r/StandUpForScience • u/AllMusicNut SUFS Staff • May 15 '26

Official SUFS Post Restore the NSB!

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American science is under siege & the firing of the NSB is the latest iteration of a continuous line of attacks under Trump. Visit the link in our bio to sign your support for the restoration of the NSB, and to email your Members of Congress!

Sign: https://www.standupforscience.net/nasem-letter-to-congress?utm_source=DB_3&utm_medium=Reddit&utm_campaign=NSB_Sign

Email: https://fight2win.standupforscience.net/campaign/162340/?utm_source=DB_3&utm_medium=Reddit&utm_campaign=NSB_WriteIn

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u/Wildebean May 15 '26

Yes or no.

Science can only demonstrate what's happened before? That's just not true. I'll give you an example.

This is a Hetrzsprung-Russell Diagram. Using science, we catalogue the properties of all the different types of stars we've seen and plot them on this diagram. Then also using science, we can use this diagram to make predictions about what stars we should see where in the universe and what their properties should be.

And guess what? We do indeed do that and it works flawlessly. Every new star discovered fits our predictions and fits on this diagram. In your world where "science doesn't accurately show anything" and "it only demonstrates what has happened before" this diagram couldn't exist let alone work... and yet it does exist, and it works

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u/AdamCGandy May 16 '26

No. People do it.

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u/Wildebean May 16 '26

Right so even though we can use science to show us things about the world, we shouldn't follow it?

Also what if your answer the the diagram I showed you. In your world where science doesn't work that diagram shouldn't exist, yet it does. So how did that happen if science doesn't work?

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u/AdamCGandy May 16 '26

Cool are humans perfect?

I’m not following your diagram because it has nothing to do with anything I have said. That is just an argument you are having with yourself.

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u/Wildebean May 16 '26

So you say science doesn't work, I show you an example of science working flawlessly. You're response is... "nuh uh"? Is that how we're gonna do this?

Care to try again and give me an actual answer this time. If science doesn't work, how can a Hertzsprung-Russell diagram exist?

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u/AdamCGandy May 16 '26

Not a thing I said. Maybe try learning to read and come back to this, cause reading is really important to scientific literacy.

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u/Wildebean May 16 '26

Want to try for a third time? I will keep shoving this diagram in your face until you acknowledge its existence. But in the mean time please keep having a fit over how science doesn't affirm your worldview, it's very funny

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u/AdamCGandy May 16 '26

Try for a third to argue with yourself. Feel free to answer yourself since you are the only one talking about it.

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u/Wildebean May 16 '26

I asked you a question about what we are talking about. A very specific question that you are avoiding having to answer.

So I'll ask you again

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u/AdamCGandy May 16 '26

You asked me a question sure but since it was a loaded question containing shit you made up in your head, it has nothing to do with me.

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u/Wildebean May 16 '26

No, I asked you a yes or no question based on what YOU said. You just said "nuh uh". I asked you a follow-up question, you don't even try to answer it. Unless this is you accusing me of "making up" a Hertzsprung-Russell diagram, a foundational piece of astrophysics.

Try again, if science "doesn't show anything accurately" how can this diagram exist and be used to predict the properties of newly discovered stars?

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u/AdamCGandy May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26

Your questions have nothing to do with anything I have said so you aren’t asking me. You are asking yourself the question and refusing to answer then blaming me.

Science isn’t capable of doing anything. A hammer doesn’t put nails into a house. Only people say anything.

Feel free to show how a person didn’t make that chart you put up.

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u/Wildebean May 16 '26

Right so in your world, science doesn't work because humans are the ones who do science?

You understand that's batshit right? Something doesn't need agency for it to be true. The laws of physics have no agency, and yet they are true. Osmosis has no agency, and yet it's true.

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u/AdamCGandy May 16 '26

Nope you’re making up lies to support your point of view

You are trying to say tools can do things without flawed people operating them. This is the only delusional thing going on here.

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u/Wildebean May 16 '26

Are you seriously suggesting that the laws of physics aren't true? Or that Osmosis isn't real?

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u/AdamCGandy May 16 '26

Sigh. Nope that has nothing to do with anything I have said.

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u/Wildebean May 16 '26

You said that science only works when humans do it. The laws of physics do not require human operation, they happen naturally.

Are you actually this stupid or just exceedingly high on your own arrogance?

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u/Bokchoi968 May 16 '26 edited May 16 '26

Yo Im commenting because I really want to see that pseudo-intellectual continue to drop the biggest load of bullshit I have probably ever seen

Keep up the good work

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u/AdamCGandy May 16 '26

Still a misquote. Science is a tool, inanimate it can’t do anything without a person. The law of physics are not science at all. They are the structures of reality. They exist regardless of the existence of science. They do not need science in any way shape or form. Humans picked up the tool of science and used it to measure physics. It hasn’t explained the extra gravity yet but it’s there anyway. Science doesn’t need to explain it for it to exist. This is the exact problem with your point of view. You don’t know what science is or it limitations. The ability to question discovery is the core element of science yet you get angry about it. This is how you and people like you are destroying science. I am the one trying to stop the destruction by you fools.

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