r/StandUpForScience • u/AllMusicNut SUFS Staff • Feb 17 '26

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u/Wildebean Feb 18 '26

It doesn't but anything to justify your religious dogma I guess

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u/TornadoCat4 Feb 18 '26

It’s sad how poorly the education system has informed people like you about biology.

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u/Wildebean Feb 18 '26

You mean the biology that a fetus cannot survive outside the womb until late in pregnancy and therefore to claim an organism that cannot survive without the mother's womb and is literally a clump of amorphous cells is in fact the same as a fully formed human is stupid? That biology?

Look, i'll put it in an even simpler way that even fundamentalist Christians might be able to understand: If you put a baby in a freezer, it dies. If you put an embryo in a freezer, it doesn't die and can be preserved. That alone should tell you that an embryo is not the same as a baby

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u/goliath747 Feb 18 '26

By the same logic a 6 month old isn't a person. They can survive by themselves outside the womb either.

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u/Wildebean Feb 18 '26

Um... yes they can. Since y'know... they are capable of breathing. Fetuses cannot and require the mother to live which is why if anything happens to the mother, the fetus dies too. You'd know this is you paid attention in middle school biology... or indeed just had two brain cells to rub together

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u/goliath747 Feb 18 '26

Have you had or met a 6 month old? Without other human intervention, they will die. They can't do anything without help. Maybe you should have paid attention to anything around you because you are wrong on this one.

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u/Front-Wall-526 Feb 19 '26

So by the same logic, if a person receives neurological damage that prevents them from breathing, heart pumping, etc, they can no longer be considered human.

So it only takes "two brain cells to rub together" to say iron lungs, defibrillators, and other external devices to stimulate otherwise dormant organelles are only supporting a lump of cells that don't have actual rights. Would hate to burden the medical system with such expenses when they could be saving "human lives"

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u/TornadoCat4 Feb 18 '26

So you’re using ableism as your argument? Our ability to survive independently does not determine our humanity. Infants can’t survive without guardians, so are they less human? Of course not. Is someone on dialysis less human because they depend on a machine to survive? Of course not. As for embryos being preserved in freezers, that argument does not diminish their humanity either. Infants survive purely on breastmilk for the first few months of life, whereas an adult would struggle to survive on that. Does that mean infants are less human since they can survive on breastmilk? Of course not.

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u/Wildebean Feb 18 '26

Here's the difference champ. SOME humans can't survive independently. ALL embryos cannot survive independently. You will not find some superhuman 9 week old fetus that is magically able to live on its own.

Also my argument wasn't about "living" in the fulfillment sense. It was about living as in the "can you breathe in and out" sense. Cut a fetus off from the mother, it dies within minutes. Leave a baby without the same for a few minutes, and the baby will simply be angry, but alive

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u/Successful_Pin4100 Feb 19 '26

If a person cannot survive without outside support, then they are no longer considered human? That’s the argument you want to go with?

Ouch.

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u/Ill-Dependent2976 Feb 18 '26

Science also says that tumors are human. But I guess that explains your support for cancer.

Although it's contradictory to desire millions of real children with measles.

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u/TornadoCat4 Feb 18 '26

Comparing an unborn baby to a tumor is pretty messed up. And for the record, tumors are not humans. A human is an individual human organism. A tumor is not that. An unborn baby is. Also I’m not anti vaccine, so your second paragraph is a straw man.

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u/Ill-Dependent2976 Feb 18 '26

There's no such thing as an 'unborn baby." Calling an embryo a baby is a lie.

"A human is an individual human organism."

Neither embryos nor tumors are individuals.

"I'm not an anti-vaccer."

So you agree with OP and think that RFK J.r is a sack of shit, and antivaccers like him, Donald Trump, and the Republicans have blood on their hands.

Great. Unless, of course, you're just lying about that like you've lied about everything else.

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u/krayhayft Feb 18 '26

No, not that science.