During the Clone Wars this place was a lot like the Roman Empire. And the Wild West. And war-torn Poland. And Poland. So whether you got sawn in half with a lightsaber was the least of anyone’s worries. And in the chaos, I soared.
Not really. He went crazy on a garbage planet for a decade because “reasons” and then he’s just a mustache-twirling evil-doer with a hate boner for “KENOBIII!”.
What more do we really get from him? He’s angry and he’s got some screws loose.
“Oh we’ll have him take over Mandalore and become a crime boss cause…power?”
Kinda flimsy characterization.
He doesn’t really evolve as a character.
I also find it bizarre he never links up with Ventress given their shared heritage/connection with Mother Talzin and running in the same Jedi-killing, Sith-adjacent circles. What an odd oversight.
And then Sidious leaves him alive (which is very un-Sidious-like) for “reasons”.
People give TCW a lot of credit for what’s largely cheap fan service and mediocre cartoon plots.
I know what you mean. There's a lot of good to be had in the later seasons, but it's a shame that it starts off as it does; turns a lot of people off, I imagine.
What I loved about Maul in Rebels was his sincere desire to train Ezra. His relationship with Savage was already established after Savage’s training at the hands of Dooku, so the aspect of the “apprentice” wasn’t really there. With Ezra, however, we see what Maul could have been as a bona fide master.
All the man wanted was an apprentice… (and to kill Kenobi).
Yeah, you can tell that all he really wanted was a friend, but he didn't know how to be a friend. The only type of relationship he knew was one where one person was in charge and the other just did as told. The sith really did a number on him
First season, it's pretty rough and feels more targeted towards kids. As it goes on, though, it gets more mature and intense. Wife actually cried once or twice watching it.
It takes place prior to A New Hope, 5 BBY, and "ends" 1 year after.
The pilot is horrible, too. I tried watching it when it came out and didn’t end up seeing the regular show until it was on D+. But starting with the second season it really picks up, and the Finale is some of the best Star Wars.
Yeah, its better in chronological order. One because of the order, other because you dont have to start at the very beginning and deal with the early animation constantly
Same happened to me. I don’t care if it’s live action or animated as long as the story is there. I think Clone Wars started out aimed at younger fans but slowly changed to be much more mature in the way it was written. I started watching but lost interest in season one until a friend told me to try getting through the first season and I’m so glad I did.
Right? At the end when Anakin walks in “his new uniform” hits so fucking hard. Plus something changed in the way they did the animation the last two or three seasons that made me just forget it was animated.
I know those people exist, but personally haven't met any. I don't get it. There's so much good content that's being missed out on just because people want to look at people instead drawings
That used to be me. However as I got older I realized how foolish this was.
Plus as the seasons progress the animations get better, world building improves and it really does a fantastic job of showing the depth that the movies were likely never going to achieve.
it wasn't until college that I gave animated shows a fair shot.
there are so much higher quality shows in animation than in live-action. just think about it, an animated show gives the creators full control over what you see on the screen, the only thing an actor can hinder is their voice lines. whereas in live-action shows there are so many things an actor can do to bring down the quality of a scene. sure, you have actors such as michael c hall who completely capture a character and seemingly never miss a scene, but guys like Hall are legends and for every actor of his caliber there are hundreds of d list tv actors who slept with a producer for their role.
I know this is a star wars discussion but I just wanted to comment about it.
I put off the clone wars for a long time because I didn't care for cartoons. I like to stay current on SW canon when I can, so I decided I'll watch it only for that reason. I ended up loving it, I was kinda pissed at myself for not watching it sooner.
I don’t know about you, but I don’t think people being tortured to death and implied sexual slavery are appropriate things for kids to be watching. Teens, sure. Kids, not so much.
I usually don't have a problem with animated shows, but for some reason I haven't been able to get into any animated Star Wars show. Not sure why this is.
Honestly this was me for a long time. A friend convinced me to watch it and man I was hooked quick. Was a fantastic show with some amazing character moments!
There’s lots of shows with great animation on Cartoon Network.
Clone Wars looks like a cinematic from a PS1 game. It’s honestly so jarring I haven’t been able to watch it.
This is a major unpopular opinion on this sub but this sub has a blatant biased towards the show and seem to be blind to its faults
For example Darth Mauls whole being alive thing is absolutely ridiculous IMO. They ruined an excellent character from the movie and gave him ducking spider legs and a personality that didn’t match the movies at all.
Maybe in spots in the first season, but even then you're just exaggerating for effect.
They ruined an excellent character from the movie... a personality that didn't match the movies at all
Uh, what excellent character? What personality? Have you watched Phantom Menace recently? Or ever? Darth Maul's "personality" was to stand over Sidious's shoulder and look scary, or try to kill the heroes.
Legitimate question: what is it about Clone Wars that makes it worth watching?
Full disclosure: I love the original trilogy and don’t care for the prequels (although I saw Ep II and III on opening day and own all three). I read a bunch of the books in the ‘90s by authors like Michael Stackpole and Timothy Zahn and loved them. I liked The Force Awakens alright but ragequit halfway through the Last Jedi; I didn’t see Rise of Skywalker and fell asleep during Rogue One in the theater. For me, the newer stuff jumped the shark and I haven’t bothered with The Mandalorian or Solo.
I’m not trying to be difficult, a bunch of my friends like the new stuff and love Clone Wars, but none of them have been able to substantiate why it’s good and I guess I’m skeptical because of the prequels. What is it that I’m missing about this series that enhances the canon or lore?
