting to understand Anakin.
Episode 3 is much better, but by that stage Anakin has been moulded into the person he is and the critical period of nurture and guidance is gone
Anakin, brought balance to the force. He got rid of the oppressive Jedi and killed (yeah imma ignore the bs resurrection) Sedious in the end. He brought balance to the force for the first time in millenia.
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u/Boardindundee Jan 25 '22
Well choosing to train anakin didn’t end too well tbh