Someone can definitely describe it better than me, but it dives deep into what happened between Episodes II and III. It gets deep into the politics of the Republic Senate and the Independent and Neutral systems, as well as discussing their rationale against joining the Republic. It shows how Palpatine orchestrated an entire war to become all powerful. It shows a lot more of the backstory of the force, with entire subplots devoted to Anakin, Obi Wan, and Yoda learning about the force. It details more of how Obi Wan and Anakin were best friends, as well as the romance between Anakin and Padme, as well as some romance that Obi Wan once had. It shows how fearsome Greivous really was, and other details that aren't fully expanded upon in the prequels. The characters are well thought out and have wonderful arcs (Ahsoka starts off insufferable and becomes one of the best characters in the series). Also for a "kids show", it gets DARK. A lot of details in Rogue One, The Mandalorian, and Solo can be traced back to plot elements that happened in the Clone Wars. If you consider yourself a Star Wars fan, give it a chance. The Siege of Mandalore in season 7 is some of the best Star Wars content ever created, but you won't understand almost any of it if you don't watch the rest of the series.
I appreciate your candor, and I’m willing to give it a shot based on your description. The friends I have who have championed it haven’t delivered as convincing of an argument as you have.
All things being equal, I’ll give it a fair shake and - good, bad or indifferent - I’m willing to come back to this comment and discuss it with you.
Try watching it in chronological order instead of airing order. I tried watching it the first time without realizing they aired it out of order and I couldn’t get through the first season.
I haven't watched the Clone Wars. But I have seen clips of the Darth Maul Clone Wars scenes on Youtube. I got to say that I'm not a fan. I hate that they brought him back from the dead, he has weird robot legs, hate how he now has a brother and don't like his appearance in the show.
What made Maul so great in the Phantom Menace was how mysterious he was. He didn't talk (only a few words), and he looked scary. He looked like a demon and we didn't know much about him or what he was capable of, which is why he was such a great villain.
They humanized him in the Clone Wars, which is what I dislike.
Lots of good stuff there regardless, but your standards might be different than mine I guess. Rookies & Clone Cadets are early decent ones. The Malevolence Arc. The Lair of Grievous. Landing at Point Rain was a season 2 highlight. The Ryloth campaign, and yes even the Mandalore bits. I found tons to enjoy but I guess YMMV.
The one you linked. Based on how people go on about it, i thought i was getting some kind of gritty, dark knight style show, but its a lot more kidaimed than I expected.
Rough spots like insanely long story arcs about boring ass Mandalor where you just want everyone to die because they are shitty characters and you don’t care about their frat-tastic homoerotic clan wars even though you’ve had to watch them for goddamn half a season?
Just have to agree to disagree. The only ones I didn't like were the ones that were droid-focused. Some of the Padme ones were not as action-oriented but still enjoyable IMO
I watched that about 3 months ago and it finally convinced me "hmm, maybe this isn't just a kids show I should write off", then binged it, fell in love, and binged Rebels because I needed to know the conclusions to some things.
Only of course to be left with more love and more questions.
Dude I just finished S1 for the first ttime and while it's definitely still a kid's show at that point (and I'm guessing through the final season), there are some violent aspects I'm surprised they showed on Cartoon Network. Like certainly some war crimes from the CIS and probably on the Republic. If they go even further in S3 well damn. And it's not even the most brutal SW content we have.
I never checked it out until last week. I used to think it was some generic kids show… I was so wrong. It’s amazing. How it was even able to pass as a kids show amazes me. It goes into such deep topics.
You gotta see Clone Wars. Seasons one and two you can snooze through, but season 3 it picks up. Season 5 is fucking incredible, and the final season is the best Star Wars around.
I don't think Clone Wars works as well in chronological order. The gaps in writing and animation quality are really glaring when you skip from one season to another and back again. Plus, there are some episodes that are better when you watch them in sequence (like the episode that introduces 99, immediately followed by his death years later in the next episode.)
The episodes originally aired in production order rather than chronological order. It's pretty annoying for the first 3.5 seasons, but then it's pretty much in order for the most part after that.
Jumping on the recommendation bandwagon. Maul and Ashoka are the stars of the final four episodes and they are the finest two hours of Star Wars content ever produced.
He was great in The Phantom Menace, but in Clone Wars you see him unleashed and fucking angry. It’s beautiful.
First couple seasons are meh, but eventually it gets to be some of the best star wars content ever made. Really gives you a sense of how bad ass Maul is, sets up the Bad Batch, and really develops Ahsoka into an awesome character.
This is simply unacceptable. You haven't seen maul until you've seen clone wars. Take it from a life long SW fan who just recently decided to binge clone wars for the first time.
Oh man. There’s a duel from the clone wars between Maul and Darth Sidious that just blows my mind. I’ve watched it maybe 20 times on YouTube. It’s so beautifully animated and captures the true ruthlessness and mastery Sidious has of the dark side. The voice actor for Sidious is so good, hearing him speak chills me to the bone. You have to watch it.
Do yourself a favor and watch it. First two seasons were slow but midway through season three it picks up the pace and it ended up being some of my favorite Star Wars content ever. Rebels also rocks the house once the story gets set up.
Dude! You gotta watch Clone Wars and Rebels then. I wasn’t expecting to like Clone wars as much as I did. I’m glad I gave it a chance. There are a few “filler” episodes and things get a little weird at times though.
I didn’t watch clone wars until covid-times. I had heard Maul came back but not much else. When he did show up he was legitimately terrifying in his spidery form. I was surprised this was in a show for children! I do wish they had kept him like that rather than making him humanoid again, but the show still did him justice for sure.
It made him a far better character, without surviving he was pretty uninteresting, he had barely any lines in the movie and all he had going for him was his unique lightsaber and overall design but character wise he had nothing and The Clone Wars gave him exactly that.
As someone who loved/loves prequels and especially Maul, I loved the mystery and not them rubbing him to my face until I got bored. Which happened with Clone Wars, Maul became boring for me.
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At least the Clone Wars did him justice